John Mark Karr......Someone help me out, Im lost here.

Soupbone · August 26th, 2006, 02:19 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=2355252

OK, whats the deal? From the JonBenet Ramsey investigation, we have the following:

- Palm print
- Foot print
- DNA

If there's all this "whodunnit?" nonsense with this guy, TEST THE PALM, FOOT AND DNA AND GET IT OVER WITH. We're talking about a couple of days worth of work which, I might add, should have been done before we ever extradited the suspect.

Can cops be this stupid?

Joe-Bob · August 26th, 2006, 02:43 PM

The DNA evidence was compromised, so they can't use it.

woodman · August 26th, 2006, 03:24 PM

the investigation was supremely botched from the git-go. i read one story that called it the worst police work on a major case in history.

vic108 · August 26th, 2006, 03:32 PM

Oh, you mean Pee Wee Harvey Oswald Bates?

He's quite creepy. Needs not to see the light of day ever again.

shakedancer · August 26th, 2006, 04:36 PM

You know weather he did it or not, yuo have to wonder about parents who would let a 6 year old dress up like that. I hope it's him so it can be put to rest, but I don't think he did it.

DlxNashvilleLuvr · August 26th, 2006, 04:56 PM

I don't think he did it, and at the same time I don't go for this "compromised DNA" stuff, either. Those DNA samples should be digitially preserved, we're not working from a pitri dish (so a scientist said on CNN). I still go for the theory the parents did it. Like the guy said, you're dressing up a five year old in makeup and having her dance around? Weird.

I think Karr must be guilty of something somewhere along the line, so let's just lock him up...just...because.

Dave W · August 26th, 2006, 07:00 PM

I've read that only part of the DNA is degraded. Whatever, I think they grabbed him while they had the chance and if there's a case to be made against him, they're just starting.

jz63 · August 27th, 2006, 06:56 AM

I don't know if he's guilty or not but I can tell ya this..that guys looks like he's never played a Tele in his life!

cvansickle · August 27th, 2006, 12:21 PM

I think he was involved, but I think the mother knew something too. She covered for somebody, and took it to the grave.

getbent · August 27th, 2006, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soupbone

Can cops be this stupid?

election years produce strange things....

woodman · August 27th, 2006, 01:53 PM

what, exactly, is the deal on the DNA evidence? i can't find much of substance on the news wires, it's all kinda vague ....

SuzyQ · August 28th, 2006, 01:53 AM

I am not quite sure how they have connected him. I am reserving judgement on this one...he could EASILY be delusional (well, he is obviously delusional) which affects his judgement, either way.

He is in custody, so one must assume that there is strong evidence for holding him. After ten years and multiple screw-ups, it had better be more than a confession from a nut case.

BLACKCAT69 · August 28th, 2006, 10:41 AM

From what I've read of his history and reputation he should be locked up regardless.

neocaster · August 28th, 2006, 02:00 PM

Jinky's! If Scooby and the gang took this one over, we'd know in 25 minutes what happened. And they would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddlesome kids...

0le FUZZY · August 28th, 2006, 06:06 PM

Watchin FOX (as alwayz) they jes dropped the charges---- noe DNA match.

Now they gonna let him go?

Dew yew noe where yer children are?

0le FUZZY

getbent · August 28th, 2006, 06:48 PM

He'll go back to thailand and become a girl (I guess that was the plan originally) I'd ruther have sent all that money for flights and whatnot to some granny who hadn't seen her kids in awhile...

If you try to make sense of the world you'll just get cornfused and the world won't even notice. From the looks of things, I'm pretty sure my kids could whip his @ss if he came in our neighborhood.... one thing for sure, he'd come in but he wouldn't be going back out... they have a word for guys like him here.... MULCH.

Dave W · August 28th, 2006, 08:05 PM

Well, I'm just shocked to find out he's not the right guy.

Now hopefully the media can get back to important issues, like finding that girl in Aruba.

Reno Sepulveda · August 28th, 2006, 08:52 PM

You know having to look at those creepy old Jon Benet beauty pagaent videos again and the fuss that everybody made over this ....nevermind. All the breathless media frenzy...

