I got a request from Illumina records off myspace...

teledude66 · January 9th, 2007, 09:22 AM

I got a request for one our songs to be put on a compilation cd from Illumina records. It looks legit they even told me where to check their credentials, and gave me a phone number to call to get in touch with them. Any other myspace bands get this? They claim only 20 bands from each city are chosen and they promise headling spots, exposure, and other "band candy". They gave me several sites to check out, and they seem to be making several comps in cities around the country. The song they "chose" has gotten us in a battle of the bands where they went soley on original song submissions, and it is the better of the songs we have posted.

So is it too good to be true, or is it the knock on the door...lol?

e-merlin · January 9th, 2007, 10:32 AM

I'd be leery until I did some searching on my own. At least Google them.

johnreardon · January 9th, 2007, 10:40 AM

They seem to be popular on myspace

have a web site at http://www.illuminarecords.com/

They seem to get people to contribute songs for compilation CDs. Not sureof they pay the bands anything. Take a look at this contract

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&cd=10

jlrich · January 9th, 2007, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnreardon

They seem to be popular on myspace

have a web site at http://www.illuminarecords.com/

They seem to get people to contribute songs for compilation CDs. Not sureof they pay the bands anything. Take a look at this contract

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&cd=10

According to their contract you're entitled to NOTHING.

teledude66 · January 9th, 2007, 11:13 AM

thanks for the feedback, and links. It looks like they also want you to spend 600$s upfront. Don't know if I want to spend 600$s like that, sounds like pay to play...

johnreardon · January 9th, 2007, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlrich

According to their contract you're entitled to NOTHING.

That's the point I was making

The performer or performers agree that they will be entitled to absolutely nothing in the way of financial compensation relative to the sale & distribution of Seattle Rockers For Life CD.

jlrich · January 9th, 2007, 11:52 AM

Encouraging isn't it? Sounds like something the ditz in Bill Hullett's thread would fall for.

jonzer · January 9th, 2007, 12:20 PM

They came after us. We declined.

teledude66 · January 9th, 2007, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzer

They came after us. We declined.

I'm sure that's going to be our course of action also...lol. Like the bass player said, "600$s will buy a lot of gear". While we're at it does anybody pay out for an agent or booking firm?

Daddy Elmis · January 9th, 2007, 01:39 PM

I used an agent when I lived in Colorado to book me for solo stuff -- he got 10% (mid-80's) and booked me as much as I could play for good money. A very good experience. I've had others, more in a "one-off" type of arrangement take 10-15%, and book us in places we didn't fit.

Agents can work out well, but like everything you gotta do your homework.

popthree · January 9th, 2007, 02:18 PM

you would be better off putting your own compilation CD together, and soliciting other's to pony up 6 bills to your little company.

Big John · January 9th, 2007, 03:53 PM

Hold on a minute Teledude, before you dismiss it totally, is there any way you can contact any of the bands they have already performed this 'service' for ?
If they can genuinely get you exposure in other cities maybe you could get something out of it ?, $600 will buy you a lot of gear, it might also buy you publicity and exposure worth alot more than that !
Of course, it might just all be 'too good too be true' (as these things so often are) but it might be worth investigating if they have done it before.
Just make sure you own the song in the legal sense and they cant put their names on it !

Good luck.

randyilluminarecords · January 11th, 2007, 01:36 PM

Hello Ladies and Gentleman, my name Is Randy I am one of the executives here at Illumina Records and I would love the opportunity to chat with anyone interested in getting to the bottom of this topic, and getting the facts. I love this Blog. We are a company FOR the musicians and it is good to know that a lot of the bands and solo artists out there are in fact doing their homework before working with some random company on the web. Trust me there are a lot of companies out there that taking advantage of local bands and you SHOULD BE WEARY. I am excited to share some facts with all of you, not to "sell" you or even encourage you to work with us, but more importantly to educate all of those interested in our objectives.

Our Company was developed to achieve two very important things.

