If someone gave you a copy of a CD...

[chet]

would you take it? What's the future of musicians if thier work can be pirated by anyone and everyone?

[kp8]

take it and listen to it, if you like it go and buy it. if not throw it away.

[TheGoodTexan]

Originally Posted by chet

would you take it? What's the future of musicians if thier work can be pirated by anyone and everyone?

The topic of music piracy is very close to me, as I work as a sales rep for a major music label/distributor, and my income is commission based...

Originally Posted by kp8

take it and listen to it, if you like it go and buy it. if not throw it away.

...and I agree 100% with this statement. It seems to be the best, most fair answer to everyone. But I'm afraid that most people would put the CD on their iPod first, then throw it away.

I have done some research with the RIAA and have also come to a conclusion on a similar topic that may be of interest to a lot of people on this board:

"What about learning cover tunes for your band?"

It is my understanding that this falls under the definition of "research", which is allowable. In other words, if you're passing compy written music to co-members of a musical endevor, for the purpose of learning that music for a performance....all should be cool. I do this myself quite often.

[chet]

Originally Posted by kp8

take it and listen to it, if you like it go and buy it. if not throw it away.

Why buy it if you already have it?

[TheGoodTexan]

Originally Posted by chet

Why buy it if you already have it?

The copy that was given to you is ILLEGAL.


....we're about to open a pandora's box that can't be closed...

Genelovesjez...where are you man? LOL!

[Heather Anne Peel]

As an artist who's released several CDs, the answer is simple: don't steal music. Therefore, don't even accept the CD temporarily, for while it's in your possession, it is illegal.

Heather

[popthree]

Originally Posted by chet

would you take it? What's the future of musicians if thier work can be pirated by anyone and everyone?

this is nothing new, since tape recording became accessible to everyone, people have been copying music and sharing it. music seems to have lived through all these years of tape recordings...why any different with CD's?

in my opinion, the sharing of music only promotes sales and exposes people to music that they would have otherwise never bothered listening to.

[TheGoodTexan]

Originally Posted by popthree

this is nothing new, since tape recording became accessible to everyone, people have been copying music and sharing it. music seems to have lived through all these years of tape recordings...why any different with CD's?

It was illegal then too. The difference with CDs and digital transfer is that music and music data bases can be copied without any perceiveable degredation in quality (to the vast majority of people).

Originally Posted by popthree

in my opinion, the sharing of music only promotes sales and exposes people to music that they would have otherwise never bothered listening to.

It's illegal.

[TeleTurkey]

Originally Posted by TheGoodTexan

It was illegal then too. The difference with CDs and digital transfer is that music and music data bases can be copied without any perceiveable degredation in quality (to the vast majority of people).



It's illegal.

Saying "it's illegal" isn't a logical rebuttal. There are many things that are illegal that folks do anyway, many for good reason.

That being said I think it's wrong to take a burned CD of someone elses work. You should pay them for it. I have made exceptions for a few CDs that are from vinyl or tape that are not available on CD. I'd like to buy them, but I can't.

[popthree]

ok, it's illegal. i got that. but i still think it helps, not hurts, the music industry, and artists.

[TheGoodTexan]

Originally Posted by TeleTurkey

Saying "it's illegal" isn't a logical rebuttal. There are many things that are illegal that folks do anyway, many for good reason.

I understand what you're saying. But in this particular case, I think that just saying "it's illegal" actually is a tremendously valid point. Pirating music is stealing. Stealing is illegal. It's hard to construct a compelling arguement against that.

There are cases where stealing might be the right thing to do. Maybe a person is having a heart attack, and the closest pharmacy is closed, but you jump the counter and take some nitro pills for the victim. I think that's justified.

I think its close impossible to justify stealing music.

[popthree]

seems to me that it's mostly the record labels ....corporate machine that gets upset about it, and not the artist. (exception..metallica )

I for one, don't have anything against sticking it to 'da man' once in awhile.

and in this case, ultimately, i believe it does help the industry, and more importantly, the artists.

that is the arguement i find most compelling

obviously, YMMV

[popthree]

Originally Posted by TheGoodTexan

Pirating music is stealing. Stealing is illegal. It's hard to construct a compelling arguement against that.

if someone is mass producing pirated stuff and resaling it, then i'm with you.

