Best 4X10 cab

[Scotty Les is More]

Who makes it? Or at least between GK and SWR. Let the debate begin.... Thanks, I'll be using a GK 800RB head. Scott

[Tim Armstrong]

I'm partial to Avatar, myself. Well-designed, built tough, and a fraction of the price!



http://www.avatarspeakers.com/

No affiliation, etc...

Tim

[4mal]

Depends on what you are trying to amplify ... GK made a very small rear ported 4x10 that pairs with your 800; sounds great with upright and a P. The guy from Little Charlie and the Night Cats uses that setup and he has nice, nice tone. LC &TNC is a west coast blues 'n' boogie outfit, maybe a little Rock'a'billy thrown in. They are a four piece where the Front Man that plays harp. You get the chance - go check them out, real fun band!

OK - back to your question... I have yet to hear much from SWR that I actually like. Some folks swear by the stuff though and the gear sems well built but sounds brittle or bright to my ear. So I suppose it is a matter of taste.

I had great luck with a GK head but never used one of their cabs. The GK head with a couple of JBL's (15's) kicked me in the pants for a long time.

If it were me, I'd open up the search a little bit. The guys at talkbass seem to be really high on the newer Bergantino sealed boxes. The 6x10 in particular. I don't know if they make it in a 4x10 or not. The 6x10 is tweeterless which IMO is a very good thing.

[RickC]

Originally Posted by 4mal

OK - back to your question... I have yet to hear much from SWR that I actually like. Some folks swear by the stuff though and the gear sems well built but sounds brittle or bright to my ear. So I suppose it is a matter of taste

If you're talking about SWR electronics, I would agree. But I'm using a Goliath 2x10 currently, and it is one sweet cab. Deep, clear, warm, not brittle at all, and one of the smaller/lighter 2x10s on the market.

On the other hand, the Bergantino cabs I've tried have had more of a brittle tone to my ears. Haven't tried that 6x10 though.

/rick

[martini]

The best 410 I've used bar none is an Ampeg BSX 410HLF. Sounds like the SVT HLF but a third of the weight.

ON the subject of SWR, on a recent recording session I used a hired rig that consisted of Ampeg SVT classic head and SWR Goliath II 410 cab.

Similar sort of sound but it couldnt take the bottom end, nice break up though.

[Jammin'John]

Tim said:"I'm partial to Avatar, myself. Well-designed, built tough, and a fraction of the price!"

Tim..........do you know anything about those neo drivers ?
I was lookin' & as far as I can figure out the neo ten is a delta ten with a neo magnet.
The delta ten handles 50 more watts. :?
Both are about the same efficient. 8)
The magnet on the delta weighs 56 oz.
...............................neo..............7 oz.
That is a HUGE difference in a 4x10 cab.

JJ

[Tim Armstrong]

That IS quite a difference in weight! Seems to me that I've heard good things being said about neo magnets over on the Webber board. Ted seems to like them, and he's certainly The Man when it comes to speakers and tone...

Cheers, Tim

[the blue mule]

I have been using the same Hartke 410 transporter for the last nine years.(with hartke 350 watt head). on a couple of tours.
great note definition, punchy, sounds big, light weight, and bullet proof.
for my money it is hard to beat.
I have used the SWR and it sounded great...
GK makes great amps, but their cabs I really havent used too much.

[craig allen]

I have a Fender 410 Pro SL. I play it through a Bassman 300 head, and find it to be somewhat warm, but I am adding a 115 Pro (Fender) to hopefully warm it up a bit. Does anyone have any opinion on these cabs?

[broadcaster]

I'm thinking about getting another 4x10" for the upcoming summer festival gig schedule this year, instead of using two 1x15"s like I have been the past year. One neo driver, 4 ohm cab would be great.

The Avatar boxes look good now (imo) with the available vinyl wraps. A set of removable casters on one of these would make for an easy to move about, powerful bass cab. Hmmm.

[4mal]

I like that 4x10. The low end is a little loose and with a quick Solid State head that gets you a little further towards the warm zone. My current rock stack is an Avatar SB-112 (neo) and B-210 (neo) - not as much volume as the 4x10 will get you but it's a nice modular carry and the combo of the 10's and 12 is pretty rich. Seem's like everything up to about 2K is well represented. I'm of the opinion that nothing very important happens above about 1K in a bass rig so that work's for me ...

Ok - maybe I exaggerate that a little but I keep one tweeter almost all the way off and the other is at maybe 1/4 and I get that nice old school round but well defined, not muddy thump thing happening.

If I were buying new. I would skip the admittedly cool looking but notoriously fragile Tolex and I'd go for boring old black, indestructible Line-X. The Line-X finish is cheaper than Tolex - after you buy the padded cover to keep it looking decent anyway... me ? I buy used as often as possible. I'll let some other guy dance the 'jig of depreciation' - so it's black rat fur for me

[Shoved BassVIII]

I really like the pre fender srw 410 goliath...dont know about post fender, but I assume its just as nice

[broadcaster]

Actually, I know of a used Kappa Pro 4x10 (fur covered) that I could get locally for a good price, but the issue with it is it's weight-almost 100 lbs. The new neo 4x10's weigh about 40% less. Probably worth the extra money for portability and it's looks, being tolex or Line-X covered.

[4mal]

My idol uses an old Golly III, powered by an SVT, driven by either Lakland or Fender P basses - and it sounds great - but he has a road crew ...

once you go neo - you won't go back...

[slauson slim]

I use 2 SWR Goliath Jr. 2x10s. Easier on the back and packing than a 4x10, and sometimes only one 2x10 is just enough for the gig..

