NY Yankees: Will they make the playoffs?

[stantheman]

Originally Posted by tele-jack

Boggs was a sexaholic. He couldn't help himself. Show some pity on the man!

Hold the phone...most of You are Musicians is that not correct?
And You've NEVER been tempted by the "Devil In a Blue Dress"?
If I'm held accountable for my conjugal behavior in The 70's I'm in BIG TROUBLE. And my guess is; so are the rest of you too.

I've changed my ways.

I could care less about ARod's off field behavior.
It means nothing and is nobody's business but ARod's.
But for You to get in my face and tell me he's that much superior to the like of Jim Thome and Mannychusetts plus Mel Ott, Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle,
Eddie Murray, Harmon Killebrew with half of his career just barely over leads
to me speculating that it's gotta be the puppychow.
Because NOBODY gets to that mountaintop that quickly - 500 Club.
On July 9th during The Home Run Contest just how long were Bonds and ARod talking for?
I hope he stays a Yankee for the rest of his career.
Mike Lowell's more than adequate on the field in addition to being a really decent guy. A Team is like a Band; if the chemistry is there it'll be great.
But Detroit worries me more than anyone.
And Einstein's the manager. No knock on Tito either.

[stantheman]

Genny, I'm glad The Yankees are showing signs of life because it makes for a long Summer with Them 13 games out of it.
Manny; Manny's "The Natural".
He plays Baseball the way it's meant to be played.
Someone who was at The Cleveland Series went to a Health Club at 10am
and Manny was there putting in a conditioning workout.
When I hear people who know absolutely zilch about Manny's philanthropical
work not only in the New England Area but in Florida as well saying bad things about a regular guy who's personal belief is don't brag about helping - just help - it makes me very angry.
Manny Ramirez is one The Good Guys.
That's really the whole makeup of The Boston Red Sox.
It's what they look for.

[Filthy McNasty]

Originally Posted by genny

everyone here who likes baseball needs to read "baseball between the numbers"

or at least look at baseball a little more openly ...

I keep reading the same crap that gets regurgitated by old man sportscasters..

"players get too much"

"arod sucks in the post season"

etc. etc.

that whole red sox nation rant is hilarious.... I love the gross generalization that "just because an individual likes the red sox, the are a great human beings"

who can argue with that?


i jsut puked from laughing.

Whenever a team sign a player to one of these huge contracts it is the fans who go to the games get who hit with the cost. For example, the last time I went to Yankee Stadium it cost $5 for a hot dog and $7.50 for a beer. The ticket prices go up every year. I saw the Red Sox play in Cleveland last year and I found it to be quite affordable. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON'T SIGN PLAYERS TO THESE DUMB CONTRACTS!!!!! Two games in Cleveland for the price one in New York. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A $200,000,000 PAYROLL!!!!! And Fenway is not much cheaper than Yankee Stadium. I love going to the games but the cost is chasing me away. it is time for a salary cap so that only the elite players get the big contracts. And that is why I am ready to blow off MLB.

A-Rod's career playoff numbers:
35 games .280 ave. 6 hr 16 rbi .375 obp Not as bad as I thought. The last three years in N.Y. has seen a dramatic decline in playoff performance averages and totals. So I was ALMOST correct in my opinion of A-Rod's playoff numbers. I was wrong.

[getbent]

Filthy,
I dig the logic but... for just a Chris Rock minute... I would pay the price of a ticket to NOT be in Cleveland and pay that same price once again to be in NY. The Jake is a nice yard (being nice here) but Yankee Stadium alone is worth the price of admission (or hotdog) and Lou Boudreau, Herb Score and Bob Feller notwithstanding... going to a game in Cleveland is going to a game in Cleveland... it is by all means a different type of value sell.

[stantheman]

As far as Stadiums go I really wanna go to Wrigley Field because it's Wrigley Field. I'd feel the same way about Fenway but I've been going there since I've been 5 years old. It's still magical walking in, I just wanna see The Grand Dame of The Senior Circuit in person.
The Jake and Camden Yards are both really nice layouts.
Yankee Stadium, for some reason I've got no interest in going there and it used to be on my "must go to" list.
Times change.
I'd rather go to Shea and see The Mets and Willie Randolph.
Truthfully - I'm "Yankee'd Out" the mystique is ancient history just like my beloved Boston Celtics who are no more.
The Celtics screwed up another Draft.
For the first time since Ewing they had a chance at a great Center.
They passed on Noah.
I like Big Al but they funk'd up not taking Noah and moving Jefferson to get Ray Allen (whom I still think has seen his salad days).
Ain't nobody 'cept me gonna watch The NBA anyways this year...

