Logan Custom Guitars Club

[ehren]

Kirn, as I see it, and I am no expert on his guitars, offers more custom options. Binding, traditional high gloss finish ect...There are more options available and you pay for those options. That said, Bob is offering a silly good deal on his custom builds. I don't even know how he does it while still making a profit. Which is better? That is a subjective question as custom builds are all different. I would guess that they are both great and it just depends on what you want. You will be hard pressed to find any custom builder offering guitars at the prices that Bob gives, you just aren't going to see it. The question is, does Bob offer what you want, or do you *need* the features available on a Kirn.

I have a friend that builds guitars for a living out of Nashville. He makes everything from Tele's to custom archtops. His cheapest offerings are around $1600 street and his most expensive stuff approaches $7000. He's building his own necks from scratch, so take that into consideration. When I told him what Bob was offering for the price, he said, "he must be doing it for fun because I would starve at those prices." My point is, Bob is offering a hec of a deal on a really nice tele, and I don't know anywhere you can get the quality for the price. It's all relative to something I suppose, Fender is offering MIM guitars for $950!!! Are they better than a $600 Logan? I think not. As far as the Kirn, I have no doubt they are worth every penny, just as a Logan is worth every penny. You have to think about what you want, and what you are willing to pay for. Does Kirn shape his own necks? This would be a key difference in pricing structure if he is. Hand shaping a neck is an art, and you are going to pay for that. Logan teles come with Lic. necks that are cut on CNC machines. Perfectly fine for me, but if you want something really custom, you're going to pay for it.

For example, look at a Gibson Les Paul. The non-grain filled, mahogany top version with no binding costs around $700. The standard with the flame maple top, binding and high-gloss finish goes for around $2000. I use that as an example because the cheaper model is a great guitar, and the more expensive model is a great guitar. They are priced different because all that fancy finish work takes a lot of time to complete and you pay out the nose for it.

My 30 cents.

[Jazzmasterfan]

Originally Posted by ehren

Kirn, as I see it, and I am no expert on his guitars, offers more custom options. Binding, traditional high gloss finish ect...There are more options available and you pay for those options. That said, Bob is offering a silly good deal on his custom builds. I don't even know how he does it while still making a profit. Which is better? That is a subjective question as custom builds are all different. I would guess that they are both great and it just depends on what you want. You will be hard pressed to find any custom builder offering guitars at the prices that Bob gives, you just aren't going to see it. The question is, does Bob offer what you want, or do you *need* the features available on a Kirn.

I have a friend that builds guitars for a living out of Nashville. He makes everything from Tele's to custom archtops. His cheapest offerings are around $1600 street and his most expensive stuff approaches $7000. He's building his own necks from scratch, so take that into consideration. When I told him what Bob was offering for the price, he said, "he must be doing it for fun because I would starve at those prices." My point is, Bob is offering a hec of a deal on a really nice tele, and I don't know anywhere you can get the quality for the price. It's all relative to something I suppose, Fender is offering MIM guitars for $950!!! Are they better than a $600 Logan? I think not. As far as the Kirn, I have no doubt they are worth every penny, just as a Logan is worth every penny. You have to think about what you want, and what you are willing to pay for. Does Kirn shape his own necks? This would be a key difference in pricing structure if he is. Hand shaping a neck is an art, and you are going to pay for that. Logan teles come with Lic. necks that are cut on CNC machines. Perfectly fine for me, but if you want something really custom, you're going to pay for it.

For example, look at a Gibson Les Paul. The non-grain filled, mahogany top version with no binding costs around $700. The standard with the flame maple top, binding and high-gloss finish goes for around $2000. I use that as an example because the cheaper model is a great guitar, and the more expensive model is a great guitar. They are priced different because all that fancy finish work takes a lot of time to complete and you pay out the nose for it.

My 30 cents.

I've got a quote from Ron to do a tele and I'm just doing the sums. I think I'll go for it but just will have to talk the wife round. I don't want too much...just a nice vintage style tele (I'm open to suggestion re pickups etc), painted like Jim Campilongos (vintage blonde etc), light(ish) in weight (I've got a bad back) and the crucial thing for me is a soft v neck like my baja. I think Ron is one of the best (going by comments on here and pics etc) but realise that there are others that will do a good job...just thought I'd ask about Logan...and one of the main reasons I ask is because I can't believe how cheap Logan's guitars are especially bearing in mind the good feedback he gets on here.