1. Spread the message to the masses about the dangers of Drunk Driving.
2. Help local musicians get the exposure that they may not have the means to get otherwise.

I can be reached anytime at 978-236-4082 for those of you out there that would like answers to your specific questions.

It is so important for musicians these days to get exposure and publicity but more importantly to get that exposure from the right places. I am in complete agreement that bands and musicians should choose wisely when working with companies around the country because there are a lot of companies out there that give us a bad name and cause blogs just like this one to challenge our efforts.

Just because we offer a compilation album does not mean that we are simply another scammy company. We are the premier organization that cares about musicians all of the country, we care about your fans because without fans the music industry is challenging, and we want to work with musicians that are not afraid to stand up and say .."HEY it is ok to party, it is ok to drink, but let's all do it RESPONSIBLY!"

Our program is many things but nothing about our program that is untrue, unfair, scammy, or immoral. Actually the exact opposite. We have a staff of almost thirty people, not including interns and every one of us strive with all of might to help musicians achieve their goals and if we can save just one life in the process then it is all worth it.

We have a contract that gets signed with every musician that works with us that states the following:

"GROUND CONTROL/Illumina Records agree that it has absolutely no further or future rights to any song donated to the _________________ Rockers For Life Project.
GROUND CONTROL/Illumina Records agree that the below signed performer continues and retains, for all future purposes, all copyrights to said song. This includes, but is not limited to, any and all songwriting royalties, song copyrights and song publishing royalties."

It is YOUR music, not ours, these songs are you artwork and creative genius, NOT OURS. At no point do we ever get the rights to your music, because WE DONT WANT IT! That is what those scammy compilation companies do, they get the rights to your music and then they own it! Not us.

We specifically care about the bands we work with, we have helped many many bands get career changing opportunities and tons of radio airplay , helped bands sell tons of albums, get tons of fans, and all we ask for is a thank you. We do this work to thank the musicians that help us in the fight against drunk driving.

I will discuss the upfront payment. I want to remind every single reader out there that every single product, service, amplifier, microphone stand, PA, guitar , drum kit.. and so on , on the planet require an upfront payment. That is what makes the world go round. Paying for services. I do not know one single product on the planet, or company that sells a service and gives the buyer the opportunity to get their money back, make money as well and keep the product. WE DO!

Not a lot of things in this world that are a product or service is free. That is crazy. Every single company on the planet has to pay for advertising, exposure, pr, staff and it is no different for bands and musicians. You pay for a website, you pay for press photos, you pay to get posters made, and flyers, and you pay for all of your equipment , you pay to have your music mixed, mastered, pressed, duped and distributed....

If you are a band that wants to make it big you realize that you cant just keep jammin in the basement, or playing the same bar, and expect to get the exposure you deserve. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Well no more. Ground Control and Illumina records is just that opportunity. We give the musicians a way to get noticed , a way to get exposure and a way to make a difference. Without it costing even one penny.

WE ARE NOT JUST A STUPID COMPILATION ALBUM COMPANY! That is just the tip of the Iceberg, and if that was all we offered I WOULDNT DO IT EITHER!!!!!

First you should know that the song donated to the project must be around four minutes in length and contain no profanity! As soon as the album is done we send you 50 copies. Then we put them in the local record stores for sale to the general public.
Next we send out your song as an electronic press kit to all the local radio stations, college and university radio stations, every club, newspaper, and magazine in your area locally.
Nationally we send it to 123 records labels. These are both major and independent labels. All the music goes as solicited to our connections at these labels. So the music will most definitely be heard meaning you will want to give us your best written and recorded song.