[Oskar]

Also by calling "MINE" while standing behind someone trying to field a fly-ball.

This is pretty petty. If a professional ballplayer catching a ball falls for this then they have no business playing in the major leagues. What fans yell at players in the field is way worse than A-Rod yelling "MINE". Plus players do all sorts of things to each other. Anyone who thinks their team is pristine, upstanding, honest, brave, clean, cheerful, thrifty & reverent is rooting for a bunch of Boy Scouts, not a professional baseball team.

[stantheman]

Originally Posted by Oskar

This is pretty petty. If a professional ballplayer catching a ball falls for this then they have no business playing in the major leagues. What fans yell at players in the field is way worse than A-Rod yelling "MINE". Plus players do all sorts of things to each other. Anyone who thinks their team is pristine, upstanding, honest, brave, clean, cheerful, thrifty & reverent is rooting for a bunch of Boy Scouts, not a professional baseball team.

Well Oskar "The True King" - Henry Aaron will probably take issue with You.
Henry very recently has stated that Gaylord Perry should not be in Cooperstown regardless of his 300 Wins because he threw a spitter.
I've always felt that guys "doctoring" baseballs was part of The Game but many hitters feel differently. I'll mourn my favorite Sport when Barry Bonds eclipses Henry's HR Record because it's not a righteous achievement in fact
it's not even close.*
What ARod did was CHEAP and SLIMEY when two fielders collide there's always the chance of serious injury happening the guy backed off the ball for this EXACT reason - SAFETY.
Jeter wouldn't have done it.
Way too much class.

*Think about THIS; recently and I'm not sure if it was Bill James or someone else who's a "stat freak" calculated that You could give Bonds another 175 Home Runs and he STILL wouldn't eclipse Hank Aaron's Total Bases.
THAT says it all as to Who's The King.

[genny]

Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty

Whenever a team sign a player to one of these huge contracts it is the fans who go to the games get who hit with the cost. For example, the last time I went to Yankee Stadium it cost $5 for a hot dog and $7.50 for a beer. The ticket prices go up every year. I saw the Red Sox play in Cleveland last year and I found it to be quite affordable. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON'T SIGN PLAYERS TO THESE DUMB CONTRACTS!!!!! Two games in Cleveland for the price one in New York. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A $200,000,000 PAYROLL!!!!! And Fenway is not much cheaper than Yankee Stadium. I love going to the games but the cost is chasing me away. it is time for a salary cap so that only the elite players get the big contracts. And that is why I am ready to blow off MLB.

I see where you're coming from, and I understand how fans can get frustrated by athletes making millions of dollars, but unfortunately thats not how things work in baseball....

if you adjust ticket prices, and factor in inflation, the price of a ticket has barely changed since 1950, BUT the most ball parks HAVE.

but its easy for someone to get frustrated, I feel your pain.

when I was younger I use to go to Rochester Red Wing games for $2.00, then that city built a really nice ballpark, with top notch concessions, luxury boxes,
clean bathrooms, brick tiles, nice seats, etc. and the price of a ticket nearly doubled. Player salaries didn't change. And a lot of the cost of the park was supplied by "Frontier Communications"...

The owners of the ball parks determine the ticket cost, salaries do NOT.

If you do a little research, you can read on ticket prices, etc.

and like Arods stats, maybe yo won't get so frustrated.

[Oskar]

If all athletes could be like Hank Aaron or Cal Ripken we wouldn't have the NFL (National Felons League) gambling by refs in the NBA, doping in the Tour de France, steroid use in MLB, and the myriad of other disgraceful acts that have marred all sports as far as I'm concerned. Aaron stands alone, unfortunately, and while I agree with what you say, holding the rest of baseball to Aaron's standards is like expecting Paris Hilton to recite Shakespeare.

I still love baseball and always will, in spite of players like Bonds, & McGwire, & Rose, and all the spitters, deadbeats, gamblers, and mediocre players getting millions. Baseball will survive Bonds as it's moved on from McGwire, Sosa, & Rose. I have to admit I've lost all interest in football (talk about steroid use and less that honorable players), haven't watch hockey since Orr & Esposito played for the Bruins, and have come to the conclusion that each team in pro basketball should get a hundred points and they can then play for 2 minutes.

