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Old September 25th, 2009, 08:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My Duh Bass Moment

On 4 string bass it's simple enough, E, A, D, and G.

I always though that 5 and 6 strings would following suit, starting at E and going up two octaves to another E.

But now I find out that a lot (if not most, according to a video I saw) of 5 string basses at a low B to the bass guitar.

Drumroll please....


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Old September 25th, 2009, 09:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Kind of funny, this came up in conversation last week at rehearsal. our bass player thought the same thing.
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Old September 25th, 2009, 09:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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That's about the only reason I would want a 5ver. That would give me a fretted low E. Just can't seem to get the hang of muting the open E string.
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Old September 25th, 2009, 09:54 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I've got a six string bass, too, it's like a bass within a bass >>>the inner four strings are normal, then you've got the Low B and the High C string.

I too was surprised by all this the first time I ever picked one up. That, and the fact that the neck seems as wide as a canoe paddle up around the 12th fret...

Once you get used to it, though, it's awesome
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Old September 25th, 2009, 09:55 PM   #5 (permalink)
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some guys like the low B and also the narrow neck so they string it up B-E-A-D
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Old September 25th, 2009, 11:02 PM   #6 (permalink)
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There's a player I know of in the region who plays a 7 string bass. Don't ask, I only counted them.

Give me a 4 string Jazz bass, that's all I need.
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Old September 26th, 2009, 12:00 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I recall seeing a F#-B-E-A bass in some catalog or another in the not too distant past. Presumably a 35-inch scale.

But that's kinda silly, I think, though a B-E-A-D might be practical...how often do I go all the waaay...up....there...lookin' for a note. Shoot, I rarely pass the 12th fret!
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Old September 27th, 2009, 09:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Fender's original 5er had a high C string.

Short scale bass.

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Old September 27th, 2009, 11:17 PM   #9 (permalink)
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On 4 string bass it's simple enough, E, A, D, and G.

I always though that 5 and 6 strings would following suit, starting at E and going up two octaves to another E.

But now I find out that a lot (if not most, according to a video I saw) of 5 string basses at a low B to the bass guitar.

Yeah, sorry, this is pretty much common knowledge.
Basses are tuned in perfect 4th's so the next lowest string would be a 'B.' *

And the extra string gives a player a whopping five more notes ... most of which can't be heard by the human ear.
Waste of steel IMHO.


* But yes there are instruments with low octave EADGBE strings.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 11:46 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Since a 5-string bass neck is too big for my hands, I've decided to install a Hipshot D-tuner on my E string. Drop the E string to a "D", fret the second fret, and hey, you have a fretted "E"!
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Old September 27th, 2009, 11:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Yeah, sorry, this is pretty much common knowledge.
Basses are tuned in perfect 4th's so the next lowest string would be a 'B.' *

And the extra string gives a player a whopping five more notes ... most of which can't be heard by the human ear.
Waste of steel IMHO.


* But yes there are instruments with low octave EADGBE strings.
I'm perfectly happy with four strings, myself, but it seems to me that the real utility in a 5 or 6 string bass would be having those extra notes under your hand anywhere along the fretboard...

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Old September 27th, 2009, 11:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Old September 28th, 2009, 12:16 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm perfectly happy with four strings, myself, but it seems to me that the real utility in a 5 or 6 string bass would be having those extra notes under your hand anywhere along the fretboard...
Yep. I didn't see the point, myself, until I had owned a 5-string for awhile.
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Old September 28th, 2009, 10:17 AM   #14 (permalink)
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some guys like the low B and also the narrow neck so they string it up B-E-A-D
Did that........it was cool for a little while......but not in the long term though

I missed the G
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Old October 19th, 2009, 06:09 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I don't care if I don't have the low B, but I do find myself wishing for the low Eb, and occasionally the D
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Old October 20th, 2009, 04:03 AM   #16 (permalink)
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In the last jazz thing I was doing, E through C was cool. The B I do not generally care for ... Now when I get the call for that Weezer Tribute gig ... I'll l get another B tuned 5 ...
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Old October 20th, 2009, 05:08 AM   #17 (permalink)
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In the last jazz thing I was doing, E through C was cool. The B I do not generally care for ... Now when I get the call for that Weezer Tribute gig ... I'll l get another B tuned 5 ...
That's exactly what Steve Swallow mounts on his 5-string bass: an extra high B string.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 07:01 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I don't care if I don't have the low B, but I do find myself wishing for the low Eb, and occasionally the D
Yup. I play a 5-string, but almost never go all the way down to the B. I can't, however, live without the low, low D. I've done drop-D tuning on a 4-string and it was OK. If I had a 4-string now, I'd go B-E-A-D with it.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 01:48 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I spent the months learning the 5, and was slightly better than proficient at it, not as good as I was on my 4, but certainly capable of getting through my gigs with it, but like many of us, I found that I never used the low B.

Installed a hipshot detuner set for D on my Rickenbacker and never looked back. Lookin' for one for my J & P now, if anyone wants to get rid of one...

As for Lerb, there was a point in my life when I thought that a 6-string bass GUITAR was just a regular guitar, an octave lower, eg the B & E strings, but there were a lot fewer of them around back then...
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Old October 20th, 2009, 02:01 PM   #20 (permalink)
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As for Lerb, there was a point in my life when I thought that a 6-string bass GUITAR was just a regular guitar, an octave lower, eg the B & E strings, but there were a lot fewer of them around back then...
I played cello elementary school through high school. Heard Zep 1 and thought "can't do that with a cello..." So off to the music store to find bass. 4 strings from one to the other... I pick the thing up in the store and - it's tuned all goofy - so I tune it properly - I'd heard some blues & boogie so I tried the 1-4-5 kinda thing... Sales guy comes over listens, looks and my fretting hand, frowns - does is best 'gimme that, kid...' and retunes it wrong again...hands it back. Says - 'that's how you tune a bass ...' I probably shoulda known but the people who were playing bassin the orch at school were sorta developmentally disadvantaged and I just kinda avoided back there ... 4ths ... who knew ? Now I have the same reaction to tenor guitar - a lovely instrument tuned in 5ths mando style. Every time I pick one up, I want to tune it in 4ths and my luthier buddy who makes them just rolls his eyes ...
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Old October 20th, 2009, 02:33 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Both of my 6-string basses are tuned E-E, that's how you did it "back then".
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Old October 20th, 2009, 02:52 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Old October 20th, 2009, 04:55 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Are you sure?

It didn't have a regular number of frets as it was meant to be played across the fretboard as opposed to up it, but I always thought it was a full-scale bass.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 10:32 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I love my 5ers. I rarely go down all the way to B, but, I love having the low D and a fretted E.

One think I don't care for is when bass players forget it's a "bass" and are playing way up the neck in the range of the guitars. Just my personal pet peeve.
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Old October 30th, 2009, 11:42 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I thought the same thing until I picked up a 5 string and started to play it. That was quite a rude awakening! I imagine it would take a good while to get used to playing the 5 string. I'll stick with the 4 that I know.
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