Pushy reporter? check. P'd off store owner? check. Camera? CHECK!

[SMPTE]

I don't condone violence, but there's something hilarious about Canadians going ape....

http://consumerist.com/consumer/clip...lls-235128.php

Plus of course the reporter abuse. ahhhhh reporter abuse.

[PraiseCaster]

Now that was a world class Hissy-Fit! I think that designer glasses counterfieter deserves an award of some sort!

[Tremo]

Anyone who defrauds or lies to the people deserves to rot in hell.

[markothefish]

Let me see ... He hits a 75 y.o. man in the face with a door .
Sells counterfit glasses to unsuspecting customers .
Throws snowballs and locks himself in his store . Yaaa this guy will have fun in county lockup tonight , what a little punk A** B***H .....

[TeleTurkey]

I don't know this particular reporter, but he probably couldn't be happier. Too many of these guys (reporters) are more interested in the story than the truth. If one of these reporters decides you're guilty you are going to pay whether it's true or not. Tons of power with absolutely no responsibility.

[zombywoof]

Didn't ya'll see the story. This optician had been charging folks through the ying yang for glasses (one lady paid as much as $700). He then refused to even give the customers the glasses they had paid for. The news station was called and went to investigate the complaints. Upon arriving the reporter was attacked by the optician. The optician apparently then called the newsroom to apologize. When the reporter returned he was again set upon by this lunatic business owner.

[Tremo]

Originally Posted by TeleTurkey

I don't know this particular reporter, but he probably couldn't be happier. Too many of these guys (reporters) are more interested in the story than the truth. If one of these reporters decides you're guilty you are going to pay whether it's true or not. Tons of power with absolutely no responsibility.

Sounds like you are describing the FOX Noise Channel.

[stevieboy]

Originally Posted by TeleTurkey

Too many of these guys (reporters) are more interested in the story than the truth. If one of these reporters decides you're guilty you are going to pay whether it's true or not. Tons of power with absolutely no responsibility.

I have a feeling their legal departments wouldn't agree with this.

[SMPTE]

Originally Posted by stevieboy

I have a feeling their legal departments wouldn't agree with this.

Yeah but everybody who's ever had to work in a newsroom would.

[Telenator]

I don't care what the guy did. I'd pay to see the news media get their reckless, sensationalizing, misrepresenting, out of context, word twisting, lying, scumbag butts kicked from here to Katmandu. I thoroughly despise the news media and the disinformation they feed the public every day. Sure, the shop owner is a dirt bag for cheating people, but so is the news guy for what he does every day. Let them kill eachother and the world will be a better place!

[TeleTurkey]

Originally Posted by stevieboy

I have a feeling their legal departments wouldn't agree with this.

Really? I've never heard of a news outlet paying a settlement or losing in court. Dan Rather is the only one I"ve heard of paying some kind of price...and he took on the President of the United States! (I'm not defending Rather, I think he's a scumbag and got less than he deserved.) How can an honest little guy defend themselves from a defaming TV broadcast or newspaper article? These guys only need a "source" and then they can broadcast any garbage they want. They won't be liable, the source will.

[woodman]

Originally Posted by TeleTurkey

Really? I've never heard of a news outlet paying a settlement or losing in court. Dan Rather is the only one I"ve heard of paying some kind of price...and he took on the President of the United States! (I'm not defending Rather, I think he's a scumbag and got less than he deserved.) How can an honest little guy defend themselves from a defaming TV broadcast or newspaper article? These guys only need a "source" and then they can broadcast any garbage they want. They won't be liable, the source will.

so, in your opinion, all news is garbage and all journalists are scum? just checking.

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by Telenator

I don't care what the guy did. I'd pay to see the news media get their reckless, sensationalizing, misrepresenting, out of context, word twisting, lying, scumbag butts kicked from here to Katmandu.

Ah...so you think a business owner defrauding the public is preferable to someone letting the public know how he is stealing from them.

Sounds a bit odd to me.

Jim

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by TeleTurkey

How can an honest little guy defend themselves from a defaming TV broadcast or newspaper article?

How about an example of an honest little guy who who was defamed.

Jim

[mudshark]

Originally Posted by TeleTurkey

I don't know this particular reporter, but he probably couldn't be happier. Too many of these guys (reporters) are more interested in the story than the truth. If one of these reporters decides you're guilty you are going to pay whether it's true or not. Tons of power with absolutely no responsibility.

Where do you get that bit of hocus pocus? I worked 14 years as a news reporter, and that crapola strikes me as quite a generalization.

[SMPTE]

Originally Posted by mudshark

Where do you get that bit of hocus pocus? I worked 14 years as a news reporter, and that crapola strikes me as quite a generalization.

I know where my anti-reporter bias comes from, discovering one too many cameras that were more spherical than oblong with a note saying "I think it's broken" or "I need this tape for the 10!".