I dunno what's left... Curling, perhaps?

[Filthy McNasty]

oops!

[Filthy McNasty]

How is this for research?
Yankees payroll $191,289,045
seat 20 rows behind home plate $360
Indians payroll $63,703,267
seat 20 rows behind home plate $46
Not exactly inflation is it?
I usually plan my vacations around baseball or music pick according to how I get the most bang for my buck so I know ticket prices. It is all about profits. An ownership group will pay anywhere from $600,000,000 to a billion dollars for a franchise these days and not only pay the players salaries but also share 50% of MLB total revenue with the players union. $252,000,000 contract for A-Rod plus a pension and now they are talking 30-40 million a year. The finances of MLB are messed up and it all comes down on the fans.

A-Rods playoff batting averages for the 2004-2006 .258, .133, .071

I don't have a problem with players making millions Derek Jeter & Manny Ramirez are one thing but Ted Lily and Gil Menche are another. It is getting out of proportion.

[Filthy McNasty]

Originally Posted by getbent

Filthy,
I dig the logic but... for just a Chris Rock minute... I would pay the price of a ticket to NOT be in Cleveland and pay that same price once again to be in NY. The Jake is a nice yard (being nice here) but Yankee Stadium alone is worth the price of admission (or hotdog) and Lou Boudreau, Herb Score and Bob Feller notwithstanding... going to a game in Cleveland is going to a game in Cleveland... it is by all means a different type of value sell.

I am there for the baseball and if I get two games even better. It doesn't matter what city or stadium to me. Nostalgia is not my thing. I grew up going to see the Red Sox play but Fenway Park needs to go no parking and obstructed veiwing. Mix the old with the new. Make the new field the exact same demensions as the current stadium and incorporate the modern touches of the new parks.

[Filthy McNasty]

Sorry about hijacking this thread with my rants. Anyway, the question was will the yankees make the playoffs? Not this year.

[dubnluvn]

If you are a Sox fan (or not) you will prolly enjoy this:

http://townienews.com

Oh and I stand by my original response, NFW the Skank's get into the playoffs. I'm sure they've already got someone polishing the golf clubs already.

[stantheman]

Originally Posted by Oskar

If all athletes could be like Hank Aaron or Cal Ripken we wouldn't have the NFL (National Felons League) gambling by refs in the NBA, doping in the Tour de France, steroid use in MLB, and the myriad of other disgraceful acts that have marred all sports as far as I'm concerned. Aaron stands alone, unfortunately, and while I agree with what you say, holding the rest of baseball to Aaron's standards is like expecting Paris Hilton to recite Shakespeare.

I still love baseball and always will, in spite of players like Bonds, & McGwire, & Rose, and all the spitters, deadbeats, gamblers, and mediocre players getting millions. Baseball will survive Bonds as it's moved on from McGwire, Sosa, & Rose. I have to admit I've lost all interest in football (talk about steroid use and less that honorable players), haven't watch hockey since Orr & Esposito played for the Bruins, and have come to the conclusion that each team in pro basketball should get a hundred points and they can then play for 2 minutes.

I dunno what's left... Curling, perhaps?

Oskar, if it was up to me I'd give You a Pulitzer Prize.
A perfect summation.
I myself have finally come to the conclusion that there is no place this Autumn for The National Football League.
The "thug life" behavior of too many of these imbeciles will no longer be tolerated by stantheman and his wallet.
There will be no trips to Foxboro for home games.
There will be no "NFL Package" for the television.
There will be no witnessiing of the Sodom&Gommorah Super Bowl Halftime Spectacular.
The NFL without sugarcoating; is an embarrassment to Society.
A "safe harbor" for hoodlums.
Even Barry Bonds and the rest of Club BALCO have a much more Human face
than these NFL sociopaths. At least Barry's not crippling people in Nightclubs.
And Mark and Sammy aren't organizing fights to the death last time I checked.

[tele-jack]

And we're back to nine games. Just a reminder since the thread has kind of strayed a bit.

[Colo Springs E]

....yep you are correct. Maybe my earlier prediction won't come thur; 9 games is going to be a bear to make up. Boston is 64-40, NY 55-49. If Boston plays .500 from here out (unlikely, I think they'll play at least a few games over .500), NY will have to go 38 and 20 to tie them.

Obviously the wild card is a much more realistic goal at this point.