[TeleTurkey]

Originally Posted by popthree

seems to me that it's mostly the record labels ....corporate machine that gets upset about it, and not the artist. (exception..metallica )

I for one, don't have anything against sticking it to 'da man' once in awhile.

and in this case, ultimately, i believe it does help the industry, and more importantly, the artists.

that is the arguement i find most compelling

obviously, YMMV

I don't believe it helps the artists, but that's another subject.

Somehow I doubt you, or most anyone else, is thinking about helping the artists when they are burning a CD.

[0le FUZZY]

Heck they iss all copies and folks giff em tew me all the time and most of them iss wons they recorded their own seffs of their own songs and whence they dew a cover of a song that may er may knott be cop-pea-rite-ted dunn by a rascal 50 years ago am I ill-eagle? Are they? This is all sew very rong specially iffin its a gift.

Stupid iss as stupid duz. I reckon all my old reel-tew-reel tapes was ill-eagle.

We into sum purdy deep water here and prolly will be way over our heads inna nutter few posts.

Dew watt chew kin but behave yer seff!!



0le FUZZY

[Fuzzyhead]

Originally Posted by kp8

take it and listen to it, if you like it go and buy it. if not throw it away.

Yeah! That's the only reasonable thing!

If someone gave you a genuine '52 Tele, would you give it back because you consider it "pirated"?

[Heather Anne Peel]

Reproduction of copyrighted music, video, software, printed works, etc. for anything other than personal use is illegal. Regardless of the type of media used, it's that simple.
Heather

[Fuzzyhead]

Originally Posted by Heather Anne Peel

As an artist who's released several CDs, the answer is simple: don't steal music. Therefore, don't even accept the CD temporarily, for while it's in your possession, it is illegal contraband.

Heather

Yeah, right.... Ever heard of the term "gift"? If someone bought the CD, he can give it to someone else or do everything else he wants to do with it, cause he *shock* bought it. Is there any other consumer product I can buy but I'm not allowed to give to somebody else?

The definition of "illegal contraband" is that it was illegal in the first place.

[Fatmanstratman]

Originally Posted by Heather Anne Peel

Reproduction of copyrighted music, video, software, printed works, etc. for anything other than personal use is illegal. Regardless of the type of media used, it's that simple.
Heather

Heather - so how does YouTube work then? Just interested, not trying to be confrontational!

[Fatmanstratman]

Originally Posted by Fuzzyhead

Yeah, right.... Ever heard of the term "gift"? If someone bought the CD, he can give it to someone else or do everything else he wants to do with it, cause he *shock* bought it. Is there any other consumer product I can buy but I'm not allowed to give to somebody else?

The definition of "illegal contraband" is that it was illegal in the first place.

Fuzzyhead - I think Heather is referring to COPIES of an original CD, not the originals....

[popthree]

Originally Posted by TeleTurkey

Somehow I doubt you, or most anyone else, is thinking about helping the artists when they are burning a CD.

true enough, normally what i'd be doing is trying to turn a friend onto a band that i dig. but that does help out the artists and music industry. i buy an album i like, copy a few tunes for a friend, they listen...they like...they become a fan...eventually buying the artists music or going to a concert. not too hard to figure out how it works.

[Heather Anne Peel]

Originally Posted by Fuzzyhead

Yeah, right.... Ever heard of the term "gift"? If someone bought the CD, he can give it to someone else or do everything else he wants to do with it, cause he *shock* bought it. Is there any other consumer product I can buy but I'm not allowed to give to somebody else?

The definition of "illegal contraband" is that it was illegal in the first place.

Buying and reproducing are two different things. You can certainly give the purchased CD away as a gift. Copying the CD and giving it away is illegal, because the CD was reproduced illegally for distribution, in that instance. The CD copy's existence in anyone's possession, other than your own, is illegal.

[TeleTurkey]

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