This first link is a 25 page pdf file that states our mission, philosophy, and exactly what bands receive.
http://preventdrunkdriving.org/rocke...ckers_2006.pdf

This link below is an example of the MySpace page that gets sent out to one million people on MySpace. Thats right 500,000 friend requests locally then again nationally. You would receive two custom designed posters that link directly to your MySpace page when someone clicks on one of them. That is how we generate an overflow of traffic to your MySpace.

www.myspace.com/chicago_rockers

Your band gets a cover story on CUSP magazine! We send it out to 10,000 people on MySpace when you are on the cover. Fans can also find your cover story at the magazine’s website! The best benefit is once you upload those files you get to put it on your MySpace or website. You get to keep it there as a marketing tool forever. Keep in mind it takes the average person 8-12 minutes to read the interview with your band that is inside the magazine. The whole time they are reading that interview your music is playing from your page. 8-12 minutes could be 3 or 4 songs.

http://www.cuspthemagazine.com/backissues.htm

We do not want to make money off of the bands, but we do need to re-coup our labor costs in order to stay in business, keep saving lives, and keep helping bands. Obviously, there is a lot of work, time and resources that goes into all this publicity. As soon as we sign on a band we go to work on building websites, writing code, getting pictures, logos, quotes, interviews. Not to mention the cost of mastering, printing, replicating and distributing a CD all over the country…..You get the picture….It’s a huge project.

The way we recoup our labor costs is simple. The 50 compilation albums we send you as part of the project retail for twelve (12) dollars each. So when you sell those albums it generates $600. That is what each band has to pay upfront so that we know they are serious. When the CD is finished we mail you the 50 copies and you can sell them to get back every penny you put upfront. So literally you get about $10,000 worth of publicity for free.

Some bands will simply do one gig and charge a 12 dollar cover at the door and the first fifty people to show up get a free album! I have paid a lot of cover charges in my life and I never got anything except entrance into the venue. Some bands just give the album away and look at the 600 as a great investment in thier future.

It is important to all that read this to know that all of this publicity and work, posters and such should cost thousands of dollars in the retail market.

If we simply take a bands word for it that they want to be on this project, and we start going to work for bands and doing 25 hours of labor to provide our services, we print up four thousand album covers and a band breaks up, we are screwed. We have to throw away all four thousand album covers and start over. A great way for us to separate the serious bands from all of the others is to charge a 600 dollar retainer up front, which the band will get back as long as they remain on the project. It is that simple, pay us a measly 600 bucks which we can spread out over time to help the bands out and we do all of the work and you get the 600 back!

It doesn’t get any better.

We are as real and as legit as it gets. We have had growing pains as a company, we will have more. We have made mistakes, we will make more. We need support form musicians all over the country, not road blocks. We are a company made up of musicians for the musicians and we believe in doing what is right.

If anyone has any questions I have posted my personal # in this blog. Call me and ask., get the facts, not the assumptions. We are working with huge acts all over the country, names that every single one of you know, I will be more than happy to share those names with you. Good luck, I wish all of you all of the success in the world and I hope we get an opportunity to work together.

Stay humble, ask for help, get the facts and you will become as big as you want to.

Randy
Illumina Records/ Ground Control

jlrich · January 11th, 2007, 01:46 PM

So basically anyone on the compilation is getting "$600 worth of advertising" and nothing else correct? And your company is making money...or at least trying to...right?

morroben · January 11th, 2007, 01:54 PM

Nice of him to cut and paste that into our "blog".

popthree · January 11th, 2007, 02:01 PM

your contract actually says you agree to submit the record to "100 record companies around the world" this is vague...which means, it could be 100 tiny record companies in India or anywhere.

do you have some credible references?

davidge1 · January 11th, 2007, 02:07 PM

ANY company that asks you to put up money like that is a scam. They're in business to make money, and they make the majority of their money from what they collect from the bands, NOT the sale of the cd.

McClintic Sphere · January 11th, 2007, 02:07 PM

pyramid scheme

randyilluminarecords · January 12th, 2007, 11:09 AM

We have connections to 123 major and idie labels. We submit the music to 100 of the most appropriate for your genre.

