In praise of Jimmy Vaughn - Page 2

trag-o-caster · March 3rd, 2008, 07:56 AM

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I just wonder, is there any audio or video evidence that JLV is capable of playing anything like SRV, cause I have never heard or seen it..

On "Family Style" they often play each others styles. I read an interview after it's release, and was shocked to hear who played which solo - I thought it was opposite! Jimmie would be doing Stevie's Albert King bends, and Stevie would play minimal and way behind the beat like Jimmie usually does.

Shred??? I don't think either one of them "shred" do they? I guess it would be shredding by 1970 standards or something.

Also, Guitar Player put out one of them floppy little records that you tear out of the magazine pages with Jimmie and Duke Robillard trading solos, and Jimmie just SMOKED on that!

harlycarly · March 3rd, 2008, 08:33 AM

A favorite JV cut of mine is on Lou Ann Barton's album "Read My Lips", called "Sugar Coated Love". It is a solo that just fits like a glove, albeit a lead lined sap glove.

eddiewagner · March 3rd, 2008, 08:46 AM

i think the man plays amazing. i just saw the crossroads dvd and what he does there is fantastic.

chet · March 3rd, 2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by harlycarly

A favorite JV cut of mine is on Lou Ann Barton's album "Read My Lips", called "Sugar Coated Love". It is a solo that just fits like a glove, albeit a lead lined sap glove.

They played that on an ACL show I taped a few years ago.

Higgs F. Boson · March 3rd, 2008, 09:03 AM

Check out some early Johnny "Guitar" Watson records and you'll see where Jimmie Vaughan got his playing style. He does it well, though...

Dr. T · March 3rd, 2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by trag-o-caster

Shred??? I don't think either one of them "shred" do they? I guess it would be shredding by 1970 standards or something.

Well, no, not "shredding" like metal players do, I guess; but lots o' notes played fast. Stevie did that quite a bit, especially live. Jimmie never does it, I don't believe.

rand z · March 3rd, 2008, 10:23 AM

friends say im crazy, and nothing against stevie, but i always said i enjoy jimmy's playing a bit more... i just think he's "funkier."

imho.

rand z

ne4tt · March 3rd, 2008, 11:10 AM

Believe Extra Jimmies was off the first T-Bird record, Girl's Go Wild.

My fave Jimmie composition. Jamie

wilkat1 · March 3rd, 2008, 11:32 AM

As a huge SRV fan I never forget that Jimmie (not Jimi or Albert or the other Albert or Lonnie or anyone else) was Stevie's favorite guitarist and inspiration. I love Jimmie's playing and even his singing.

I would be interested in finding that article about who played which solos on the Vaughan Bros. album - I really love that CD. Along with In Step, it proves SRV wasn't even close to finished in his musical development.

Stevie used to say that when he was finished with a show he had played about 90% of what he knew but that after a show Jimmie had played only about 10%. That speaks volumes about the respect he had for his big bro.

TelZilla · March 3rd, 2008, 11:49 AM

To the OP's question, and as several alluded to in the thread, he played very differently with the T-Birds than he does now.

Back then he was using a pick and, while he was never exactly "notey", he was a little more out front then. Pick up the first T-Brids CD (sometimes referred to as "Girls Go Wild")- to me it's quintesential whiteboy guitar blues of the Anson Funderburg/Ronnie Earl/Duke Robillard type. Duke and Ronnie are a lot flashier than JLV, but it all sorta sounds like Texas jumpish, swingy kinda blues.

His later solo stuff is more the style I think you're describing- mostly (all?) fingerpicked, tone rolled back, even more economical, often plays descending pulloff kinda riffs at the nut, or in F, with a Capo I. Sounds a little more "gutbucket", to my ear. Although I also hear a little more jazz influence in some of the solo stuff (e.g., "Tilt-a-Whirl").

I love all of it. I can't really think of another guitarist who had such a clean deliniation between two styles (seems like he switched right after SRV's death). Anybody else?

TelZilla · March 3rd, 2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ne4tt

Believe Extra Jimmies was off the first T-Bird record, Girl's Go Wild.

My fave Jimmie composition. Jamie

Extra Jimmies is on What's the Word, their second or third. Perhaps the world's greatest set-opener.

