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Old February 5th, 2009, 01:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Post Editing Policy Changed

I have changed the policy governing the editing of posts. Previously, you could edit a post at any time without limit. However, due to certain circumstances I've had to revise this and now posts may only be edited for 24 hours.

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Old February 5th, 2009, 02:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I can see why. Some people are cleaning out their closet ...
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Old March 9th, 2009, 08:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hi TDPRI...I have changed my web page that I host my dxf and dwg files on. I need to edit my "53 cnc build" thread and my "cnc broadcaster..and then some" thread so the files will be available to members. Is this possible? or should I add a page at the end with the new files?
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Old March 9th, 2009, 10:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old March 10th, 2009, 12:47 AM   #5 (permalink)
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or should I add a page at the end with the new files? ED
Yes, that sounds best.
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Old April 2nd, 2009, 11:27 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I can see why. Some people are cleaning out their closet ...
If you guys don't mind me asking, what's wrong with that?
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Old April 2nd, 2009, 11:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
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There are a few reasons. 1) if folks could change everything they said through a thread, they could make what was discussed look very different than it actually happened which could be both embarrassing and mistreatment of the other posters. 2) Once you write it, it is no longer yours, it is part of the information on the site. We use the forum to discuss, learn, joke, laugh etc.... but once you post, you don't own the posts. The site owns them. there are more reasons, but they are all shades of these two.

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Old April 3rd, 2009, 12:05 AM   #8 (permalink)
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We all make mistakes and it's particularly important to be able to undo some of them when they have been put in writing. We may say something we wish we hadn't or we may even write something that risks a law suit. On a forum, however, we are sharing the space provided by the forum owners and have to respect their position and that of the other members.

Most properly run forums place a time limit on editing posts to prevent threads from becoming confusing to follow and to avoid the risk of someone leaving offensive messages or spam before leaving. Rather than editing older posts, say to correct a factual error, it is much better to add a new post explaining what you need to say.

If you feel that the only solution is to edit or remove an older post, it is good manners and better for all concerned for you to contact the Administrator or his moderators. They may decide that it is better to delete an entire thread if it hinges on the post that you want removed or they may be able to offer an alternative course of action.

It's also possible that the decision to edit or remove a post is something that you may regret - just another type of mistake - and the forum Admin may be able to offer a different perspective. Paul is particularly good at explaining things in plain English and it's one of the best things about this forum that he is involved in and aware of pretty well everything that goes on.

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Sorry getbent - I was typing whilst you were and hadn't seen your reply until after I posted. Feel free to delete this if necessary.
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 12:48 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Pete, I won't speak for getbent, but I'd say you explained the situation beautifully!

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Old April 3rd, 2009, 03:37 AM   #10 (permalink)
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And I think the people here are generally more forgiving than many other forums. If you're wrong about something, admit it and apologize. Don't be a big baby and go and change your post later to make yourself look good. Thems the makin's of an insecure person right there.
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What Tim said!

I mostly use editing to fix any spelling errors I may have missed (I can be a bit obsessive about that).
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 03:51 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Pete, your take is a good one.
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 07:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I think I myself am pretty insecure, being giddy about this whole thing.

Seriously, it makes me hesitant to post my thoughts because I never know when my opinions change.

I'm think that this may indicate a deeper problem in my psyche, but the whole thing makes me feel nervous and uneasy.

I hope it's only me, but it just makes me feel really weird. I don't really think I have anything to hide, but my opinions are extremely rash, impulsive, and abrasive and often make me feel like a fool afterward. I could blame this on being 16, but you guys treat me as an adult, so I ought to at least try to act like one. Heck I dunno. Maybe it is me being selfish and having a desire to hide my goofs, but as I said before, try to act like an adult, and adults are to be held accountable for what they say.

So, I guess we all must be a bit more mature. Thinking about it, this may keep some more shady characters away from the forum. Anyway, I digress... We all should just be a bit more careful of what we say, it'll make the place a bit better.
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there is no crime in changing your mind. It is a sign of intelligence, humility and experience. I kind of like that the site keeps a record of what we say... it is nice to go back and see what you thought at different points.

If anyone tries to 'nail you' for an old opinion... just respond, I've reconsidered and changed my mind. That is how great things get done and how progress is made. You should never dread that.

At work, we encourage mistakes and risks and trying things that are difficult. From those mistakes we are informed and from great risks come great accomplishments. You take things seriously which is great, but realize that the only person who keeps score that matters... is you.
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 09:44 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Hi TDPRI...I have changed my web page that I host my dxf and dwg files on. I need to edit my "53 cnc build" thread and my "cnc broadcaster..and then some" thread so the files will be available to members. Is this possible? or should I add a page at the end with the new files?
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Rather than having to read through to the end with every pic having a broken link, perhaps Paul or one of the mods can perform the necessary edits ?
continuity of pix/data/info in this particular thread/instance would be VERY helpful imho....

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Old April 3rd, 2009, 10:03 PM   #16 (permalink)
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The policy change sounds sensible, thanks for the heads up
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 10:05 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Rather than having to read through to the end with every pic having a broken link, perhaps Paul or one of the mods can perform the necessary edits ?
continuity of pix/data/info in this particular thread/instance would be VERY helpful imho....