[krauser2]

thats a justifiable reason too

Mr Logan has got me biting at the chops for something, but Mr Kirn has some great things too, but I unfortunately I don't have the money to indulge in one.

Logan is right where I would price my guitar, I think they both do great work at their price points.

I would like to see MR. Logan pop out higher end models, just to see how they compare...hmmm not a bad idea Mr. Krause (yes that was third person)

[littlewing6283]

i have seen Ron's guitars and they seem great. he seems great to deal with and is very helpful on this board. if my financial situation was better and i had more expendable cash I would also order a Kirn in addition to my Logan right away. My T-style guitars get lonely :)

he has posted up some very informative build threads. quality also seems to be top notch

maybe in the future sometime Ron can make me an Orange T-style w/ white binding and a rosewood neck.

in the meantime i keep salivating over pics of my pink logan.

[LGOberean]

My son played my Thinline for the first time today. He had a Highway One for a while, but is currently without a Tele at this time. He liked the satin finish of his Hwy1, so he really admired the finish and the feel of my Logan “Logo” Tele, and just really got into playing different things on her. He ultimately said “That’s a real nice guitar for the money, maybe better than my Hwy1.”

And just to remind you of what my Thinline looks like (it’s been a couple of weeks since I posted her pics here)…

[littlewing6283]

always good seeing that larry

how heavy is she ?

[LGOberean]

You know, I haven't weighed her yet. Compared to my mahogany (9 lbs. 2 oz.) she's light as a feather. I'd guess around 6 lbs, but I could be off. To get an accurate weight, I need to borrow Beth's scales. (I've said this before, but she's a midwife, and has great scales for weighing babies...and guitars! )

[LGOberean]

Well, I called it. It’s taking my son-in-law Chris a while to join the TDPRI and post in our club/thread. He offered for me to post for him and attach pics, and I said to him last Sunday that I would wait for him and not steal too much of his thunder.

But since I’ve been waiting all week, I’m going to go ahead and take him up on his offer to post some pics. (Chris, if you wind up getting on here today, I apologize in advance for stealing your thunder, but I just couldn’t wait anymore. I know how busy even your weekends are, and so I’ve gone on ahead.)

Okay, caveats and apologies to my son-in-law aside, without further ado, here are the pics.

First of all, pics from Bob of Chris’ Logan “Logo” Thinline, Red Coral finish on Elm veneers front and back.




Next, me holding Chris’ Thinline.


And last, but certainly not least, Chris w/ his Thinline. And a happy camper he is, too!

[LGOberean]

More pics of Chris’ new Logan “Logo” Thinline.

These pics were taken in our living room, BTW. Sorry this one’s kinda dark.


Another back shot, with me standing beside her. In the background by our hearth, you can see (from left to right) my Breedlove AD25SM acoustic/electric (partially obscured by me), my mahogany solid body in the center (slightly obscured by Chris’ Tele in the foreground) and my “Honey Blonde,” my own Logan “Logo” Thinline (slightly obscured by my mic stand).


BTW, I always have my gear set up in our living room, much to Beth's chagrin. But hey, to me, that's good living room decor!

[51Nocast]

I have a Logan and it is a great Tele. I have no complaints. It is a tool and a fine one. I also own a Fender Nocaster and there is a big difference between the two in many ways. The is no doubt in my mind why the used Nocaster cost me twice what the new Logan cost me. To me it is like comparing a Lexus with a Chevy Impala. Now the funny thing is some of us might be more at home with a Chevy Impala than a Lexus. Again I've owned both so I speak from my own experience. This is not a knock against my Logan, I love it and it is a great value for the money spent. I won't speak of Kirn because I've never touched one and unless you have I don't think you should speak of it either. If the Kirn is on par with a Nocaster it is a very very high quality instrument.
Again I love my Logan and it is exactly what I hoped it would be. I feel at home with it and comfortable but when I pick up the Nocaster there is no doubt which one is the Lexus. It would be silly for me to try to tell you the Logan is comparable to the Nocaster. It's not. When I spent $700.00 on the Logan sight unseen on a whim, I was very nervous. In the end it couldn't have worked out better. He is a very nice person and does very good work. I can't imagine anyone building a Tele and selling it for that kind money and having it turn out any better. That's the biggest compliment I can give it.

