Nirvana - Page 2

halouis · April 13th, 2006, 10:18 AM

of all those "Grunge" bands. I liked the early Soundgarden the best. up through the the song "Face Pollution" on Badmotorfinger. then they lost me. I just didn;t think they had the edge after that. Seeing htem on Louder THan love tour open for Voivod to abotu 30-40 people was just insane.

I liked the "Facelift" a lot from AIC. "Dirt" was OK, but not too great. had a few gems. rest filler.

Loved Mudhoney! I remember when Superfuzzbigmuff came out how cool it was. I always thought Nirvana was a lesser version of Mudhoney. But I see how they had a broader appeal.

But perhpas the best "grunge" act of all never came from the NW. but rather Massachussetts. Dinosaur Jr. "You;re Living All Over Me" is the greatest grunge record.

I also dug The Afghan Whigs a lot too. they had some stellar records.

Zippo · April 13th, 2006, 10:27 AM

I always thought the best grunge band was the Replacements. 8)

lobotomyactivist · April 13th, 2006, 11:46 AM

I see Nirvana in the same way as I see Tupac-only still selling records because somebody died.

jonzer · April 13th, 2006, 12:59 PM

I'm a huge Nirvana fan and I see all these other comparable bands being mentioned...so I gotta make an inclusion if we're going to do that.

The Pixies!!! What's wrong with you people? How come nobody has mentioned them yet.
I haven't checked out a lot of these other bands but now I want to. Ever feel you don't have enough time to introduce yourself and get acquainted with new music?

The String King · April 13th, 2006, 01:08 PM

He's dead, get over it. Thats my philosiphy.

Sure, Nirvana had some good numbers like Come As You Are, and The Man Who Sold The World, but as soon as Kurt Cobain died, everyone just treated him like a god. It's stupid. You have the real fans who actually like the music, and you have the other "fans" who are just following a trend of rebellion.

fendercii · April 13th, 2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzer

I'm a huge Nirvana fan and I see all these other comparable bands being mentioned...so I gotta make an inclusion if we're going to do that.

The Pixies!!! What's wrong with you people? How come nobody has mentioned them yet.
I haven't checked out a lot of these other bands but now I want to. Ever feel you don't have enough time to introduce yourself and get acquainted with new music?

I love the Pixies. Only reason they haven't been mentioned is probably just cause they didn't have to do with the Seattle thing (although they did influence Nirvana).

halouis · April 13th, 2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzer

...The Pixies!!! What's wrong with you people? How come nobody has mentioned them yet.
I haven't checked out a lot of these other bands but now I want to. Ever feel you don't have enough time to introduce yourself and get acquainted with new music?

i have all the Pixies records. love 'em.

Savagery · April 13th, 2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The String King

He's dead, get over it. Thats my philosiphy.

Sure, Nirvana had some good numbers like Come As You Are, and The Man Who Sold The World, but as soon as Kurt Cobain died, everyone just treated him like a god. It's stupid. You have the real fans who actually like the music, and you have the other "fans" who are just following a trend of rebellion.

I agree about the death thing- they had great songs, but they weren't the pinnacle of music. If he hadn't died, he'd have faded away like so many other bands. Honestly, I think he knew it, too, that he wasn't the god of music people made him out to be. He didn't like the attention he got for Teen Spirit, especially. However, they did make their mark, at the time.

Oh, and <a href=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ8CFRFp7tY&search=nirvana%20unplugged%20s old%20the%20world>"The Man Who Sold The World"</a> is a great song, but David Bowie wrote it. I think the Nirvana unplugged version is better, but it's not Kurt's song.

BLACKCAT69 · April 13th, 2006, 02:49 PM

Go out and buy that album by Bowie. If you've never heard it there's something fresh for you. Not new, but new to you. Good f-in' record.

The String King · April 13th, 2006, 02:57 PM

I might take you up on that. What's the album called?

Joel Terry · April 13th, 2006, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The String King

I might take you up on that. What's the album called?

The Man Who Sold The World, the same as the song title. Great album; great tune.

For the record, I have to say Bowie's original "TMWSTW" is far superior in execution and feel than Nirvana's cover, in my humble opinion. In Nirvana's cover, Kurt Cobain's one-string guitar solo version of Bowie's classic three-part harmony at the end of the original was futile, really. Just my opinion.