[4mal]

Yep. Modular is the way to go IMO. In my case for the rock rig it's a 1x12 and a 2x10 from Avatar. It's a much better sounding setup than one would expect for the bucks.

In my last rock band I used a Big Ben (1x18) with a Golly II on top as the rehersal rig. That thing was sweet! on a second floor rehersal studio. I am truly grateful that I never had to move it ... still with an SVT Pro III it was a really nice sounding rig.

As I noted above - back in 2004, prior to this thread's ressurection, I haven't ever been a big SWR fan. What I realize now is that the cab's themselves are voiced 'thick' to compliment the thin sounding heads. Mr Lozano's 70's SVT driving that Golly 4x10 is a mghty thick sounding rig!

[Anchoret]

Originally Posted by Shoved BassVIII

I really like the pre fender srw 410 goliath...dont know about post fender, but I assume its just as nice

No difference in the late pre-FMIC and post-FMIC G-IIIs the except the Speakon connectors and the chrome grille. I have both. The current Goliath IVs use different drivers. Better or worse than the previous PAS, I can't say.

[Shoved BassVIII]

good to hear

[Bluesbob]

I really like the pre fender srw 410 goliath...dont know about post fender, but I assume its just as nice

I think there were three phases of SWR production; SWR engineering, SWR sound and SWR-Fender. I'm not sure when it changed from SWR engineering to SWR sound, but I have an older, enamel grill Goliath III (SWR engineering)which has the original Steve Rabe-designed ten-inchers and which has been indestructible, and I have put it through hell.
I wouldn't spend my money on the Fender stuff. I have a Goliath III Jr. (SWR-Fender) which had speakers with different baskets than the SWR engineering speakers, probably Fender's spec, but maybe SWR sound. Again, I'm not sure of the exact difference between the two periods. Anyway, one of the speakers caught fire at a patio rehearsal at a guitar player/friend's house. I was driving it gently (at 8 ohms) with an Eden WT400 (260 watts at 8 ohms). I replaced both speakers with Madison Knight 8-ohm tenners, which sound really good and give me a nice 4-ohm load.
So SWR engineering (as opposed to any other SWR phase of production) has been, at least in my experience, much more reliable and would be the only SWR equipment I would consider, used or otherwise. I have not tried any of the IV series cabs, however.
There was a time when the SWR (engineering) Goliath II or III was the standard for back-line cabs, and were ubiquitous in studios. I don't think this is true anymore.
I now use a Schroeder 410L, not only for its' low weight, but also because of the clever horn-loaded design, which makes it louder than the Goliath, with unbelievable projection.

[4mal]

The word you were looking for is violent. That 410L cab is simply that. Violent. It doesn't have punch, it has like gale force sustained wind. Least my 410R did. No problem hearing that one, not even a little. A monster - like taking a soccer ball in the back - but louder ...

I kinda miss the old 21012L but I really don't need that kind of rig at this point. If I did, that's where I'd be though.

[broadcaster]

Anybody here have an Avatar B410 Neo and care to comment about it?

[4mal]

IIRC - Butch at Bayou Cables (noahvale @ babp) uses one so he might be a good dedicated ping.

[BobHolland]

I like my Aguilar GS410. At least last time I used it a year ago. 700 watts a 4 ohms.
Bob

[mudbean]

Originally Posted by 4mal

The word you were looking for is violent. That 410L cab is simply that. Violent. It doesn't have punch, it has like gale force sustained wind. Least my 410R did. No problem hearing that one, not even a little. A monster - like taking a soccer ball in the back - but louder ...

Hee hee, nice!!

mud

[Bluesbob]

The word you were looking for is violent.

I used the Schroeder 410L last night with my new (to me) Eden WT800B. It reminds me of the kung-fu master who could destroy any and everybody in the place, but doesn't believe in violence except as a last resort. And so he is able to remain non-violent, because nobody's gonna be messin' with him.
The 800B/410L has more punch than anything else I've played, but that doesn't mean you are required to blow the front rows' ears out. It's just nice to play, without having to worry about anything except playing. But if you ever need the headroom it's nice to know you could destroy.

[InknI]

If you plan on moving it around or you play alot of shows, id go with a markbass 4x10. It weights half as much as all the others and its a nice cab.

[4mal]

There is a 410L for $575 and shipping in Salem, OR ... Portland, OR Craigs list. That is a heck of a price for that cab.

Uh, that Mark Bass 4x10 would have to weigh in at something like 27 lbs for that to be true... maybe a decent cabinet but half the weight ? I don't think so... The MB stuff is OK. I wasn't real impressed with the LMII and a 2x10 setup I played around with. There was something just 'not me' in the voicing of that setup. It wasn't a thorough workout, but I wasn't inpired nough to extend it either. and then there is the talkbass hype factor. Frankly that makes me imediately skeptical as my experiences tend to run counter to much of what I read from the general populace there.

I was running an Eden Pre and QSC power with the 410 and then with the 21012. That fat Eden voice really worked with the 410. I can imagine that you would have no problem hearing that setup!

[Bluesbob]

Originally Posted by 4mal

I can imagine that you would have no problem hearing that setup!

Huh? What's that you said? What?

[4 Strings]

Originally Posted by martini

The best 410 I've used bar none is an Ampeg BSX 410HLF. Sounds like the SVT HLF but a third of the weight.

Geez would I like to try one of those! My SVT HLF sure is a sweet sounding mutha, but it comes at a price, or should I say comes at a weight!

[axmaker]

just bought another one of these since it appears they may phase them out. their hype now is the hybrids, which i have been unable to bond with. i just have to get that superior tone that comes from the aluminum cone....

http://www.zzounds.com/item--HTK410BXL