And I may sell the Nocaster to buy another amp. It may be that I'm just an Impala guy and that's where I feel comfortable.

[Foamfoot]

Hey fellas - Brand new here. Bob Logan told me about this place - very cool!

I happened to play one of his customs in a music store and fell in love with it. I was thrilled he lives a 1/2 hour from me, drove out to his shop and, a few weeks later, ended up with my 1st Logan.

I hope you dig it! - it's good to be here...

The specs:
- 2009 Logan Custom
- "Natural" Northern Ash
- Ebony Fretboard with Abalone Pearl Inlays (nice!) and 22 Jumbo Frets
- "Birdseye" Maple Neck with Vintage Amber tint
- Seymour Duncan 'Hot-Rail' bridge pup
- Fender Standard Deluxe (American) neck pup
- Wilkinson Bridge
- Kluson Tuners
- 3-way switch

This thing just smokes... fat, warm and defined. The SD pup is HOT and the sustain lasts longer than any guitar I own.

What's cool about Bob is that he isn't some woodworker who happens to know how to build guitars - the dude flat out knows tones, pups, etc... and can help you figure what to have made, if you need advice.

[libirm]

sweet!

[LGOberean]

Originally Posted by Foamfoot

Hey fellas - Brand new here. Bob Logan told me about this place - very cool!

I happened to play one of his customs in a music store and fell in love with it. I was thrilled he lives a 1/2 hour from me, drove out to his shop and, a few weeks later, ended up with my 1st Logan.

I hope you dig it! - it's good to be here...

The specs:
- 2009 Logan Custom
- "Natural" Northern Ash
- Ebony Fretboard with Abalone Pearl Inlays (nice!) and 22 Jumbo Frets
- "Birdseye" Maple Neck with Vintage Amber tint
- Seymour Duncan 'Hot-Rail' bridge pup
- Fender Standard Deluxe (American) neck pup
- Wilkinson Bridge
- Kluson Tuners
- 3-way switch

This thing just smokes... fat, warm and defined. The SD pup is HOT and the sustain lasts longer than any guitar I own.

What's cool about Bob is that he isn't some woodworker who happens to know how to build guitars - the dude flat out knows tones, pups, etc... and can help you figure what to have made, if you need advice.

Sweet, indeed, libirm. That is one gorgeous guitar, Foamfoot, congrats! Thanks for posting here and sharing specs and pics. And welcome to the TDPRI and this club/thread.

[zoobear]

Wow! I just read 17 pages of post regarding Logan Teles & I don't even OWN a Logan Tele. I had never even seen a Logan Tele. After seeing some examples of His work and listening to you guys tell how great He is to work with I may have to try one out!
Thanks for a great thread, I've enjoyed it.

P.S.
Im telling my wife that Larry talked me into it! LOL

[LGOberean]

Originally Posted by zoobear

Wow! I just read 17 pages of post regarding Logan Teles & I don't even OWN a Logan Tele. I had never even seen a Logan Tele. After seeing some examples of His work and listening to you guys tell how great He is to work with I may have to try one out!
Thanks for a great thread, I've enjoyed it.

P.S.
Im telling my wife that Larry talked me into it! LOL

“Wow” is right! You “just read 17 pages,” as in just now, tonight, in one sitting? Man, I don’t know whether to attribute that to determination, dedication, obsession or boredom!

You’re very welcome for this thread, glad you enjoyed it. Obviously, there are a bunch of us here who think checking out Bob’s guitars is a good move.

Zoobear, I think you just gave a lot of guys an excuse…er, ah, I mean, a rationale to give to their spouses. I guess I’ll have to start looking over my shoulder for signs of irate “Logan widows”! I guess I can handle that. Just be sure and get word to me if you hear of any contracts being taken out on my life!