Other than the exposure and publicity the bands are left with 4 ad-agency quality posters that they can keep forever, for show posters. THey receive 50 copies of the album, they get their own issue of Cusp magazine, with them featured on the cover to post on their sites forever and we build each band an epk.

THanks,
Wish you all the best.

jlrich · January 12th, 2007, 11:20 AM

Thank you...but, no thanks.

chickenpicker · January 12th, 2007, 12:35 PM

At least Randy took the time to explain his company's philosophy. Thanks Randy.

The next question is one of proof that this system works: can anyone show which bands have benefitted financially from this venture?

jlrich · January 12th, 2007, 01:12 PM

I know this normal across the board and is just part of the business, but out of all the record labels that receive the compliation album, how many are actually going to listen to it at all? Out of all the stuff they receive most of it gets overlooked, trashed, given away to friends & employees, or just get lost in the shuffle.

CSS · January 12th, 2007, 02:16 PM

Hello ladys and gentlemen, my name is Craig. I want to know: The heck did I just read? Seems this falls in the give me your account password file.
I want to know the name of say, 10% of the major record labels that have a true connection with said company. Make that 5% if a contact name can be supplied with that. I don't mean joe sucker records, I mean the real deal.

MOST IMPORTANTLY:

How did this guy all of a sudden get to this website so quickly after the first post was made?
Did Randy not read the rules for joining and posting here? As in no commercial postings!

January 9th, 2007, 09:22 AM	#1 (permalink)
teledude66 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lawndale,N.C. Age: 42 Posts: 2,752 20 Photos	Compilation CD from Illumina records off myspace???? I got a request for one our songs to be put on a compilation cd from Illumina records. It looks legit they even told me where to check their credentials, and gave me a phone number to call to get in touch with them. Any other myspace bands get this? They claim only 20 bands from each city are chosen and they promise headling spots, exposure, and other "band candy". They gave me several sites to check out, and they seem to be making several comps in cities around the country. The song they "chose" has gotten us in a battle of the bands where they went soley on original song submissions, and it is the better of the songs we have posted. So is it too good to be true, or is it the knock on the door...lol? __________________ The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist. Last edited by teledude66; January 9th, 2007 at 10:13 AM. Reason: clarification

January 9th, 2007, 10:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
johnreardon Tele-Holic Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brackley, Northants, UK Age: 62 Posts: 596	They seem to be popular on myspace have a web site at http://www.illuminarecords.com/ They seem to get people to contribute songs for compilation CDs. Not sureof they pay the bands anything. Take a look at this contract http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&cd=10 __________________

January 9th, 2007, 11:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
teledude66 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lawndale,N.C. Age: 42 Posts: 2,752 20 Photos	thanks for the feedback, and links. It looks like they also want you to spend 600$s upfront. Don't know if I want to spend 600$s like that, sounds like pay to play... __________________ The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.

January 9th, 2007, 11:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
jlrich Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Marion, NC Age: 42 Posts: 1,156 6 Photos	Encouraging isn't it? Sounds like something the ditz in Bill Hullett's thread would fall for. __________________ MySpace YouTube

January 9th, 2007, 12:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
jonzer Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,122	They came after us. We declined. __________________ http://816rocks.com/

January 9th, 2007, 01:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
Daddy Elmis Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: USA Posts: 961	I used an agent when I lived in Colorado to book me for solo stuff -- he got 10% (mid-80's) and booked me as much as I could play for good money. A very good experience. I've had others, more in a "one-off" type of arrangement take 10-15%, and book us in places we didn't fit. Agents can work out well, but like everything you gotta do your homework. __________________ Elwood: Good evening ladies and gentlemen, we're sure glad to be here in Cocomo tonight. We're the Good Ole' Blues Brothers Boys Band from Chicago. I sure hope you like our show. I'm Elwood, this here's my brother Jake.