[Colo Springs E]

Originally Posted by Oskar

I have to admit I've lost all interest in football (talk about steroid use and less that honorable players),

...we've both probably already lost if we try to engage in this argument, but overall, I'll put the character of NFL guys over MLB guys anyday.

And also, at least in the NFL, your entire contract isn't guaranteed (only the sign-on bonus), so there's at least SOME degree of accountability. How many times has an MLB player been suspended for a year? At least the NFL tries to do something about rogues. (Pacman Jones) MLB gives them 50,000 chances.

But more importantly, football RAWKS!! Each game is an event. MLB? On any given day a sad-sack organization like the KC Royals can whip up on the Boston Red Sox (just happened last week as I recall) and it's no big deal. The Houston Texans beating the Patriots? That'd be an upset of epic proportions, and worth talking about!

There's no comparison for me, but of course it's all personal preference.

[BakersMan]

The Baseball Season to Football season merger at the end of the summer is perfect, as is the break us Pats-Sox fans get after January until spring training...different types of drama, different players, different stress. Especially in these days of wine and roses for both organizations - Bruins and Celts got a long way to go.

A-Rod does not suck, despite what some Bosox yahoos tee-shirts say. He just...doesn't have "it." And by that, I don't mean stats. I hope to god he blows Bonds out of the water for HRs someday, and yes, I hope he does it in a Red Sox uniform. Not wanting perhaps the best player of this generation to come to your team because of a difference in team colors - even if they're black and white - is crazy. He'll get here, launch 50 HRs in a season, get some pine tar on his helmet, learn to have fun without a forced smile, and thrive. Come get me!

[stantheman]

Originally Posted by Colo Springs E

...we've both probably already lost if we try to engage in this argument, but overall, I'll put the character of NFL guys over MLB guys anyday.

And also, at least in the NFL, your entire contract isn't guaranteed (only the sign-on bonus), so there's at least SOME degree of accountability. How many times has an MLB player been suspended for a year? At least the NFL tries to do something about rogues. (Pacman Jones) MLB gives them 50,000 chances.

But more importantly, football RAWKS!! Each game is an event. MLB? On any given day a sad-sack organization like the KC Royals can whip up on the Boston Red Sox (just happened last week as I recall) and it's no big deal. The Houston Texans beating the Patriots? That'd be an upset of epic proportions, and worth talking about!

There's no comparison for me, but of course it's all personal preference.

Eric, I wish I still had the enthusiasm because I've got such a great organization here in New England. Bob Kraft is one of those people You can't help but admire for his commitment to fairness and the excellence of his Team.
All that said having knowledge of what these monsters did to those poor animals and the animals they killed in training the dogs who survived to become killers I have no desire to spend my precious time on this Earth with The NFL.
When I see those innocent eyes looking up at me with all that love and knowing what acts of sheer barbarism and cruelty were committed by this "NFL Franchise Player" it makes me wretch.
I never really forgave The NFL for many of their misdeeds of the past.
But I kept on watching the spectacle.
This was the last act for me.
If it wasn't for "The League" it's my belief that a large percentage of these so-called "Players" would be in maximum security installations.

Regardless, Roger Clemens got punched out last night but at least New York is creating some interest. I think if Joe Torre (who's another one of Baseball's
Good Guys) can get them in Wild Card Contention they could deliver in a short series - as long as they were "UP" for the opponent.
If New York fades it's gonna be a long Summer.
Then again maybe Detroit has already supplemented The Yankees as Boston's
arch nemesis.

[Colo Springs E]

Originally Posted by stantheman

Eric, I wish I still had the enthusiasm because I've got such a great organization here in New England. Bob Kraft is one of those people You can't help but admire for his commitment to fairness and the excellence of his Team.
All that said having knowledge of what these monsters did to those poor animals and the animals they killed in training the dogs who survived to become killers I have no desire to spend my precious time on this Earth with The NFL.
When I see those innocent eyes looking up at me with all that love and knowing what acts of sheer barbarism and cruelty were committed by this "NFL Franchise Player" it makes me wretch.
I never really forgave The NFL for many of their misdeeds of the past.
But I kept on watching the spectacle.
This was the last act for me.
If it wasn't for "The League" it's my belief that a large percentage of these so-called "Players" would be in maximum security installations.

Regardless, Roger Clemens got punched out last night but at least New York is creating some interest. I think if Joe Torre (who's another one of Baseball's
Good Guys) can get them in Wild Card Contention they could deliver in a short series - as long as they were "UP" for the opponent.
If New York fades it's gonna be a long Summer.
Then again maybe Detroit has already supplemented The Yankees as Boston's
arch nemesis.

