41 years ago today...

Cassidy · January 4th, 2007, 05:32 PM

Leo sold Fender to CBS. I wonder what would have happened if he hadn't had all the sinus problems?

Cassidy

bluetele54 · January 4th, 2007, 05:34 PM

...didn't they happen???...

maestrovert · January 4th, 2007, 05:39 PM

uh, i'm pretty sure that it's been 41 years....

Cassidy · January 4th, 2007, 05:44 PM

Okay Bluetele54... rather than pop off here and say duh, I decided to expand my thinking to questions I have like... how maybe the quality of the Fender line would have stayed consistent through today and all the older strats and teles might be much less collectible and worth half what they are today. Not saying they would here... just pondering possibilities... and sort of announcing an anniversary. I think there are other things that might have happened too... like maybe no G & L.

Cassidy

Cassidy · January 4th, 2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by maestrovert

uh, i'm pretty sure that it's been 41 years....

edited that... thanks. feeling dumb here...

Cassidy

EDIT AGAIN!!! Actually it's not 2006 anymore so it's 42 years.... sheesh.

David Barnett · January 4th, 2007, 09:50 PM

Oh for a time machine and a case of Flonase...

tazzboy · January 4th, 2007, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bluetele54

...didn't they happen???...

Music Man Started offically under that name in 1974-5 and G&L a few years later.

bluetele54 · January 4th, 2007, 11:41 PM

...but had Leo not sold the company,who's to say that he wouldn't have re-tooled and made the kinds of changes he accomplished (if one chooses to view those companies as "accomplishments) with Music Man,and later, G&L???...that's why I kept my initial post short and sweet,even with an obvious "duh" quotient extant (hiya Cassidy)...what makes one think that his curiosity/business sense wouldn't have urged him on to create anew,thus moving forward in the emerging markets???...

tazzboy · January 4th, 2007, 11:54 PM

I hate say this, but Leo didn't sell by choice he was force into cause of the other business partners besides himself, George Fullerton. There were three others along with George and Leo those three sold out to CBS.

One of the People on the Peavey Amp forum who lives in Beaverton, Or. used to work for G&L and met Leo Fender and he ask Leo what happen.

bluetele54 · January 5th, 2007, 12:22 AM

...given your punctuation,and spelling,you've succeeded in confusing ol' bluetele54 here...plus,you make reference to the Fender sale by,"...the other business partners besides myself,George Fullerton."...I'm sure George,that you're not marching around saying you're a 29 year old livimg in Eugene,Oregon,are you???...forced to sell or not,the Fender legacy has lived on,for the better,and in some peoples opinion(not mine),the worst of the '70's...

bluetele54 · January 5th, 2007, 12:24 AM

...speaking of spelling "living" not "livimg"...apologies...

bluetele54 · January 5th, 2007, 12:26 AM

...AND punctuation,as there should have been a comma after the word "spelling"...bad btele,bad btele...

Cassidy · January 5th, 2007, 12:42 AM

I prefer to hypothetically imagine...

what if Leo didn't sell? And stubbornly continued to manufacture strats and teles with the same materials and consistency with very few changes as the years passed.
So basically, a 1965 tele is now the same as a 1985. Only now, the 1965 tele is judged by it's condition in much the same way everything else is today... scratches on the body - less value, fret wear - less value, faded color - less value, rusty bridge - less value. So in my hypothetical world, the 1965 tele in "poor" condition is only worth a couple hundred bucks.
And now in my hypothetical scenario, the guy on stage doesn't want to play the old faithful, beat up guitar, but a shiny new one.

Actually, the whole Fender history roughly parallels the Winchester firearm history... only the valuable Winchesters are pre 1963.

And I know... it's just pretend, but I'm in a weird mood tonight.

Cassidy

tazzboy · January 5th, 2007, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluetele54

...given your punctuation,and spelling,you've succeeded in confusing ol' bluetele54 here...plus,you make reference to the Fender sale by,"...the other business partners besides myself,George Fullerton."...I'm sure George,that you're not marching around saying you're a 29 year old livimg in Eugene,Oregon,are you???...forced to sell or not,the Fender legacy has lived on,for the better,and in some peoples opinion(not mine),the worst of the '70's...

No my bad spelling did that. Plus my not editing it before pressing the sumit reply kind of got me in trouble.

Dave Hopping · January 5th, 2007, 01:20 AM

If Leo hadn't sold. Hmmm.......If he'd have gotten over the sinus problem anyway,kept the company,and lived to the age he actually lived to, Fender gear might have ended up having a lot of Music Man characteristics in the amps and Music Man/G&L features on the guitars ...How about an Albert Lee Telecaster? A tweed Super 210-65 amp?