You need to get Girls go Wild, What's the Word, and Butt Rockin', IMO

TelZilla · March 3rd, 2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Higgs F. Boson

Check out some early Johnny "Guitar" Watson records and you'll see where Jimmie Vaughan got his playing style. He does it well, though...

Also Magic Sam. Tons of Magic Sam.

ne4tt · March 3rd, 2008, 12:51 PM

Thanks for the clarification.

Those early T-Bird albums are great stuff.

Always liked how Jimmie allows his leads to "breathe", rather than beating you over the head with a non-stop barrage of lead guitar.

Sure makes what he "says" stand out.

jamie

94bamf · March 3rd, 2008, 01:14 PM

Well, in my own search of JLV music, I found this, which is pretty damn good in my opinion...

ibobunot · March 3rd, 2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 94bamf

If I am reading it correctly, it doesn't look like any of that music is actually JLV playing..

Well no, but it was a cool article anyway...

mojo2001 · March 3rd, 2008, 01:33 PM

>>Also Magic Sam. Tons of Magic Sam.

Earl Hooker, Clarence Hollomon, Wayne Bennett, Freddie King, T BONE, and GUITAR SLIM...

Once again to ye old You Tube for illustration:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qwgWyBlnx_w

SRV and the T-Birds playing the Guitar Slim anthem, "The Things That I Used to Do."

Seems to me SRV and JLV are both coming off that rapid fire staccato, driving Guitar Slim/T-Bone style, in their own way but definitely joined at the hip.

Yeah there might be a Jimmie Vaughan thread every week, as one commenter noted, but this gets to some important stuff--straight to the heart of the blues.

red57strat · March 3rd, 2008, 02:00 PM

I'm a huge Jimmie Vaughan fan.
I used to, and sometimes still do, take a lot of flack for that. It was a lot worse in the early '80s.
People just didn't know, or accept, where he was coming from.

I learned a lot form the first two T-Birds records. If anything, he's evolved backwards compared to other artists, moving away from what would sell records to what pleases him.

I love it!

ibobunot · March 3rd, 2008, 02:21 PM

While looking for more Jimmie V stuff I found this Stevie Ray Vaughan 1975...

The Cobra's - Other Days

gtech · March 3rd, 2008, 02:40 PM

I'm also a big fan.

Dr. T · March 3rd, 2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mojo2001

SRV and the T-Birds playing the Guitar Slim anthem, "The Things That I Used to Do."

Actually looks like JV and Kim Wilson w/SRV and Double Trouble,but either way - terrific!

JimiBryant · March 3rd, 2008, 07:16 PM

no disrespect to the late SRV 'cuz I liked his music too but Jimmie was always
my favorite Vaughan brother.. the Fabulous T-Birds (when they had the late,
great Keith Ferguson playing bass) were untouchable in my book!

not so much for me once they had the hit with "Tuff Enough" and afterwards,
although I'd still go see 'em play live any chance I got.

JV's playing is tasteful and yet completely rockin' at the same time.

besides, the Jimmie Vaughan signature Strat is my favorite ever!!

I did see the T-Birds on a double bill with Double Trouble and the brothers did
a mini-set between the two bands.. oh me, oh my! just the two of 'em, holy
moly!! anybody who sez Jimmie can't cook doesn't know what they're talking about!!
(IMHO of course)

TexGoneNW · March 3rd, 2008, 07:45 PM

I heard both Jimmie Vaughan with the T-Birds (first lineup) and Anson Funderburgh with the Rockets and Sam Myers way back over 25 years ago, I think. Now, the Rockets were good (in Houston), but I was in a bar (Miranda's) in College Station's Northgate. They weren't on site at starting time, and walked in with all their stuff in one trip, set up, and immediately had a borderline irate crowd on their feet shakin butt...IN College Station, mind you, in the days when Lyle Lovett was mumbling into a microphone at the pizza joint in town.

Jimmie is Mister Rhythm Guitar. He stays absolutely in the pocket. There aren't too many people doing this nowdays (maybe some original Texas Swing players who are still kicking).

His solos are understated, to the point, and laden with little "happy accidents" that he seems to be able to pull off like they are accidents (and I don't think they are, people).

Praise be, Jimmie Lee.

mojo2001 · March 3rd, 2008, 07:54 PM

> Actually looks like JV and Kim Wilson w/SRV and Double Trouble,but either way - terrific!