[Foamfoot]

Originally Posted by zoobear

Wow! I just read 17 pages of post regarding Logan Teles & I don't even OWN a Logan Tele. I had never even seen a Logan Tele. After seeing some examples of His work and listening to you guys tell how great He is to work with I may have to try one out!
Thanks for a great thread, I've enjoyed it.

P.S.
Im telling my wife that Larry talked me into it! LOL

Yeah - I was surprised how much I liked them, as I've never been a huge Tele guy (ironic I'm here?... )... I own a MIJ Tele that has collected dust over the years, and is used only for recording... but the Logan is now #1 for me.

Didn't see that coming.

[Tonemonkey]

Originally Posted by LGOberean

But in telling me that I should not speak of Kirn's guitars unless I’ve touched one of them, you overlooked my previous statement:

No, I was expressing my opinion and resolve not to consider his work based on price range *and* personal observations about the man. Please read a little more carefully before issuing your "reality checks."

Point One, fair enough, if previously qualified, as you did.

Point Two, doesn't read well, or reflect well on this thread. These are no longer "personal observations". These are now public observations, implying unevidenced character defects which, if made against me I would demand retraction or clarification.

Here's hoping I've misunderstood. But if I have, others are likely to, aswell. Please reflect on the post.

Kind Regards.

[LGOberean]

After posting early Saturday (see #647 above) about my son playing my Thinline for the first time, Chis (littlewing6283) asked me (#648) how much my Thinline weighed. At the time, I had to reply (#649), "You know, I haven't weighed her yet." I had been putting off weighing her until I could do so on my midwife wife's scales. My solid body mahogany weighs 9 lbs. 2 oz. on those scales, which are quite accurate, and I wanted to use the same scales to weigh my Thin.

Well, this morning I finally did it; I weighed my Thinline. And the winning number is...6 lbs. 12 oz. I had guessed "around 6 lbs," so I wasn't too far off.

I'm not sure how that compares with other Thinlines (whether Logans or other brands). Anyone else care to "weigh in" on this? (Sorry, couldn't resist the pun.)

[buzzy46]

Wow! I have been away for a few days, and I see that there has been many posts; and a interesting exchange of ideas. I really don't understand all this comparisons of various guitars. I never have. Is this one better than that one? Who cares?

I have a lot of guitars, and I can say without fear of successful contradiction that at various times I select this one or that one as my favorite, only to change my mind as I go along. I think that is because I enjoy each and every one of them. I have some instruments that are much more expensive than my Logan, believe me. I can honestly say that I have spent more time with that guitar in my hands than any of the others since it arrived. Why would that be if the guitar is built from parts that are easy to acquire (except for that body) and not all that expensive? I think it is because after Bob Logan completes the build, there is something woven into the fabric of the guitar that the "Big Boys" just can't do; the fit and finish has been personally gone over by the guy that built it from the bench up, so to speak. That is why that little guitar feels so good in your hands; because Bob Logan sets the instrument up before he sends it your way. It isn't done when it comes off the line, because there isn't any line. It is done when it feels done to him. That is only achievable in a custom build, and parts become secondary. Would it feel any better with a custom neck? I don't think so, because the one that is on my guitar is one of the best in my herd. As an aside, I love that none of my friend had ever heard of the make of guitar, but I love to gauge their reactions when that Logan starts to talk through my old, beat up Band Master. They sound like they were made for each other. Price paid is not going to change that, and that may be the best part of the whole Logan experience. It feels like a million to me.

[TDPRI]

If this is the "Logan Custom Guitars Club" then this is the place to discuss LOGAN GUITARS. It is not the place to put down other guitar builders OR the place to SELL Logan Guitars.

Please do not abuse this priviledge to have your own separate thread to talk about your guitars.

OK?

FYI, we're getting complaints from other builders and regular members wondering about all the Logan "Selling" that's going on here. I realize that there is a lot of enthusiasm but please, don't make this an "infomercial" or the "club" will become a problem.