Hold on just a minute--so because Michael Vick might be guilty of a heinous crime, you're going to go ahead and throw Ladanian Tomlinson, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Tiki Barber etc in with him??

What type of music do you like? Using your logic, you can't possibly play/listen to rock music, C&W, Blues, etc--there have been some AWFUL human being involved with those genres!!

Totally disagree with you on this. Everyone's got their opinion, you're certainly entitled to yours.

[dubnluvn]

Originally Posted by BakersMan

get some pine tar on his helmet

+1...I miss Trot, he always had the nastiest helmet and cap for that matter.

[bassbuster33]

Originally Posted by Colo Springs E

...we've both probably already lost if we try to engage in this argument, but overall, I'll put the character of NFL guys over MLB guys anyday.

Yeah, the NFL is full of upstanding citizens. Puhleaze.

Similarly you can't throw all of the MLB athletes under the bus for the actions of a small percentage.

I agree football has a much better grasp of it's league than baseball and basketball do. There are actual penalties for bad off of the field behavior. However, that is a very recent development. This calendar year in fact. The NFL players union deserves tons of credit for giving the NFL front office the power to discipline players as strictly as they now can.

Filthy,

The Yanks ability to charge what they do and get it, is simple economics. They are one of the most valuable franchises in all of sports. If Cleveland were in the same market position to have the same payroll and prices they would. It is that simple. It's an old problem in baseball, small vs. large market economics. Payrolls are more of symptom of the problem and not the problem itself.

I stand by my prediction, no Yankees in the playoffs.

[genny]

ok

[Scatterbrain]

Originally Posted by genny

this thread is an example of how close minded negative people are going to find something wrong with everything

I think your post is a pretty good example of that.

[genny]

ok

[Colo Springs E]

Originally Posted by bassbuster33

Yeah, the NFL is full of upstanding citizens. Puhleaze..

Tell you what, for every "bad guy" you name, I'll name a guy who does his job, doesn't get in trouble, doesn't make the police blotter, etc.

Wanna play?

[bassbuster33]

Originally Posted by Colo Springs E

Tell you what, for every "bad guy" you name, I'll name a guy who does his job, doesn't get in trouble, doesn't make the police blotter, etc.

Wanna play?

My point is the same can be done for all sports.

[Colo Springs E]

....in all sports--yes, including the NBA--MOST of the athletes are good guys.

It's the scumbags who get all the press, and that's a shame. I wish all the leagues had a "one and done" rule--I dunno, maybe give them one chance, but if you so much as sneeze after that, you're gone.

Never happen of course.

Take care, -Eric

[stantheman]

Originally Posted by Colo Springs E

Hold on just a minute--so because Michael Vick might be guilty of a heinous crime, you're going to go ahead and throw Ladanian Tomlinson, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Tiki Barber etc in with him??

What type of music do you like? Using your logic, you can't possibly play/listen to rock music, C&W, Blues, etc--there have been some AWFUL human being involved with those genres!!

Totally disagree with you on this. Everyone's got their opinion, you're certainly entitled to yours.

Eric, your righteousness is beyond question with me.
I simply can't stomach the idea of watching it any longer.
Vick is the last straw.
They're going to let him play.
There won't be a lifetime ban and there should be.
These guys were never role models in our house.
They're expert practicioners of controlled violence.
The NFL truly has become this society's "Rollerball".
The employee that was hurt in The Pacman Melee will never walk again.
Jones gets suspended for a season and a regular guy never gets to walk his daughter down the aisle, never gets to dance with his daughter on her wedding day because of this spoiled lunatic's abhorrent behavior, never gets to have a catch with his kids because of a demented egomaniac.

I do love all forms of Music I won't stop listening to Girl Groups because of an idiot like Phil Spector.
The difference is; Phil Spector will be in Jail for a long long time.
Pacman - suspended for a year.
Guy's never going to walk again, Pacman sits for the season.
Vick tortured and killed Man's Best Friend and more than that too, the sick training procedures will all come to light in this trial.
I can only hope that this monster serves his sentences consecutively, count by count and doesn't get out until he's old and elderly.