I tell you it's enough to make a person start to miss ol bin Laden.

jumpnblues · August 28th, 2006, 09:13 PM

Blackcat69,

You got it brutha'. Except I wouldn't want to have to support him with our tax dollars. I guess that only leaves one alternative...the same one all pedophiles deserve IMO.

goldtopper · August 29th, 2006, 05:33 AM

I hooted when I saw I saw the pictures of him prancing around in the home videos with the most pefectly coiffed mullet I've seen in years. Somethin wrong with that boy...

captain gorgeous · August 29th, 2006, 08:05 AM

i have no idea if he did it or not but here's what i think happened.

basically i think he was up on child porn charges, skipped the country to thailand where he was done for...whatever. something disgusting and abhorent. he then decided that rather than face the death penalty or a life rotting in a thai jail he'd fess up to the weird child-in-make-up killing thing to be extradited back to the US where he could at least guarantee a fairly decent level of justice. smart move by someone. he may have done it he may not, either way he was out of that thai jail.

i agree though he doesn't half look like a partent's worst nightmare doesn't he?

*shudders*

BLACKCAT69 · August 29th, 2006, 10:53 AM

Couldn't the Thai police have done the DNA swab and spare everyone the media spectacle? Maybe the Boulder cops figured that since they blundered the investigation from the get go, they should be more thorough at this point? (Scratching head with annoyed expression.) I made the mistake of flipping on Nancy Grace last night for 30 seconds. It almost seemed like she was mad that this guy is not the killer.

raisindot · August 29th, 2006, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captain gorgeous

i have no idea if he did it or not but here's what i think happened.

basically i think he was up on child porn charges, skipped the country to thailand where he was done for...whatever. something disgusting and abhorent. he then decided that rather than face the death penalty or a life rotting in a thai jail he'd fess up to the weird child-in-make-up killing thing to be extradited back to the US where he could at least guarantee a fairly decent level of justice. smart move by someone. he may have done it he may not, either way he was out of that thai jail.

That's my theory as well. Thailand is the world's largest marketplace for pedophilia, and the guy was a TEACHER there! He probably did things that were disgusting even by Thai standards and got caught. The Thais didn't want to have to pay the expenses for jailing the guy (and face potential pressure from the US gov't to treat him humanely), and Karr, who probably already had a JoBnet obsession fed by some kind of inside access to information, saw a confession as his way out of the country, knowing full well that he'd never be charged in the U.S. The Thai prosecutor probably made up the story as part of their "agreement."

Now the question is: If he is released on bail, how long will be survive before someone gets to him?

Jeff in Boston

neocaster · August 29th, 2006, 11:10 AM

WTF do these cats always have three names? John Mark Karr, Mark David Chapman, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Wayne Gacy. The first time somebody introduces them to me using a middle name, I'm making an anomymous call to the authorities.

brillocaster · August 29th, 2006, 11:30 AM

Well, neocaster, it's a way of distinguishing them from others to avoid mistaken reprisals. Go to Google and search John Karr, then do John Mark Karr.

Smart move by both the Thais and Karr (a real excrescence, by the way). Karr, clearly a huge attention whore, gets his fifteen minutes of fame and avoids spending the rest of his life in a southeast Asian prison. The Thais get rid of the creep and avoid a bright light being shone on their prisons. Not that life behind bars stateside seems like a tea party, but having read Midnight Express and Transit Point Moscow I'm inclined to believe that the prison experience here is a satisfactory alternative to that abroad.

neocaster · August 29th, 2006, 11:58 AM

I'm trying to make light of a situation that there's really no light to be made of... Every once in a while we see one of these "people" on the news, and I won't speak for you all, only for myself. The worst things some people do are only compounded by the fact that they make decent people want to do indecent things to them.