Oh yeah, you are 100% correct. I did snag a glimpse of Tommy Shannon, also a flash of Chris Layton on the skins, second time around. Good eye!!

Anyway, when I see Kim Wilson and JV, I automatically think "T-Birds".

In any case this hybrid band really kicks some serious hiney!!

Too bad they couldn't drag out Doug Sahm too! There is another great Texas Roots blues slinger who could play those old Bobby Blue Bland, T Bone, and Guitar Slim numbers with the best of them. You Tube failed me on an example, but those of you from Texas know what I'm talkin about.

TexGoneNW · March 3rd, 2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ibobunot

The Vaughan Brothers - Good Texan

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Weird, and something I never noticed (sorry off-topic).

Did anyone else notice that's Charlie Sexton in the video on drums and Doyle Bramhall II playing bass upside-down left handed?

March 3rd, 2008, 08:46 AM	#43 (permalink)
eddiewagner Friend of Leo's Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ROCK!linghausen/germany Age: 49 Posts: 3,599 27 Photos	i think the man plays amazing. i just saw the crossroads dvd and what he does there is fantastic. __________________ My Drum/Guitar-Duo: www.myspace.com/captaintwangandhisrhythmcat

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ne4tt Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: North Cackalacky Posts: 1,362 4 Photos	Extra Jimmies Believe Extra Jimmies was off the first T-Bird record, Girl's Go Wild. My fave Jimmie composition. Jamie

March 3rd, 2008, 11:32 AM	#49 (permalink)
wilkat1 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: So. Illinois Age: 39 Posts: 1,459 20 Photos	As a huge SRV fan I never forget that Jimmie (not Jimi or Albert or the other Albert or Lonnie or anyone else) was Stevie's favorite guitarist and inspiration. I love Jimmie's playing and even his singing. I would be interested in finding that article about who played which solos on the Vaughan Bros. album - I really love that CD. Along with In Step, it proves SRV wasn't even close to finished in his musical development. Stevie used to say that when he was finished with a show he had played about 90% of what he knew but that after a show Jimmie had played only about 10%. That speaks volumes about the respect he had for his big bro. __________________ MySpace "That number don't mean nothing to me if the guitar don't sound right." - Buddy Guy on the year a guitar was manufactured.

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TelZilla Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cleveburg, USA Age: 38 Posts: 1,579 6 Photos	To the OP's question, and as several alluded to in the thread, he played very differently with the T-Birds than he does now. Back then he was using a pick and, while he was never exactly "notey", he was a little more out front then. Pick up the first T-Brids CD (sometimes referred to as "Girls Go Wild")- to me it's quintesential whiteboy guitar blues of the Anson Funderburg/Ronnie Earl/Duke Robillard type. Duke and Ronnie are a lot flashier than JLV, but it all sorta sounds like Texas jumpish, swingy kinda blues. His later solo stuff is more the style I think you're describing- mostly (all?) fingerpicked, tone rolled back, even more economical, often plays descending pulloff kinda riffs at the nut, or in F, with a Capo I. Sounds a little more "gutbucket", to my ear. Although I also hear a little more jazz influence in some of the solo stuff (e.g., "Tilt-a-Whirl"). I love all of it. I can't really think of another guitarist who had such a clean deliniation between two styles (seems like he switched right after SRV's death). Anybody else? __________________ Thanks,Nick Witless and Affected. Always.

March 3rd, 2008, 12:51 PM	#53 (permalink)
ne4tt Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: North Cackalacky Posts: 1,362 4 Photos	Telzilla Thanks for the clarification. Those early T-Bird albums are great stuff. Always liked how Jimmie allows his leads to "breathe", rather than beating you over the head with a non-stop barrage of lead guitar. Sure makes what he "says" stand out. jamie

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harlycarly Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Republik of Vermont Posts: 631	A favorite JV cut of mine is on Lou Ann Barton's album "Read My Lips", called "Sugar Coated Love". It is a solo that just fits like a glove, albeit a lead lined sap glove.

March 3rd, 2008, 09:03 AM	#45 (permalink)
Higgs F. Boson TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Birmingham, Alabama Age: 34 Posts: 43	Check out some early Johnny "Guitar" Watson records and you'll see where Jimmie Vaughan got his playing style. He does it well, though...