[ehren]

I hope my posts weren't taken as a knock on any other builders; they were not meant to be. I value each and every independent craftsman that posts on this website and my love for my new Logan is not meant to be a sales pitch or a put down to anyone else

Anyway, I for one am not a part of any grand conspiracy to help Bob Logan, simply a satisfied customer. I thought that talking guitars was what this place was all about? Seems to me, were just talking guitars here. Oh well. I for one will not make any posts mentioning Logan and any other custom builder in the same breath

[littlewing6283]

Originally Posted by ehren

I hope my posts weren't taken as a knock on any other builders; they were not meant to be. I value each and every independent craftsman that posts on this website and my love for my new Logan is not meant to be a sales pitch or a put down to anyone else

Anyway, I for one am not a part of any grand conspiracy to help Bob Logan, simply a satisfied customer. I thought that talking guitars was what this place was all about? Seems to me, were just talking guitars here. Oh well. I for one will not make any posts mentioning Logan and any other custom builder in the same breath

i too hope i didnt step on any toes' or knock any other builders. that was not my intention. I respect all the other builders that post on here and like the guitars they produce. I do not mean for my posts to be sales pitches b/c that is not my intention. I like my Logan just like I like my CV Tele and RoadWorn Tele.

[eyerish]

Originally Posted by ehren

I hope my posts weren't taken as a knock on any other builders; they were not meant to be. I value each and every independent craftsman that posts on this website and my love for my new Logan is not meant to be a sales pitch or a put down to anyone else

Anyway, I for one am not a part of any grand conspiracy to help Bob Logan, simply a satisfied customer. I thought that talking guitars was what this place was all about? Seems to me, were just talking guitars here. Oh well. I for one will not make any posts mentioning Logan and any other custom builder in the same breath:neutral

If this is the "Logan Custom Guitars Club" then this is the place to discuss LOGAN GUITARS. It is not the place to put down other guitar builders OR the place to SELL Logan Guitars.

Please do not abuse this priviledge to have your own separate thread to talk about your guitars.

OK?

FYI, we're getting complaints from other builders and regular members wondering about all the Logan "Selling" that's going on here. I realize that there is a lot of enthusiasm but please, don't make this an "infomercial" or the "club" will become a problem.
:

Its a shame but if thats what the administrator wants .
I wont post with "BRAND" names anymore. If I bother to post at all,it will be "GENERIC" seeing as how the"other builders" feel slighted.

I would hate to talk about a Logan Tele in the Logan tele thread. How horrible of us to feel that it was appropriate to post our appreciation of a specific brand of guitar in the thread that was devoted to that brand. Boy aren't we silly.

Well fear not stalwart administrator. I will not stray again. Any posts will be so vague that you will be unable to tell whether I am talking about a guitar or a rusty old soup can. I hope that will make the"other builders" feel a little more loved. Of course they will have to assume the love,because if we mention a love for a specific Brand or builder,all of a sudden we become Ron Popeel and are conducting info-mercials.

Please except my apology for expressing myself and my satisfaction with a specific "make" of telecaster type guitar. I will promptly go and have my head examined.

We should have known that as we were enjoying ourselves and the joyous fellowship and camaraderie of our shared interest. The "other builders" would decide to shed their toxic tears on us.

I also wonder why "regular members" would have a problem with our appreciation of a specific builder. I guess that means because we like a specific make of guitar we are NOT regular members then.

Beware all you lovers of "*ende*'s,or *&*'s or *ibso*'s and what not.If you try to express your joy in those or others,The "regular members" and "other builders" will get you.

[TDPRI]

I removed about 6 posts and did some post editing to remove negative comments about another builder. That's all.

As I said, I know you guys are enthusiastic. Talking about your guitars is GREAT! That's what we're here for.

[eyerish]

Hi guys just want to share my love of ??????? . Any of you folks ever had a ???? What do you think about it? I for one usually play my ????? but then I found this ????? and man it is great. so post those ???? and lets share

[TeleGasser]

Well, back to our original topic of discussion. Here are a couple pics of the Logan I recently rescued from eBay. It is not perfect, but it cleaned up real nice.

I hope you guys enjoy them.



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[LGOberean]

Originally Posted by TeleGasser

Well, back to our original topic of discussion. Here are a couple pics of the Logan I recently rescued from eBay. It is not perfect, but it cleaned up real nice.

I hope you guys enjoy them.