January 9th, 2007, 02:18 PM	#11 (permalink)
popthree Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tulsa Age: 43 Posts: 2,962 49 Photos	you would be better off putting your own compilation CD together, and soliciting other's to pony up 6 bills to your little company. __________________ "chips are falling....." -Dr. Johnny Fever

January 9th, 2007, 03:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
Big John Friend of Leo's Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Suffolk UK Posts: 4,879 36 Photos	Hold on a minute Teledude, before you dismiss it totally, is there any way you can contact any of the bands they have already performed this 'service' for ? If they can genuinely get you exposure in other cities maybe you could get something out of it ?, $600 will buy you a lot of gear, it might also buy you publicity and exposure worth alot more than that ! Of course, it might just all be 'too good too be true' (as these things so often are) but it might be worth investigating if they have done it before. Just make sure you own the song in the legal sense and they cant put their names on it ! Good luck. __________________ If you are going to be a bear, be a grizzly !!

January 11th, 2007, 01:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
randyilluminarecords NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: boston Posts: 2	Hello Musicians- Illumina Records- Saving Lives...One Song at a time Hello Ladies and Gentleman, my name Is Randy I am one of the executives here at Illumina Records and I would love the opportunity to chat with anyone interested in getting to the bottom of this topic, and getting the facts. I love this Blog. We are a company FOR the musicians and it is good to know that a lot of the bands and solo artists out there are in fact doing their homework before working with some random company on the web. Trust me there are a lot of companies out there that taking advantage of local bands and you SHOULD BE WEARY. I am excited to share some facts with all of you, not to "sell" you or even encourage you to work with us, but more importantly to educate all of those interested in our objectives. Our Company was developed to achieve two very important things. 1. Spread the message to the masses about the dangers of Drunk Driving. 2. Help local musicians get the exposure that they may not have the means to get otherwise. I can be reached anytime at 978-236-4082 for those of you out there that would like answers to your specific questions. It is so important for musicians these days to get exposure and publicity but more importantly to get that exposure from the right places. I am in complete agreement that bands and musicians should choose wisely when working with companies around the country because there are a lot of companies out there that give us a bad name and cause blogs just like this one to challenge our efforts. Just because we offer a compilation album does not mean that we are simply another scammy company. We are the premier organization that cares about musicians all of the country, we care about your fans because without fans the music industry is challenging, and we want to work with musicians that are not afraid to stand up and say .."HEY it is ok to party, it is ok to drink, but let's all do it RESPONSIBLY!" Our program is many things but nothing about our program that is untrue, unfair, scammy, or immoral. Actually the exact opposite. We have a staff of almost thirty people, not including interns and every one of us strive with all of might to help musicians achieve their goals and if we can save just one life in the process then it is all worth it. We have a contract that gets signed with every musician that works with us that states the following: "GROUND CONTROL/Illumina Records agree that it has absolutely no further or future rights to any song donated to the _________________ Rockers For Life Project. GROUND CONTROL/Illumina Records agree that the below signed performer continues and retains, for all future purposes, all copyrights to said song. This includes, but is not limited to, any and all songwriting royalties, song copyrights and song publishing royalties." It is YOUR music, not ours, these songs are you artwork and creative genius, NOT OURS. At no point do we ever get the rights to your music, because WE DONT WANT IT! That is what those scammy compilation companies do, they get the rights to your music and then they own it! Not us. We specifically care about the bands we work with, we have helped many many bands get career changing opportunities and tons of radio airplay , helped bands sell tons of albums, get tons of fans, and all we ask for is a thank you. We do this work to thank the musicians that help us in the fight against drunk driving. I will discuss the upfront payment. I want to remind every single reader out there that every single product, service, amplifier, microphone stand, PA, guitar , drum kit.. and so on , on the planet require an upfront payment. That is what makes the world go round. Paying for services. I do not know one single product on the planet, or company that sells a service and gives the buyer the opportunity to get their money back, make money as well and keep the product. WE DO! Not a lot of things in this world that are a product or service is free. That is crazy. Every single company on the planet has to pay for advertising, exposure, pr, staff and it is no different for bands and musicians. You pay for a website, you pay for press photos, you pay to get posters made, and flyers, and you pay for all of your equipment , you pay to have your music mixed, mastered, pressed, duped and distributed.... If you are a band that wants to make it big you realize that you cant just keep jammin in the basement, or playing the same bar, and expect to get the exposure you deserve. