Linda Ronstadt dissed by R&R hall of fame

[freddie]

I can't figure this one out. I guess every year I kinda hope she'll get in, but as she sang "It Always breaks my heart in two, it happen's every (or is that Everly ) time". I see alot of names lacking on the rock and roll hall of fame's roster. Do these people have selective memory or what?????

No Heart or Carpenters either...hmmm maybe a pattern...


freddie

[Nazman]

No Nazareth either and they are still gigging today

[CharlieO]

I don't know, just because an act had a few hits, does that mean that they belong in the Hall of Fame? I wouldn't expect Heart, Ronstadt, or The Carpenters to be inducted in the future.

Nazareth? You must be kidding.

[beachkos]

very tough criteria and is voted upon by +/- 1000 "international rock "experts". FYI - from the Rock HOF -




Leaders in the music industry joined together in 1983 to establish the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. One of the Foundation’s many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame.


Performers
Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

The Foundation’s nominating committee, composed of rock and roll historians, selects nominees each year in the Performer category. Ballots are then sent to an international voting body of about 1,000 rock experts. Those performers who receive the highest number of votes, and more than 50 percent of the vote, are inducted. The Foundation generally inducts five to seven performers each year.

Non-Performers
Songwriters, producers, disc jockeys, record executives, journalists and other industry professionals who have had a major influence on the development of rock and roll.

Early Influences
Artists whose music predated rock and roll but had an impact on the evolution of rock and roll and inspired rock’s leading artists.

The special selection committee elects the inductees in the Non-performer and Early Influences categories.

Side Men
This category was introduced in 2000. It honors those musicians who have spent their career out of the spotlight, performing as backup musicians for major artists on recording sessions and in concert. Though they often play a key role in the creation of memorable music, the public rarely knows them by name. A separate committee, composed primarily of producers, selects the inductees in this category.

[freddie]

"Love Hurts" by Naz is a bonafide classic and that group influenced alot of musicians. "Now your messing with a s.o.b."... I'm not a fan of the group but that was artistically way ahead of it time. I agree they should be in there.

I understand about hits and I agree, but do they have the right to say Chrissie Hyde (whom I think is killer) is of more value than Karen Carpenter???? Or "The Ramones" more important than the "Moody Blues"?????


freddie

[Skully]

I understand about hits and I agree, but do they have the right to say Chrissie Hyde (whom I think is killer) is of more value than Karen Carpenter???? Or "The Ramones" more important than the "Moody Blues"?????

Yes. That's why they exist.

I think the R&R Hall of Fame is a bit of a joke, but I don't see a good reason to induct Ronstadt. She had a great voice, a pretty face, and a bunch of well produced MOR hits, many of which were cover versions. That's it. Sure, it was kinda revolutionary for a pop star to date the governor of California, but that's not a musical accomplishment.

[beachkos]

freddie - I think the key word in the voting process is international. I don't know what the voter breakdown is by country, but the "international" flavor of the Hall has certainly excluded a number of US performers who we may feel are "no-brainers" for induction. I guess what plays well in Sheboygan may not be the critics choice in Brussels.

[Skully]

I think the key word in the voting process is international. I don't know what the voter breakdown is by country, but the "international" flavor of the Hall has certainly excluded a number of US performers who we may feel are "no-brainers" for induction.

In this case, I think "international" is misleading shorthand for "New York-based critics." As far as getting inducted goes, an artist has a leg up or three if he or she has partied extensively with Jann Wenner and/or recorded for Ahmet Ertegun's Atlantic Records.

[freddie]

That info I didn't know. Thank you Beach. That makes sense. It's still that all of the critic's darlings of "Rolling Stone" magazine get inducted . Though many times I agree with the Hall. They pretty much have inducted alot of my L.A. favorite 70 's favs..Joni, Jackson Browne, Neil, Eagles, but they forgot a little raven haired girl that predates them all. Plus she had some excellent Tele sounds going on in her recordings .



I heard R.E.M. are going in ...great band..very deserving I think.



freddie

[henryp]

IMHO if Bobby Darin can get in, Linda deserves to get in as well. Bobby Darin after all . . .

[tiktok]

Musical Halls of Fame are wack.

Ditto on "Battle of the Band" competitions, readers polls and "Top 100..." lists.

There's your performances and your recordings--the rest is meaningless.

[sound dog]

It continues to be a major injustice that the great Paul Rodgers STILL isn't in....Free, Bad Company, The Firm, killer solo work....there are people in the hall that don't have anywhere near the resume that this man does.

[51mike]

I pretty much agree with TikTok on these things. The only decent one is The Rockabilly Hall Of Fame. They do a pretty good job at leaving the socio-political/big music business out of the induction voting and the right people get in and recognized. I'm sure there's a bit of "good ole boy network" involved though. Who knows, maybe they're a benevalent dictatorship.

[eire122]

Never mind Linda Ronstadt how about Link Wray!!!! He's influenced more modern rock than just about anyone!!!!!

[68tele]

The RRHOF is about as rock & roll as American Idol. Try not to get upset if your heroes aren't inducted to it, as it is meaningless.

[Telenator]

The R&R Hall of Fame is a dumb idea at best. Eventually everyone will be in it which will totally dilute the purpose. Things like this really cannot be judged. It's like judging art. Art and music really don't bear that type of scrutiny. They are to be appreciated, not segregated as one item being better than the other. Sort of self defeating.

[BLACKCAT69]

Originally Posted by eire122

Never mind Linda Ronstadt how about Link Wray!!!! He's influenced more modern rock than just about anyone!!!!!

One of these things is not like the other.

Rock and Roll



Not Rock and Roll

[stephent2]

Originally Posted by henryp

IMHO if Bobby Darin can get in, Linda deserves to get in as well. Bobby Darin after all . . .

Ouch. Look, it's OK if you don't know much about Bobby Darin and mistake him for a crooner/teen idol, but BD was much more than that. In many ways.

Study up if you like,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Darin

[tiktok]

And now that I think of it, I think the last time I heard an LR tune on the radio was back in the "Get Closer" days, which I also now only remember as the toothpaste or mouthwash jingle that it became. I'm hard pressed to name any of her hits, which puts her one or two tracks behind Loggins & Messina in my book of "70's Cali stars who seemed to vanish completely off the radar in the 80's with no discernable impact on future generations".

To me it seems that she took a good album cover picture, employed great backing bands who all eclipsed her and was involved with a governor, and that's about it. Oh, and wasn't she in Pirates of Penzance?

[getbent]

I knew I'd hate this thread.

[henryp]

Originally Posted by stephent2

Ouch. Look, it's OK if you don't know much about Bobby Darin and mistake him for a crooner/teen idol, but BD was much more than that. In many ways.

ROFL. Thanks. I know a bit about BD and like some of his stuff (and in fact have his version of "Beyond the Sea" on my MP3 player right now. That said, IMHO he wasn't rock-n-roll. Put him side-by-side with Dion (King of the New York Streets") and I think you have to agree there's a difference.

Heck, my MOM likes BD and she's 80+ yrs old. That alone says he's not r-n-r good as he may have been at what he did.

[David Barnett]

How many more years before Nsync are elgible?

[txspreacher]

Originally Posted by David Barnett

How many more years before Nsync are elgible?

[Skully]

Thanks. I know a bit about BD and like some of his stuff (and in fact have his version of "Beyond the Sea" on my MP3 player right now. That said, IMHO he wasn't rock-n-roll.

Sometimes, he was ("Splish-Splash"). He also wrote many of his own songs. Ronstadt didn't.

[logman]

No Steppenwolf, No Grand Funk

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