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Well, TeleGasser, it was worth the wait. That is a really fine looking finish on that Logan. Things tend to look a bit dark to me on my old monitor, but that looks to me like a burgundy wine colored sunburst. She looks clean as a whistle, just brand spanking new to me, so congrats on a good eBay purchase.

I like it. I like the 2T burst body, the 3-ply W/B/W pickguard and the maple board. I prefer a vintage style bridge with three saddles, but then you said the same thing, didn’t you? Anyway, congrats again.

[TDPRI]

Originally Posted by eyerish

Its a shame but if thats what the administrator wants . I wont post with "BRAND" names anymore. If I bother to post at all,it will be "GENERIC" seeing as how the"other builders" feel slighted.

I guess you are trying to totally miss the point on purpose?? Or... what? Excuse me if I speak a bit muffled, with all these words being put in my mouth that I didn't say.

[littlewing6283]

Originally Posted by TeleGasser

Well, back to our original topic of discussion. Here are a couple pics of the Logan I recently rescued from eBay. It is not perfect, but it cleaned up real nice.

I hope you guys enjoy them.



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good score telegasser. a couple things jump out at me. I wonder when this was made ? looks great but thats the first logan that ive seen w/ a non vintage type style bridge. but I guess hes a custom builder so there really is no "normal"

anyways, are the pickups wilkinsons on them ?

[LGOberean]

There are two issues involved in the events that have occurred in recent days. One involves the allegations that Logan owners and this “Logan Custom Guitars Club” thread are “selling” Logan guitars. I will address that concern a little later on.

But first, I want to address the other issue involved, that of my making derogatory allusions to another member of this list.

I want to publicly apologize for specific comments in posts I made yesterday (it is now past midnight as I write this). Those posts are now deleted, and I will not repeat the statements here, lest that be misconstrued as a back door attempt to revisit the specific references.

I had (and still have) specific complaints against a certain member of this list, but instead of airing that in a post that mentioned his name, I should have taken up my grievance privately with Paul. So I apologize to Paul for the way I’ve handled this, and I apologize to my fellow Logan owners, to participants in this thread and to the TDPRI forum.

One more thing. Chris (Tonemonkey), I apologize specifically to you, and I thank you for trying to get through to me. I was so focused on the public nature of the violations about which I wanted to complain that I did not see my own statements in their true light.

[LGOberean]

Originally Posted by littlewing6283

good score telegasser. a couple things jump out at me. I wonder when this was made ? looks great but thats the first logan that ive seen w/ a non vintage type style bridge. but I guess hes a custom builder so there really is no "normal"

anyways, are the pickups wilkinsons on them ?

Chris, as you said, since Bob does custom jobs for people, "Normal" doesn't always apply. We have a saying around our house: "Normal" is just a setting on the clothes dryer.

That said, I believe I have seen some Logans that had a modern bridge with six individual saddles. I can't quite remember now just where, whether on his site or on eBay, but I have a recollection of seeing them. Furthermore, I know for a fact that when I was communicating with Bob about my mahogany solid body, he offered me my choice of bridges. I ordered my mahogany early in the month of July of 2008, so that was nearly a year ago. I don't know if that says anything definitive about Bob's use of certain bridges; I just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents here.

[Tonemonkey]

Originally Posted by LGOberean

But first, I want to address the other issue involved, that of my making derogatory allusions to another member of this list.

I want to publicly apologize for specific comments in posts I made yesterday (it is now past midnight as I write this). Those posts are now deleted, and I will not repeat the statements here, lest that be misconstrued as a back door attempt to revisit the specific references.

One more thing. Chris (Tonemonkey), I apologize specifically to you, and I thank you for trying to get through to me. I was so focused on the public nature of the violations about which I wanted to complain that I did not see my own statements in their true light.

Larry,

I thought it might have gotten past you somehow. I considered it out of character, and tried to "put up warning flags". I don't require or deserve an apology, but it is magnanimous, nonetheless. Thanks.

I would appreciate it if Paul (TDPRI) would delete the quote within my warning at post # 657 as this is the last reference to the content at issue. Let's consider this a road bump in an otherwise successful thread.

Regards

[LGOberean]

If this is the "Logan Custom Guitars Club" then this is the place to discuss LOGAN GUITARS. It is not the place to put down other guitar builders OR the place to SELL Logan Guitars.