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Well no more. Ground Control and Illumina records is just that opportunity. We give the musicians a way to get noticed , a way to get exposure and a way to make a difference. Without it costing even one penny. WE ARE NOT JUST A STUPID COMPILATION ALBUM COMPANY! That is just the tip of the Iceberg, and if that was all we offered I WOULDNT DO IT EITHER!!!!! First you should know that the song donated to the project must be around four minutes in length and contain no profanity! As soon as the album is done we send you 50 copies. Then we put them in the local record stores for sale to the general public. Next we send out your song as an electronic press kit to all the local radio stations, college and university radio stations, every club, newspaper, and magazine in your area locally. Nationally we send it to 123 records labels. These are both major and independent labels. All the music goes as solicited to our connections at these labels. So the music will most definitely be heard meaning you will want to give us your best written and recorded song. This first link is a 25 page pdf file that states our mission, philosophy, and exactly what bands receive. http://preventdrunkdriving.org/rocke...ckers_2006.pdf This link below is an example of the MySpace page that gets sent out to one million people on MySpace. Thats right 500,000 friend requests locally then again nationally. You would receive two custom designed posters that link directly to your MySpace page when someone clicks on one of them. That is how we generate an overflow of traffic to *your* MySpace. www.myspace.com/chicago_rockers Your band gets a cover story on CUSP magazine! We send it out to 10,000 people on MySpace when you are on the cover. Fans can also find your cover story at the magazine’s website! The best benefit is once you upload those files you get to put it on your MySpace or website. You get to keep it there as a marketing tool forever. Keep in mind it takes the average person 8-12 minutes to read the interview with your band that is inside the magazine. The whole time they are reading that interview your music is playing from your page. 8-12 minutes could be 3 or 4 songs. http://www.cuspthemagazine.com/backissues.htm We do not want to make money off of the bands, but we do need to re-coup our labor costs in order to stay in business, keep saving lives, and keep helping bands. Obviously, there is a lot of work, time and resources that goes into all this publicity. As soon as we sign on a band we go to work on building websites, writing code, getting pictures, logos, quotes, interviews. Not to mention the cost of mastering, printing, replicating and distributing a CD all over the country…..You get the picture….It’s a huge project. The way we recoup our labor costs is simple. The 50 compilation albums we send you as part of the project retail for twelve (12) dollars each. So when you sell those albums it generates $600. That is what each band has to pay upfront so that we know they are serious. When the CD is finished we mail you the 50 copies and you can sell them to get back every penny you put upfront. So literally you get about $10,000 worth of publicity for free. Some bands will simply do one gig and charge a 12 dollar cover at the door and the first fifty people to show up get a free album! I have paid a lot of cover charges in my life and I never got anything except entrance into the venue. Some bands just give the album away and look at the 600 as a great investment in thier future. It is important to all that read this to know that all of this publicity and work, posters and such should cost thousands of dollars in the retail market. If we simply take a bands word for it that they want to be on this project, and we start going to work for bands and doing 25 hours of labor to provide our services, we print up four thousand album covers and a band breaks up, we are screwed. We have to throw away all four thousand album covers and start over. A great way for us to separate the serious bands from all of the others is to charge a 600 dollar retainer up front, which the band will get back as long as they remain on the project. It is that simple, pay us a measly 600 bucks which we can spread out over time to help the bands out and we do all of the work and you get the 600 back! It doesn’t get any better. We are as real and as legit as it gets. We have had growing pains as a company, we will have more. We have made mistakes, we will make more. We need support form musicians all over the country, not road blocks. We are a company made up of musicians for the musicians and we believe in doing what is right. If anyone has any questions I have posted my personal # in this blog. Call me and ask., get the facts, not the assumptions. We are working with huge acts all over the country, names that every single one of you know, I will be more than happy to share those names with you. Good luck, I wish all of you all of the success in the world and I hope we get an opportunity to work together. Stay humble, ask for help, get the facts and you will become as big as you want to. Randy Illumina Records/ Ground Control