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by SMPTE

I know where my anti-reporter bias comes from, discovering one too many cameras that were more spherical than oblong with a note saying "I think it's broken" or "I need this tape for the 10!".

What does that mean?

Jim

[SMPTE]

They tend to break things that I used to have to fix. It's a bizzare symbiotic relation ship between engineers and the reporters at TV stations.

[TeleTurkey]

Originally Posted by woodman

so, in your opinion, all news is garbage and all journalists are scum? just checking.

Not at all.

I do believe that ethics in journalism needs a rebirth. I don't mind investigative reporting, but who is investigating them? Reporters are people and some percentage of people are dirtbags. The power of the pen/television is great. I see very few reporters/journalists getting called on the carpet. I think it's a problem because of the power they wield and how little accountability there seems to be.

[TeleTurkey]

Originally Posted by mudshark

Where do you get that bit of hocus pocus? I worked 14 years as a news reporter, and that crapola strikes me as quite a generalization.

Personal experience.

A gereralization? Perhaps. Much like a lot of the reporting I witness.

Sorry if you're insulted, but I get insulted about my profession as well, often by the press.

[mudshark]

Originally Posted by TeleTurkey

Personal experience.

A gereralization? Perhaps. Much like a lot of the reporting I witness.

Sorry if you're insulted, but I get insulted about my profession as well, often by the press.

Not insulted, just amazed at such a smallminded post, I guess.

[TeleTurkey]

Originally Posted by mudshark

Not insulted, just amazed at such a smallminded post, I guess.

If doubting the intentions of reporters/journalists is smallmided, guilty as charged. I thought about calling you a name too, but I shall resist.

[getbent]

My experience in getting interviewed and having things appear in the paper and in reading several papers and watching the news isn't that journalists are any more honest or dishonest than anyone else. I have mightily disagreed with how stories were told... but in the end I came to believe that journalists are just people doing a job and bringing to that job whatever skills and bias they carry with them.

On the National Level...
I do believe that a general lack of courage exists among our media in the past 10 years or so where they have stopped reporting the news as much as trying to get the story about the story. I also think that the influence of the business side of the house has deformed much of the reportage.

The history of news gathering is no more noble than the robber barons and in the last 150 years it has been the ebb and flow of reformation and corporate control. We are just in an unfortunate part of that history right now.

I think that the store owners actions are reprehensible, but I also think that the story became the reporter instead of it being the cheat. I say "tell the story" and be as transparent to the story as you can be. that is a tall order... but what I'd prefer...


BTW, a story where the little guy got skewered and was completely and totally innocent. Go check out the McMartin case and about 40 other cases in south Florida from the 80's where the press absolutely ruined people's lives where had they done due diligence they would have presumed innocence.

[teleman65]

Originally Posted by TeleTurkey

Really? I've never heard of a news outlet paying a settlement or losing in court. Dan Rather is the only one I"ve heard of paying some kind of price...and he took on the President of the United States! (I'm not defending Rather, I think he's a scumbag and got less than he deserved.) How can an honest little guy defend themselves from a defaming TV broadcast or newspaper article? These guys only need a "source" and then they can broadcast any garbage they want. They won't be liable, the source will.

Silverman has been pretty good about owning up when he's been misinformed and wrong. At least he doesn't do Entertainment reporting gossip crap.

[Mark N]

[quote=SMPTE]I don't condone violence, but there's something hilarious about Canadians going ape....

Would it have been just as funny if this came out of the US? I think so

[Telenator]

Originally Posted by jwsamuel

Ah...so you think a business owner defrauding the public is preferable to someone letting the public know how he is stealing from them.

Sounds a bit odd to me.

Jim

I think that the news media defrauding the public everyday is a much larger crime as it affects several million more people than one shop owner does. Just a different perspective.

[mellecaster]

Originally Posted by Tremo

Sounds like you are describing the FOX Noise Channel.

Might do you well to review the Posting Guidlines again.......

[1293]

Originally Posted by getbent

On the National Level...
I do believe that a general lack of courage exists among our media in the past 10 years or so where they have stopped reporting the news as much as trying to get the story about the story. I also think that the influence of the business side of the house has deformed much of the reportage.

You're right on. They simply spit back what it spoon fed to them. No journalism to be found. Maybe they're afraid of being accused of bias if they point out that something someone says is actually wrong.