Please do not abuse this priviledge to have your own separate thread to talk about your guitars.

OK?

FYI, we're getting complaints from other builders and regular members wondering about all the Logan "Selling" that's going on here. I realize that there is a lot of enthusiasm but please, don't make this an "infomercial" or the "club" will become a problem.
TDPRI (Paul Green)

I guess you are trying to totally miss the point on purpose?? Or... what? Excuse me if I speak a bit muffled, with all these words being put in my mouth that I didn't say.
TDPRI (Paul Green)

Well, Paul, if may address a point you did make, and in terms you did use, one man’s “enthusiasm” is another man’s “infomercial.” I mean that statement seriously, as a succinct statement of logic, not a mere flippant comeback.

You see, the accusation of “selling,” of creating a 600+ post “infomercial” is at this point in the game a matter of interpretation. The TDPRI has no list parameters delineating for us just where the enthusiasm of non-commercial members crosses the line and becomes “selling.” I have read the list rules in the “sticky” threads you provide, and they do not cover this. The words “enthusiasm” and “infomercial” do not even occur in the rules, and while “selling” does, it is used of commercial members and members selling CDs and DVDs of their own music. If you are going to censure us Logan owners for our exuberance, and warn us not to cross the line from “enthusiasm” over into the realm of “selling” or creating an “infomercial,” then don’t you think you should tell us where that line is?

I suppose you or some “other builders and regular members” might say in reply to my question, “It’s clear where the line is; just use common sense.” But I would challenge that argument. It is not clear, as evidenced by the immediate responses of several members in wondering if their words were so construed as crossing the line. We have genuinely and sincerely in our club thread spoken praise for our custom instruments, and have been genuinely excited and have expressed compliments to one another on our acquisitions and compliments to Bob for his work and his professionalism. And as things stand now—without clear delineation as to what constitutes an infraction—we have to think twice about every statement, wondering if or when the axe will fall.

And I submit to you that all the glowing praise, joyous excitement and complimentary statements about Bob and his work that have been made in this thread have also been said in this forum by other TDPRIers about the custom guitars of their choice, whether FMIC’s Custom Shop, RK, Rice, etc., etc.

And I do not begrudge them their exuberance, their glowing terms, their gushing, over-the-top compliments of the custom builder in question. All I ask for is that this thread be judged by the same standard, that the rules equally and fairly apply to all.

One more thing. You referred to eyerish putting words in your mouth, but on at least one point he quoted your words correctly.

FYI, we're getting complaints from other builders and regular members wondering about all the Logan "Selling" that's going on here. [Emphasis mine.]

I do not want to believe that your “regular members” reference was an intentional slam or a Freudian slip, that you think of Logan-owning TDPRI members as “irregular members,” as it were, as some sort of second-class citizens. I don’t want to think you meant that, but the words sure can be construed that way.

I choose to believe that it was just a poor choice of words hastily written, but I believe you see how they can be offensive. If I understood what you meant by that reference correctly, you were using the words “regular members” in contradistinction to the “builders,” or to rephrase your statement, “…from other commercial members and non-commercial members…” Have I understood you correctly, and if so, would you just please clear this up so as not to give an unintentional offense?

[Tim Armstrong]

Larry, I read "regular members" in that sentence as being members who aren't builders.

Tim

[pcypert]

Everyone take a breath and go play your guitars. Nothing was meant and everyone seems to want to jump on someone else. As someone who is new to the forum and has read way more about Tele's than I should have over the past couple weeks in this thread, others, and more... people are taking this stuff way too seriously.

How about this, anytime someone wants to post they need to go play their guitars for 15-30 minutes first...how much better we'd all be (at playing) :D

If a guitar is good it's good. You can say it once and move on to playing it. I see this all the time in photo forums...people want to justify their purchases...someone posts something contrary to what they bought and then they need to justify the money they spent...if you're happy be happy and let others be too. That goes on both sides LOL

Paul

[LGOberean]

Larry, I read "regular members" in that sentence as being members who aren't builders.
Tim

Well, Tim, my first read of that sentence was more in line with eyerish’s take on it, but that impression just made me read it again. I thought, “That can’t be an intentional, outright slam. It has to be either a Freudian slip or an unintentional double entendre.”