January 4th, 2007, 05:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
Cassidy Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Out West... Wisconsin Age: 61 Posts: 488 11 Photos	42 years ago today... Leo sold Fender to CBS. I wonder what would have happened if he hadn't had all the sinus problems? Cassidy Last edited by Cassidy; January 4th, 2007 at 09:59 PM. Reason: bad math day

January 4th, 2007, 05:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
bluetele54 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: valley village Age: 55 Posts: 1,558	...Music Man and G&L... ...didn't they happen???...

January 4th, 2007, 05:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
maestrovert Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: West Branch Mi. Posts: 6,746	uh, i'm pretty sure that it's been 41 years.... __________________ Sing the Song Bro' Play on Drummer www.godonthe.net

January 4th, 2007, 11:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
bluetele54 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: valley village Age: 55 Posts: 1,558	...who's quibbling over a year or two,or three,or... ...but had Leo not sold the company,who's to say that he wouldn't have re-tooled and made the kinds of changes he accomplished (if one chooses to view those companies as "accomplishments) with Music Man,and later, G&L???...that's why I kept my initial post short and sweet,even with an obvious "duh" quotient extant (hiya Cassidy)...what makes one think that his curiosity/business sense wouldn't have urged him on to create anew,thus moving forward in the emerging markets???...

January 4th, 2007, 11:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
tazzboy Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2005 Location: Eugene, Oregon Age: 31 Posts: 3,297	I hate say this, but Leo didn't sell by choice he was force into cause of the other business partners besides himself, George Fullerton. There were three others along with George and Leo those three sold out to CBS. One of the People on the Peavey Amp forum who lives in Beaverton, Or. used to work for G&L and met Leo Fender and he ask Leo what happen. __________________ tazzboy Last edited by tazzboy; January 5th, 2007 at 12:44 AM.

January 4th, 2007, 05:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
Cassidy Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Out West... Wisconsin Age: 61 Posts: 488 11 Photos	Okay Bluetele54... rather than pop off here and say duh, I decided to expand my thinking to questions I have like... how maybe the quality of the Fender line would have stayed consistent through today and all the older strats and teles might be much less collectible and worth half what they are today. Not saying they would here... just pondering possibilities... and sort of announcing an anniversary. I think there are other things that might have happened too... like maybe no G & L. Cassidy

January 4th, 2007, 09:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
David Barnett Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: LIttle Rock, AR Age: 52 Posts: 5,495	Oh for a time machine and a case of Flonase...

January 5th, 2007, 12:22 AM	#10 (permalink)
bluetele54 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: valley village Age: 55 Posts: 1,558	...uh,tazzboy,you're George???... ...given your punctuation,and spelling,you've succeeded in confusing ol' bluetele54 here...plus,you make reference to the Fender sale by,"...the other business partners besides myself,George Fullerton."...I'm sure George,that you're not marching around saying you're a 29 year old livimg in Eugene,Oregon,are you???...forced to sell or not,the Fender legacy has lived on,for the better,and in some peoples opinion(not mine),the worst of the '70's...

January 5th, 2007, 12:24 AM	#11 (permalink)
bluetele54 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: valley village Age: 55 Posts: 1,558	...speaking of spelling "living" not "livimg"...apologies...

January 5th, 2007, 12:26 AM	#12 (permalink)
bluetele54 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: valley village Age: 55 Posts: 1,558	...AND punctuation,as there should have been a comma after the word "spelling"...bad btele,bad btele...

January 5th, 2007, 12:42 AM	#13 (permalink)
Cassidy Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Out West... Wisconsin Age: 61 Posts: 488 11 Photos	I prefer to hypothetically imagine... what if Leo didn't sell? And stubbornly continued to manufacture strats and teles with the same materials and consistency with very few changes as the years passed. So basically, a 1965 tele is now the same as a 1985. Only now, the 1965 tele is judged by it's condition in much the same way everything else is today... scratches on the body - less value, fret wear - less value, faded color - less value, rusty bridge - less value. So in my hypothetical world, the 1965 tele in "poor" condition is only worth a couple hundred bucks. And now in my hypothetical scenario, the guy on stage doesn't want to play the old faithful, beat up guitar, but a shiny new one. Actually, the whole Fender history roughly parallels the Winchester firearm history... only the valuable Winchesters are pre 1963. And I know... it's just pretend, but I'm in a weird mood tonight. Cassidy

January 5th, 2007, 01:20 AM	#15 (permalink)
Dave Hopping Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Aurora,Colorado Posts: 684	If Leo hadn't sold. Hmmm.......If he'd have gotten over the sinus problem anyway,kept the company,and lived to the age he actually lived to, Fender gear might have ended up having a lot of Music Man characteristics in the amps and Music Man/G&L features on the guitars ...How about an Albert Lee Telecaster? A tweed Super 210-65 amp?