Anyways Tampa Bay - which is really St.Petersburg smoked The Red Sox this afternoon. I still find it incredible when I think of the odyssey Carlos Pena has traveled; Detroit sends him down to Toledo AFTER he ties a mark
set by Ty Cobb 70 years earlier; the Yankees pass on him in their minor league system, The Red Sox let him in "for a cup of coffee" and he's gone.
I'm just amazed at all the stuff this Kid's been through and he's still out-producing many of the so-called "superstars" of The Game.
Maybe Carlos has found a home with the lowly DevilRays who - once they get a Bullpen aren't gonna be so lowly for long.

[Colo Springs E]

Originally Posted by stantheman

I do love all forms of Music I won't stop listening to Girl Groups because of an idiot like Phil Spector.
The difference is; Phil Spector will be in Jail for a long long time.
Pacman - suspended for a year..

LOL, and how long was Spector "suspended" from music? While in jail?

We have something in our legal system called "due process." It's what prevented the courts from sentencing the Duke Lacrosse players to lengthy prison terms before there was a trial.

And by the way, how did that whole situation work out?

If Mike Vick is found not guilty, what will you do? Blame the NFL for him not going to prison?

Your arguments simply aren't logical. You're caught up in the emotion. I get tired of hearing about scummy people too; however, they're not limited to professional sports, there everywhere, in every walk of life.

[stantheman]

Can't blame The Legal System.
So I'm blamin' "the stantheman system".
Tomorrow morning the money I was gonna spend on "the super duper game day extravaganza" goes to The American Society For The Prevention Of Cruelty To Animals.
I mean it E. - I'm really through with Football.
Quits.

[Colo Springs E]

Originally Posted by stantheman

Can't blame The Legal System.
So I'm blamin' "the stantheman system".
Tomorrow morning the money I was gonna spend on "the super duper game day extravaganza" goes to The American Society For The Prevention Of Cruelty To Animals.
I mean it E. - I'm really through with Football.
Quits.

....I can subscribe to the "stanman system."

If Vick is guilty, they cannot find a punishment bad enough for him as far as I'm concerned. My opinion is he's involved. But people can't (and shouldn't) be sentenced based on initial opinions.

Your decision to give money to the ASPCA is commendable--I believe I'll go in right now and do that as well.

Take care...

-E

[chet]

Well, well, well....as of now they're tied or close to tying Cleveland for the Wild Card spot. Now it's just a question of if the Bosox will collapse for the AL East title.

[Filthy McNasty]

O.K. I am beginning to sweat abit now because both the Indians and Tigers are are playing poorly now and the lead is down to 6. I could without a pennant race this year. However anyone who thought that the Sox were going to play .700 and the yankees were going to play sub .500 ball all year is a fool. Not an excuse just a fact. It is going to be an exciting august and september.

[Colo Springs E]

Originally Posted by Colo Springs E

....I had originally figured NY would win the division in the last week of the season.

I now predict that they will be in sole possession of 1st place no later than August 30, when they will have just completed a sweep of the Red Sox.

......looking pretty good, much to my own chagrin.

Wonder if NY will end up winning the division by double-digits! LOL

[Oskar]

While getting into first would be sweet for the Yanks I think at this stage they would settle for a solid playoff position. They're probably the hottest team in baseball right now and it would be great going into the playoffs with that sort of momentum.

Hey, Red Sox fans.... "Wait 'til next year!"

[straightface]

NY isn't there yet and they have a tough stretch coming up before they play the Sox.

[chet]

Originally Posted by stantheman

Well Oskar "The True King" - Henry Aaron will probably take issue with You.
Henry very recently has stated that Gaylord Perry should not be in Cooperstown regardless of his 300 Wins because he threw a spitter.
I've always felt that guys "doctoring" baseballs was part of The Game but many hitters feel differently. I'll mourn my favorite Sport when Barry Bonds eclipses Henry's HR Record because it's not a righteous achievement in fact
it's not even close.*
What ARod did was CHEAP and SLIMEY when two fielders collide there's always the chance of serious injury happening the guy backed off the ball for this EXACT reason - SAFETY.
Jeter wouldn't have done it.
Way too much class.

*Think about THIS; recently and I'm not sure if it was Bill James or someone else who's a "stat freak" calculated that You could give Bonds another 175 Home Runs and he STILL wouldn't eclipse Hank Aaron's Total Bases.
THAT says it all as to Who's The King.

Gimmee a break- if those guys are dumb enough to fall for that then they should be playing softball somewhere not MLB.

[chet]

They beat Cleveland tonight.