So I read it a couple of times more and came to the same conclusion as you, as I said before: “regular members” in contradistinction to the “builders.”

[TDPRI]

I don't know how you folks took "regular members" to be something other than "non-builders" as that's what I said. I had complaints from builders and from regular members. I didn't say, I had complaints from builders and some of the regular members that don't own Logan guitars and post in this thread.

I see this often in moderating a large forum -- it's like I'm the Principal of a school and any little thing I say gets bent out of all proportion by the students. Pretty soon people are sure I'm saying all kinds of things that I'm not saying.

As for selling... when folks see one member talking at great length (hundreds of posts) about one person's products it puts doubts in their mind to their objectivity. Perception - right or wrong - is a powerful thing.

I hope this clears up some of these misconceptions and I'm sorry for any confusion from my wording.

[TeleGasser]

Originally Posted by littlewing6283

good score telegasser. a couple things jump out at me. I wonder when this was made ? looks great but thats the first logan that ive seen w/ a non vintage type style bridge. but I guess hes a custom builder so there really is no "normal"

anyways, are the pickups wilkinsons on them ?

Hi,

Thanks for you kind words. LGOberean, sorry you can't really see the pics, I guess I should have made them a bit less dark.

According to its previous owner it was bought less than one year ago from Bob through eBay.

Yes, I believe those are Wilkinsons. I will eventually get something "different" so its sounds nothing like my other Tele. To me, there is little point in having two of the same. For now, it is just fine. I am not a good enough player to be limited by the sound of the pickups. :) I dont think I'll ever be...

Since I already have a tele with a modern bridge with 6 saddles, I have ordered a Callaham modern bridge with 3 compensated saddles. Way expensive, but pretty much the only choice that I knew of that would allow a painless conversion.

Regards,

[eyerish]

Originally Posted by TeleGasser

Hi,

Thanks for you kind words. LGOberean, sorry you can't really see the pics, I guess I should have made them a bit less dark.

According to its previous owner it was bought less than one year ago from Bob through eBay.

Yes, I believe those are Wilkinsons. I will eventually get something "different" so its sounds nothing like my other Tele. To me, there is little point in having two of the same. For now, it is just fine. I am not a good enough player to be limited by the sound of the pickups. :) I dont think I'll ever be...

Since I already have a tele with a modern bridge with 6 saddles, I have ordered a Callaham modern bridge with 3 compensated saddles. Way expensive, but pretty much the only choice that I knew of that would allow a painless conversion.

Regards,

I can't wait to see the changes. I think(my personal opinion) that the item in your pictures is a great looker and you got a great score with that one.

[LGOberean]

Originally Posted by TeleGasser

Hi,

Thanks for you kind words. LGOberean, sorry you can't really see the pics, I guess I should have made them a bit less dark.

According to its previous owner it was bought less than one year ago from Bob through eBay.

Yes, I believe those are Wilkinsons. I will eventually get something "different" so its sounds nothing like my other Tele. To me, there is little point in having two of the same. For now, it is just fine. I am not a good enough player to be limited by the sound of the pickups. :) I dont think I'll ever be...

Since I already have a tele with a modern bridge with 6 saddles, I have ordered a Callaham modern bridge with 3 compensated saddles. Way expensive, but pretty much the only choice that I knew of that would allow a painless conversion.

Regards,

TeleGasser, the problem of perception lies with me, not you. Your photographs are not too dark. In fact, I meant to compliment your photography in my previous reply to your post, but forgot to do so. They are great pics of a beautiful Tele.

My perception of colors and especially of details and contrasts is inhibited by an old hand-me-down monitor from a previous desktop setup. I've had my current computer setup for about 6 years, so the monitor is indeed old.

Whenever I need to distinguish details in a pic, I forward things to my wife and then view it on her newer Dell 19" widescreen monitor. And that is what I did with your pics. So I got a good look, and like I said, good photography, beautiful guitar.

And I can relate, BTW, with the idea of not having two Teles the same. I get a different look, feel and sound from my two, one a solid body mahogany with a P-90 neck pup, and the other a Thinline with Alder veneers and the vintage style "lipstick" neck pup.