[woodman]

it's become easy for those in power to manipulate the press, and the press has rolled over for it. newspapers are desperate to maintain advertising, and TV sensationalizes to get ratings, which equal ad dollars. reporters and their assigning editors don't want to rock the boat by pursuing ugly truths -- or else they trumpet ugly half-truths as fact.

as a member of the working press for several decades, i was sickened by how the media degenerated from about 1990 on. there are still "real" reporters and editors that adhere to true journalistic standards, but they're held on a short leash by management. i mourn the decay of journalism as i knew it, and regret that readers/viewers never know what to believe and that the media don't pursue the news objectively. but i'd a lot rather live in a country that at least pays lip service to the First Amendment than one where all you get is the official line

[TeleTurkey]

Originally Posted by woodman

it's become easy for those in power to manipulate the press, and the press has rolled over for it. newspapers are desperate to maintain advertising, and TV sensationalizes to get ratings, which equal ad dollars. reporters and their assigning editors don't want to rock the boat by pursuing ugly truths -- or else they trumpet ugly half-truths as fact.

as a member of the working press for several decades, i was sickened by how the media degenerated from about 1990 on. there are still "real" reporters and editors that adhere to true journalistic standards, but they're held on a short leash by management. i mourn the decay of journalism as i knew it, and regret that readers/viewers never know what to believe and that the media don't pursue the news objectively. but i'd a lot rather live in a country that at least pays lip service to the First Amendment than one where all you get is the official line

I couldn't agree more. The source of the problem in journalism is money, much like everywhere else.

"Investigative Reporting" tends to be some of the worst IMO.

Here in Raleigh one of the stations does what they call "5 on Your Side" where they follow up with businesses that seem to have screwed someone. They show the consumer's side of the issue and give the business a chance to respond. Usually it's termed a "misunderstanding" and the customer gets what they need. They DON'T take a camera and force it in anyone's face. If the business chooses not to go on camera the reporter says just that.

Other than sensationalism there is no need to follow people around with cameras. Think of what could have happened in this case. The guy gets all bent and they send in a heavily armed police squad! There was no indication he had any weapons, so why do they need police with heavy weapons and riot gear? A couple of armed cops at both doors would have done the job. A strange noise and this guy could have ended up dead.

[Charlie Bernstein]

TeleTurkey - For one answer your question about who's keeping an eye on the press, see: http://www.fair.org

I love these folks.

PS - I thought this was some pretty straight TV journalism. They found a con artist bully and went after him. Small fish, yes, but oh-so tasty fried. I don't think the news team went in expecting to have to hold the guy's door shut until the cops got there!

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by Telenator

I think that the news media defrauding the public everyday is a much larger crime as it affects several million more people than one shop owner does. Just a different perspective.

How about an example?

Jim

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by getbent

BTW, a story where the little guy got skewered and was completely and totally innocent. Go check out the McMartin case and about 40 other cases in south Florida from the 80's where the press absolutely ruined people's lives where had they done due diligence they would have presumed innocence.

If you look at the McMartin case, it was the police and prosecutors who were out of control and the news media that brought the truth to light.

Jim

[jwsamuel]

I couldn't agree with you more. I was a reporter until the mid 1980s and noticed the same degeneration starting about the time you noted.

Jim

Originally Posted by woodman

it's become easy for those in power to manipulate the press, and the press has rolled over for it. newspapers are desperate to maintain advertising, and TV sensationalizes to get ratings, which equal ad dollars. reporters and their assigning editors don't want to rock the boat by pursuing ugly truths -- or else they trumpet ugly half-truths as fact.

as a member of the working press for several decades, i was sickened by how the media degenerated from about 1990 on. there are still "real" reporters and editors that adhere to true journalistic standards, but they're held on a short leash by management. i mourn the decay of journalism as i knew it, and regret that readers/viewers never know what to believe and that the media don't pursue the news objectively. but i'd a lot rather live in a country that at least pays lip service to the First Amendment than one where all you get is the official line

[TeleTurkey]

Originally Posted by jwsamuel

How about an example of an honest little guy who who was defamed.

Jim

I'm not familiar with a little guy in this situation. I am familiar with a situation with a big company where the media consistently got their facts wrong because of poor due-diligence. A specific reporter from a national newspaper continued to quote a source, considered by most colleagues to be a loon, and refused to print data from the company that would refute the charges. Eventually this reporter quit writing newspaper articles about the story so he could write a book that, thankfully, failed miserably. Another newspaper had to print a front page retraction of an "investigative story" where the reporters main source was identified as a "former sheriff's deputy" when in fact he was fired for selling and distributing illegal substances and did time. They knew this about the source weeks in advance of the article being published but made no effort to include this information or change the article.

The big company was able to fight back because they had the money to investigate the article. A small business or person likely could never do that type of work and the information would be forever unchallenged.

I may not have an example of a little guy, but are you telling us that it never happens?

[getbent]

Originally Posted by jwsamuel

If you look at the McMartin case, it was the police and prosecutors who were out of control and the news media that brought the truth to light.

Jim

I beg to differ with you. I know quite a bit about that case (not jut reading) and you couldn't be more incorrect. The media was so intimately involved in the case and with police and DA that they chose sides. Only after many, many years and after many ruined lives was there meager reportage about how ridiculous the original charges were.

You are dead wrong on this, sorry.