Thanx for ALL you do guys !
Hi Maestrovert.....It's not the pictures that will change..that would be catastrophic! I use photobucket for those...(I hope that never goes down!) It's just the dxf, dwg, and drawing files that will go away. What I will do is put a link to a zip file with ALL my drawing and solids files at the end of the two threads. That way nothing is lost!....Did you ever try those pickups?
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Old April 4th, 2009, 06:07 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Hi Maestrovert.....It's not the pictures that will change..that would be catastrophic! I use photobucket for those...(I hope that never goes down!) It's just the dxf, dwg, and drawing files that will go away. What I will do is put a link to a zip file with ALL my drawing and solids files at the end of the two threads. That way nothing is lost!....Did you ever try those pickups?
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Yes, i put 'em into a midnight wine Mim Std....Thanx again Ed !
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If you guys don't mind me asking, what's wrong with that?
I think there's a big difference between editing a post to clarify a position or take the sting out of a comment and erasing all of ones posts as part of a "take my ball and go home" hissy fit.

I'm not going out on a limb in assuming that that's what the policy change is in regards to, am I?
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Old April 4th, 2009, 07:01 PM   #20 (permalink)
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That's what happened. Yes. A long time member got mad temporarily and erased about 100 of his posts by editing them to nothing. It's not the first time in 10 years, but it is the last time.

All the TDPRI is the sum total of all the associated knowledge contained in the threads here. To remove that content is the single most damaging thing anyone can do to the website and shows a complete lack of appreciation for the TDPRI.
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Old April 19th, 2009, 09:59 AM   #21 (permalink)
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All the TDPRI is the sum total of all the associated knowledge contained in the threads here. To remove that content is the single most damaging thing anyone can do to the website and shows a complete lack of appreciation for the TDPRI.
VERY WELL SAID! Thanks for all you do Peter, and thanks to all who post here. This is still the best place to be no matter what differences arise! REALLY!!
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Old April 19th, 2009, 10:47 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I think a 24 hour editing period is fair and quite sufficient to correct sometimes embarrassing errors, add clarification, or retract rash statements. And if in some circumstances it's not, well then, an additional post will have to do.

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Old April 21st, 2009, 03:44 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Given this new policy, I think it would be polite if the "spelling and grammar police" would relax a little. You know who you are.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 01:56 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I like adding new photos to existing posts, to flesh them out and make them more cohesive. It is a shame you can no longer do that.

And now if I accidentally delete the wrong image from my photobucket account, the post is ruined.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 02:04 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I think 24 hours is probably a fair window of time. I know that I ( not here) have felt guilty in the past of saying something that at the time seemed appropriate but an hour or so later I came to the conclusion that maybe it was abrupt so I went back and made it sound better. I guess if you don't realize within a day that you may have torked someone off or said something way off the path, more than 24 hours won't much matter !

Lately in some forums I find myself typing and deleting before sending the post, that way I can say whatever I want and nobody ever has to know what I said !

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your site your rules. it's pretty fair anyway.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 02:15 PM   #27 (permalink)
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your site your rules. it's pretty fair anyway.
That's pretty much what I was thinking.

I think it's done for a good reason, and with fair warning. This place is a valuable resource for guitarists, and I have no issues with those that run this place.

Of course, I have 24 hours to change my mind...
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Interesting, but I know that time can change opinions, even strongly held ones.

Maybe a compromise would be to allow the original poster to add a link to a later post in the same thread, in the case they wanted to clarify (or make amends) past the 24 hour limit. That would keep them from changing the content, but be a way to reflect some correction or added info that they felt was necessary.

Then, maybe that one post you made when you really had too much coffee wouldn't be the *last* one somebody ready before deciding you were a complete butthead.
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Interesting, but I know that time can change opinions, even strongly held ones.

Maybe a compromise would be to allow the original poster to add a link to a later post in the same thread, in the case they wanted to clarify (or make amends) past the 24 hour limit. That would keep them from changing the content, but be a way to reflect some correction or added info that they felt was necessary.

Then, maybe that one post you made when you really had too much coffee wouldn't be the *last* one somebody ready before deciding you were a complete butthead.

I believe there is nothing stopping anyone from adding another post or two to any thread, the danger is that earlier on they may have had a different opinion and forgot and now are arguing with himself ! ( or herself )
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I'm not arguing the point, but I'm wondering if this policy is spelled out somewhere on the site? Might be good to see that when you sign up - not sure if it's there, it's been so long.
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I don't see anything that resembles your statement in the Terms of Use - at least something that is as straight forward as your statement. Again, I'm not arguing the point, just pointing out that ownership may not be clear to some people.
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I don't see anything that resembles your statement in the Terms of Use - at least something that is as straight forward as your statement. Again, I'm not arguing the point, just pointing out that ownership may not be clear to some people.
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Contents are clearly defined as sole property of the network. We all generate contents. Don't know how much clearer it could be.

Not a value judgement, but it is spelled out clearly in B&W.

I personally have wondered why there wasn't a limit on the time for edits. 24 hours seems ok (I may have preferred 48, but I don't own the site).
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[quote=Lerb21;1768026]d I could blame this on being 16, but you guys treat me as an adult, so I ought to at least try to act like one.

Lerb , if it's any comfort to you , remember that many adults regularly act 16 ...
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It would be nice if the time limit was a little longer like maybe a week... I very often find that I have spelled something wrong and correct it... I can actually spell ot I would not know it was wrong... just a little "keyboard dislexia"...
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I personally had not known of this editing policy. I can see where a change in subject matter might be confusing to other readers and bad spelling or maybe some dirtry words spoken might need changed. I see nothing wrong with that. But in a way it sounds like policing a forum. I can also see, and i have done it myself, where I'll put up a post and it sounds really ridiculous, and embarrassing. But, it will also bring on some other users who get a laugh out of it and some serious enquirers about the subject matter. I have posted on some other sites with some real stupid stuff, and man I got a heck of a thread going, and at my own embarrassment. So, even though it seems like a policing policy I can see where it can be beneficial. Guess I'll just have to keep em laughing at my expense.
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