August 26th, 2006, 02:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
Soupbone Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hickville, Florida Posts: 233 6 Photos	John Mark Karr......Someone help me out, Im lost here. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=2355252 OK, whats the deal? From the JonBenet Ramsey investigation, we have the following: - Palm print - Foot print - DNA If there's all this "whodunnit?" nonsense with this guy, TEST THE PALM, FOOT AND DNA AND GET IT OVER WITH. We're talking about a couple of days worth of work which, I might add, should have been done before we ever extradited the suspect. Can cops be this stupid? __________________ "They're bringin in the Georgia mail..." Giving the EH POG Synth a workout-1 POG 2

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Joe-Bob Friend of Leo's Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas Age: 46 Posts: 3,892	The DNA evidence was compromised, so they can't use it. __________________ Music is the language of God.

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woodman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mint Hill, NC Age: 62 Posts: 5,961	the investigation was supremely botched from the git-go. i read one story that called it the worst police work on a major case in history. __________________ Truth is stranger than fact ... www.myspace.com/woodymitchellmusic BAND PAGES: www.myspace.com/stragglerswing (Stragglers - Western Swing) www.myspace.com/loafersgloryband (Loafers Glory - '70s country-rock)

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shakedancer Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: north of Boston Posts: 1,634	You know weather he did it or not, yuo have to wonder about parents who would let a 6 year old dress up like that. I hope it's him so it can be put to rest, but I don't think he did it. __________________ "If you don't like the Blues, you got to have a Hole in your Soul." Luther Allison JOE

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DlxNashvilleLuvr Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Age: 37 Posts: 697	I don't think he did it, and at the same time I don't go for this "compromised DNA" stuff, either. Those DNA samples should be digitially preserved, we're not working from a pitri dish (so a scientist said on CNN). I still go for the theory the parents did it. Like the guy said, you're dressing up a five year old in makeup and having her dance around? Weird. I think Karr must be guilty of something somewhere along the line, so let's just lock him up...just...because.

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Dave W Tele-Afflicted Join Date: May 2003 Location: Guadalupe County, TX Age: 61 Posts: 1,773	I've read that only part of the DNA is degraded. Whatever, I think they grabbed him while they had the chance and if there's a case to be made against him, they're just starting.

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jz63 Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London U.K. Age: 39 Posts: 485	I don't know if he's guilty or not but I can tell ya this..that guys looks like he's never played a Tele in his life!

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cvansickle Tele-Holic Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA USA Posts: 741 5 Photos	I think he was involved, but I think the mother knew something too. She covered for somebody, and took it to the grave. __________________ Death Or Glory - Who Dares Wins!

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woodman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mint Hill, NC Age: 62 Posts: 5,961	what, exactly, is the deal on the DNA evidence? i can't find much of substance on the news wires, it's all kinda vague .... __________________ Truth is stranger than fact ... www.myspace.com/woodymitchellmusic BAND PAGES: www.myspace.com/stragglerswing (Stragglers - Western Swing) www.myspace.com/loafersgloryband (Loafers Glory - '70s country-rock)

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SuzyQ TDPRI Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Virginia Mountains and Shore Age: 53 Posts: 76	I am not quite sure how they have connected him. I am reserving judgement on this one...he could EASILY be delusional (well, he is obviously delusional) which affects his judgement, either way. He is in custody, so one must assume that there is strong evidence for holding him. After ten years and multiple screw-ups, it had better be more than a confession from a nut case.

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BLACKCAT69 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada-Windsor-Ont. Age: 37 Posts: 2,633 5 Photos	From what I've read of his history and reputation he should be locked up regardless. __________________ http://www.lukefisher.com/blame.wav

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neocaster Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester County, PA Age: 35 Posts: 3,521 11 Photos	Jinky's! If Scooby and the gang took this one over, we'd know in 25 minutes what happened. And they would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddlesome kids... __________________ "...You don't need faith if you know it's gonna work!" "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed."

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0le FUZZY Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kolly-forn-knee-ya Posts: 10,001 6 Photos	Watchin FOX (as alwayz) they jes dropped the charges---- noe DNA match. Now they gonna let him go? Dew yew noe where yer children are? 0le FUZZY

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getbent Moderator Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Benito County, California Posts: 10,172 37 Photos	He'll go back to thailand and become a girl (I guess that was the plan originally) I'd ruther have sent all that money for flights and whatnot to some granny who hadn't seen her kids in awhile... If you try to make sense of the world you'll just get cornfused and the world won't even notice. From the looks of things, I'm pretty sure my kids could whip his @ss if he came in our neighborhood.... one thing for sure, he'd come in but he wouldn't be going back out... they have a word for guys like him here.... MULCH. __________________ 'never pet a burning dog'

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Dave W Tele-Afflicted Join Date: May 2003 Location: Guadalupe County, TX Age: 61 Posts: 1,773	Well, I'm just shocked to find out he's not the right guy. Now hopefully the media can get back to important issues, like finding that girl in Aruba.