March 3rd, 2008, 10:23 AM	#47 (permalink)
rand z Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 910	friends say im crazy, and nothing against stevie, but i always said i enjoy jimmy's playing a bit more... i just think he's "funkier." imho. rand z

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94bamf Tele-Meister Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kansas City Age: 31 Posts: 134	Well, in my own search of JLV music, I found this, which is pretty damn good in my opinion...

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mojo2001 Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Colonial Virginia Age: 48 Posts: 176	>>Also Magic Sam. Tons of Magic Sam. Earl Hooker, Clarence Hollomon, Wayne Bennett, Freddie King, T BONE, and GUITAR SLIM... Once again to ye old You Tube for illustration: http://youtube.com/watch?v=qwgWyBlnx_w SRV and the T-Birds playing the Guitar Slim anthem, "The Things That I Used to Do." Seems to me SRV and JLV are both coming off that rapid fire staccato, driving Guitar Slim/T-Bone style, in their own way but definitely joined at the hip. Yeah there might be a Jimmie Vaughan thread every week, as one commenter noted, but this gets to some important stuff--straight to the heart of the blues.

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red57strat Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,097	I'm a huge Jimmie Vaughan fan. I used to, and sometimes still do, take a lot of flack for that. It was a lot worse in the early '80s. People just didn't know, or accept, where he was coming from. I learned a lot form the first two T-Birds records. If anything, he's evolved backwards compared to other artists, moving away from what would sell records to what pleases him. I love it! __________________ Don

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ibobunot Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pueblo, Colorado Age: 55 Posts: 3,031	While looking for more Jimmie V stuff I found this Stevie Ray Vaughan 1975... The Cobra's - Other Days

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gtech Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Quebec, Canada Age: 59 Posts: 1,923 171 Photos	I'm also a big fan. __________________ Back to practice now...to make my Teles sound good.

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JimiBryant Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chicago Chicago that toddlin' town Age: 46 Posts: 1,296	no disrespect to the late SRV 'cuz I liked his music too but Jimmie was always my favorite Vaughan brother.. the Fabulous T-Birds (when they had the late, great Keith Ferguson playing bass) were untouchable in my book! not so much for me once they had the hit with "Tuff Enough" and afterwards, although I'd still go see 'em play live any chance I got. JV's playing is tasteful and yet completely rockin' at the same time. besides, the Jimmie Vaughan signature Strat is my favorite ever!! I did see the T-Birds on a double bill with Double Trouble and the brothers did a mini-set between the two bands.. oh me, oh my! just the two of 'em, holy moly!! anybody who sez Jimmie can't cook doesn't know what they're talking about!! (IMHO of course) __________________ I am very proud of the fact that I'm so humble!

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TexGoneNW Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Victoria, TX Age: 50 Posts: 904 4 Photos	I heard both Jimmie Vaughan with the T-Birds (first lineup) and Anson Funderburgh with the Rockets and Sam Myers way back over 25 years ago, I think. Now, the Rockets were good (in Houston), but I was in a bar (Miranda's) in College Station's Northgate. They weren't on site at starting time, and walked in with all their stuff in one trip, set up, and immediately had a borderline irate crowd on their feet shakin butt...IN College Station, mind you, in the days when Lyle Lovett was mumbling into a microphone at the pizza joint in town. Jimmie is Mister Rhythm Guitar. He stays absolutely in the pocket. There aren't too many people doing this nowdays (maybe some original Texas Swing players who are still kicking). His solos are understated, to the point, and laden with little "happy accidents" that he seems to be able to pull off like they are accidents (and I don't think they are, people). Praise be, Jimmie Lee.

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mojo2001 Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Colonial Virginia Age: 48 Posts: 176	> Actually looks like JV and Kim Wilson w/SRV and Double Trouble,but either way - terrific! Oh yeah, you are 100% correct. I did snag a glimpse of Tommy Shannon, also a flash of Chris Layton on the skins, second time around. Good eye!! Anyway, when I see Kim Wilson and JV, I automatically think "T-Birds". In any case this hybrid band really kicks some serious hiney!! Too bad they couldn't drag out Doug Sahm too! There is another great Texas Roots blues slinger who could play those old Bobby Blue Bland, T Bone, and Guitar Slim numbers with the best of them. You Tube failed me on an example, but those of you from Texas know what I'm talkin about.

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