Who Likes B*E*A*D Tuning?

[robert spencer]

I have often thought about converting to use a low B string to get a 5th fret fretted E. I hate to admit it but most everything I play is done on the two bass strings (4 string basses) using open E ( & often open A as the 4th). It has been my understanding that the big B string is hard to make sound good or intonate. But still if it sounds good fretted than I would be happy. I have n issues in using a 7th fret B. Anyone have experiences with this tuning? Thanks & take care. Bob

[honeycreek]

I haven't tried it on a 4 string bass but the fretted E is very useful. The notes lower than E are increasingly less useful as you go lower at least on my bass with the amps I've played through.

[robert spencer]

I wonder what effect scale length has upon using a B string. Better? Worse? I won`t even guess. Thanks & take care. Bob

[Immo]

I tried this on a 4 string bass and found it pretty much useless. The B string was used by me mostly as a thumb rest.
Shorter scale B string requires more tension for the same pitch, so it's stiffer than regular scale B string.

[robert spencer]

Immo I`m thinking that it might depend a lot on your style of playing and what you play. I play mostly 12 bar blues in E so for this application it might be the setup. As I say that fretted 5th fret E would either make or break the deal for me. If that was OK or better I would like it. If not it`s not for me then either.
Not so good for short scale though but I`m thinking of using the application on a Pbass clone I am refinishing. (Trying to get that road worn effect on it). I suppose if I do that I may as well go ahead & defret the thing. Thanks & take care. Bob

[Immo]

I tried the BEAD trick on my Telecaster Bass (regular scale + muddy humbucker right next to the neck) and the lows were extremely deep, blues sounded pretty nice but those fiver lower notes were a bit too much... I don't know, dark? Low? It's just I figured I won't find any good application for them in whatever I play, so I returned to EADG.

[Arbiter]

It worked like gangbusters on my Steinberger - really, really well - but that bass doesn't move or sound the same as a wood instrument. But if you can get it to work, it's just great.

[PinewoodRo]

I did it for a while on my old Vox bass (MIJ long scale) and it worked ok, but I did have an 18" speaker to help with the lower notes. The stuff I play these days doesn't need the lower string. I had to file the nut slots a little bit to get the action and sustain right.

[marshman]

Have you considered a Hipshot bass extender key?

http://store.hipshotproducts.com/car...oduct_list&c=6

It takes a while to set up, but instantly and accurately detunes the E to D (or Eb, Db, even C, I think) and back painlessly...I have had one on my Rick for years and use it once or twice a set at nearly every gig--I really use it for the D it gives me, but it would supply you with your fretted E.

Jus' sayin'

[robert spencer]

marshman the link is for use on an upright. Even if it worked thats a lot of money to invest in a freebee Pbass clone. I already have purchased a B string so its just a matter of wrapping a little sandpaper around a drill bit and working my way carefully to the bottom of the groove and perhaps enlarging the bridge orfice where the string enters. Take care. Bob

[dwlb]

The guy that plays bass in my band modded his fretless P-bass for this tuning about 14 years ago, and loves it. He did take it to a tech to make sure the neck was adjusted properly for the extra tension but beyond that, no worries. And he doesn't have any intonation problems, though the fretless thing may have something to do with that.

Only downside is, sometimes I ask him to play something up high and he'll have to remind me, "I don't have those notes anymore."

[Frankjohnson]

Did it - tried it - hated it - restored it back - had to put a new nut on to restore it

[aunchaki]

I play a 5-string now, but back when I had a P-Bass clone I tried BEAD for a while. I don't really use the low B, C, & C# notes, but I find that I can't do without the low D. Eventually, I tried Drop-D tuning on the 4-string and liked that best.

[robert spencer]

aunchaki can you explain drop D tuning to me. I used it on guitar years ago to play open g with a slide but can`t remember anything about how it was done. Thanks & take care. Bob

[FirstBassman]

I never tried it, but I imagine this would be the result . . .

Originally Posted by honeycreek

The notes lower than E are increasingly less useful as you go lower.

Originally Posted by Immo

those fiver lower notes were a bit too much... I don't know, dark? Low?

That matches my reaction when listening to five-string players.

And besides, all the notes would be in the wrong place!

[aunchaki]

Originally Posted by robert spencer

aunchaki can you explain drop D tuning to me. I used it on guitar years ago to play open g with a slide but can`t remember anything about how it was done.

Drop-D tuning is easy, just tune the lowest string from E to D. You'll have to jump up to the fifth fret to get the low G, but it quickly becomes second nature. You can get a Hipshot tuner to quickly switch from EADG to DADG with the flick of a lever.

Low D is heaven.

[robert spencer]

I`ll give it a try again. First time I was thinking E was first fret which wouldn`t work for me but second fret just might. Thanks & take care. Bob

[robert spencer]

For me personally it`s a matter of having more to gain (fretted 5th fret E) & nothing to lose but my G string (otherwise everything remains pretty much the same ).Not for everyone but i`m chancing it that it will work for the stuff I like to play. Take care. Bob

[bcat]

I strung my backup BEAD awhile ago but rarely used it. One day I decided to really give it a chance and I haven't gone back to standard tuning since then.

I'll occasionally use the low notes for something different (usually during the instrumental break) but mainly I grab them to end a song. Sometimes the G string would be nice for certain riffs but I'm generally not a fan of the thin sound they produce so it's not a big deal to lose it. I use P basses.

The B string is always going to be floppier than the E string but the relative difference isn't any more pronounced than going between any other pair of strings. I use med gauge D'A Chromes which are generally considered a 'stiffer' string but I've always preferred bigger strings anyway.

And FYI, BEAD is overall lower tension than EADG so you might need to loosen your truss rod a tiny bit, although it's really a pretty minor difference. File your nut, adjust your intonation...basically just give it a setup (which I always do I change strings anyway) and you're good to go.

best of luck

[robert spencer]

thanks bcat ( I use bobcat on another forum)
you express my concerns directly and makes me feel good about this experiment. I have thought long about it and have come to the conclusion that I have nothing to lose but a string i don`t like anyway (I`ll be looking for a guitar player to give it to so it might find some use).

I have the Fender Bass Manual (paul balmer/Carole Kay) to help me in all the setup procedures. (It`s a great book to have). Congratulations on your #1 post here. Take care. Bob