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Reno Sepulveda Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Nowhere man Posts: 1,357	You know having to look at those creepy old Jon Benet beauty pagaent videos again and the fuss that everybody made over this ....nevermind. All the breathless media frenzy... I tell you it's enough to make a person start to miss ol bin Laden. __________________ "I'm just kidding about that really."

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jumpnblues Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Midwest Age: 58 Posts: 1,662	Blackcat69, You got it brutha'. Except I wouldn't want to have to support him with our tax dollars. I guess that only leaves one alternative...the same one all pedophiles deserve IMO. __________________ jumpnblues "Heaven St." (Original Blues Instrumental): http://www.box.net/shared/static/z96atf0zn2.mp3 http://www.myspace.com/drbluezz

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goldtopper Tele-Holic Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell Posts: 935	I hooted when I saw I saw the pictures of him prancing around in the home videos with the most pefectly coiffed mullet I've seen in years. Somethin wrong with that boy... __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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captain gorgeous Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Angel, North London Posts: 1,886 38 Photos	i have no idea if he did it or not but here's what i think happened. basically i think he was up on child porn charges, skipped the country to thailand where he was done for...whatever. something disgusting and abhorent. he then decided that rather than face the death penalty or a life rotting in a thai jail he'd fess up to the weird child-in-make-up killing thing to be extradited back to the US where he could at least guarantee a fairly decent level of justice. smart move by someone. he may have done it he may not, either way he was out of that thai jail. i agree though he doesn't half look like a partent's worst nightmare doesn't he? shudders __________________ "What is it with chimpanzees and that middle parting? It's so 1920s." www.myspace.com/daddylonglegsuk http://www.myspace.com/thetacticians

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BLACKCAT69 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada-Windsor-Ont. Age: 37 Posts: 2,633 5 Photos	Couldn't the Thai police have done the DNA swab and spare everyone the media spectacle? Maybe the Boulder cops figured that since they blundered the investigation from the get go, they should be more thorough at this point? (Scratching head with annoyed expression.) I made the mistake of flipping on Nancy Grace last night for 30 seconds. It almost seemed like she was mad that this guy is not the killer. __________________ http://www.lukefisher.com/blame.wav

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neocaster Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester County, PA Age: 35 Posts: 3,521 11 Photos	Whiskey Tango Foxtrot... WTF do these cats always have three names? John Mark Karr, Mark David Chapman, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Wayne Gacy. The first time somebody introduces them to me using a middle name, I'm making an anomymous call to the authorities. __________________ "...You don't need faith if you know it's gonna work!" "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed."

August 29th, 2006, 11:30 AM	#25 (permalink)
brillocaster Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 750	Well, neocaster, it's a way of distinguishing them from others to avoid mistaken reprisals. Go to Google and search John Karr, then do John Mark Karr. Smart move by both the Thais and Karr (a real excrescence, by the way). Karr, clearly a huge attention whore, gets his fifteen minutes of fame and avoids spending the rest of his life in a southeast Asian prison. The Thais get rid of the creep and avoid a bright light being shone on their prisons. Not that life behind bars stateside seems like a tea party, but having read Midnight Express and Transit Point Moscow I'm inclined to believe that the prison experience here is a satisfactory alternative to that abroad.

August 29th, 2006, 11:58 AM	#26 (permalink)
neocaster Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester County, PA Age: 35 Posts: 3,521 11 Photos	I'm trying to make light of a situation that there's really no light to be made of... Every once in a while we see one of these "people" on the news, and I won't speak for you all, only for myself. The worst things some people do are only compounded by the fact that they make decent people want to do indecent things to them. _______________