January 11th, 2007, 01:46 PM	#14 (permalink)
jlrich Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Marion, NC Age: 42 Posts: 1,156 6 Photos	So basically anyone on the compilation is getting "$600 worth of advertising" and nothing else correct? And your company is making money...or at least trying to...right? __________________ MySpace YouTube

January 11th, 2007, 01:54 PM	#15 (permalink)
morroben Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: california Age: 32 Posts: 2,067 18 Photos	Nice of him to cut and paste that into our "blog".

January 11th, 2007, 02:01 PM	#16 (permalink)
popthree Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tulsa Age: 43 Posts: 2,962 49 Photos	your contract actually says you agree to submit the record to "100 record companies around the world" this is vague...which means, it could be 100 tiny record companies in India or anywhere. do you have some credible references? __________________ "chips are falling....." -Dr. Johnny Fever

January 11th, 2007, 02:07 PM	#17 (permalink)
davidge1 Tele-Holic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Posts: 998	ANY company that asks you to put up money like that is a scam. They're in business to make money, and they make the majority of their money from what they collect from the bands, NOT the sale of the cd.

January 11th, 2007, 02:07 PM	#18 (permalink)
McClintic Sphere TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Denver, CO Age: 35 Posts: 14	pyramid scheme

January 12th, 2007, 11:09 AM	#19 (permalink)
randyilluminarecords NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: boston Posts: 2	Follow up to some wrong assumptions posted above. We have connections to 123 major and idie labels. We submit the music to 100 of the most appropriate for your genre. Other than the exposure and publicity the bands are left with 4 ad-agency quality posters that they can keep forever, for show posters. THey receive 50 copies of the album, they get their own issue of Cusp magazine, with them featured on the cover to post on their sites forever and we build each band an epk. THanks, Wish you all the best.

January 12th, 2007, 11:20 AM	#20 (permalink)
jlrich Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Marion, NC Age: 42 Posts: 1,156 6 Photos	Thank you...but, no thanks. __________________ MySpace YouTube

January 12th, 2007, 12:35 PM	#21 (permalink)
chickenpicker Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,060 14 Photos	At least Randy took the time to explain his company's philosophy. Thanks Randy. The next question is one of proof that this system works: can anyone show which bands have benefitted financially from this venture?

January 12th, 2007, 01:12 PM	#22 (permalink)
jlrich Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Marion, NC Age: 42 Posts: 1,156 6 Photos	I know this normal across the board and is just part of the business, but out of all the record labels that receive the compliation album, how many are actually going to listen to it at all? Out of all the stuff they receive most of it gets overlooked, trashed, given away to friends & employees, or just get lost in the shuffle. __________________ MySpace YouTube Last edited by jlrich; January 12th, 2007 at 02:35 PM.

January 12th, 2007, 02:16 PM	#23 (permalink)
CSS Tele-Holic Join Date: May 2003 Location: Myrtle Beach, SC and Augusta, GA Age: 49 Posts: 847 25 Photos	Hello ladys and gentlemen, my name is Craig. I want to know: The heck did I just read? Seems this falls in the give me your account password file. I want to know the name of say, 10% of the major record labels that have a true connection with said company. Make that 5% if a contact name can be supplied with that. I don't mean joe sucker records, I mean the real deal. MOST IMPORTANTLY: How did this guy all of a sudden get to this website so quickly after the first post was made? Did Randy not read the rules for joining and posting here? As in no commercial postings!

January 12th, 2007, 02:41 PM	#24 (permalink)
Pete Galati R.I.P. Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,104