Joel

The String King · April 13th, 2006, 03:25 PM

Oh right! Cool. I will get that soon then.

jonzer · April 13th, 2006, 03:48 PM

If Cobain had lived: Wow, let's speculate.
He would have continued to be huge as he was a tremendous song writer. He would have been an authority of the likes of Dylan and Neil Young. At least comparable to his generation.
His band would have broken up after he fired Dave Grohl which he was going to do. Dave was his sixth drummer and even Grohl has said "nevermind" wasn't the Nirvana sound he loved...that was "bleach".
He would have divorced and remarried several times. He wouldn't find happiness. His music would become more acoustic as he grew older. A lot of the Nirvana following would hate it. A lot of true fans would follow him and he gain newer ones. He would forever resist the public demands for a Nirvana reunion (like Sting).
And the rest of us would be arguing about how great/horrible his music was.

Aen · April 13th, 2006, 07:49 PM

Found this:

Here.

noyes · April 13th, 2006, 10:35 PM

"He got this 2 weeks before he died, and said it was his new favorite."

He was definitely heading somewhere else musically.
Would've loved to've heard what it was.

lobotomyactivist · April 13th, 2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzer

If Cobain had lived: Wow, let's speculate.
He would have continued to be huge as he was a tremendous song writer. He would have been an authority of the likes of Dylan and Neil Young. At least comparable to his generation.

You can't say that. I found him to be a boring, pessimistic, disconnected, self-absorbed songwriter. He was a true product of the 80's, as they were called, the "Me Generation." His songs were too introverted to be as considered as universal as Dylan, and he didn't show any signs of evolving out of that.

And when you consider it, the songs would've probably been much different had he not been the type to kill himself, no?

noyes · April 13th, 2006, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lobotomyactivist

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Originally Posted by jonzer

If Cobain had lived: Wow, let's speculate.
He would have continued to be huge as he was a tremendous song writer. He would have been an authority of the likes of Dylan and Neil Young. At least comparable to his generation.

You can't say that. I found him to be a boring, pessimistic, disconnected, self-absorbed songwriter. He was a true product of the 80's, as they were called, the "Me Generation." His songs were too introverted to be as considered as universal as Dylan, and he didn't show any signs of evolving out of that.

And when you consider it, the songs would've probably been much different had he not been the type to kill himself, no?

As a true Nirvana fan, as pompous as that may sound, I believe the truest Nirvana fans are the ones that can admit that they are overrated in many different ways.
But I suggest you put on 'In Utero'.
That album is everything beautiful and exceptional about Nirvana, specifically Cobain. You don't hear records like that. He instinctively has his own sound.
That album is a musical fossil, a beautiful underrated record.

Aen · April 13th, 2006, 10:47 PM

Agreed. It's so good in fact, that it made me hate Nevermind.

Also, I'm sure you heard "You know you're right"

I always thought that one was alt-country, although he did rock the Jaguar on it, not the tele. But I suppose Jeff Tweedy plays a Jazzmaster, so those are alt-country too.

noyes · April 13th, 2006, 11:04 PM

yeah i don't like nevermind as much as i do, say, incesticide, where a classic song like Aerozeppelin, with it's amazing guitar riffs, never gets old.

true, tweedy rocks the jazzmaster.

jonzer · April 14th, 2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lobotomyactivist

And when you consider it, the songs would've probably been much different had he not been the type to kill himself, no?

I disagree with the rest of your post, but you (no pun intended) may be right with that statement. I've wondered it myself.

fendercii · April 14th, 2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by noyes

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Originally Posted by lobotomyactivist

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Originally Posted by jonzer

If Cobain had lived: Wow, let's speculate.
He would have continued to be huge as he was a tremendous song writer. He would have been an authority of the likes of Dylan and Neil Young. At least comparable to his generation.

You can't say that. I found him to be a boring, pessimistic, disconnected, self-absorbed songwriter. He was a true product of the 80's, as they were called, the "Me Generation." His songs were too introverted to be as considered as universal as Dylan, and he didn't show any signs of evolving out of that.

And when you consider it, the songs would've probably been much different had he not been the type to kill himself, no?

As a true Nirvana fan, as pompous as that may sound, I believe the truest Nirvana fans are the ones that can admit that they are overrated in many different ways.
But I suggest you put on 'In Utero'.
That album is everything beautiful and exceptional about Nirvana, specifically Cobain. You don't hear records like that. He instinctively has his own sound.
That album is a musical fossil, a beautiful underrated record.

How is it underrated?

April 13th, 2006, 10:18 AM	#41 (permalink)
halouis Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,403 7 Photos	of all those "Grunge" bands. I liked the early Soundgarden the best. up through the the song "Face Pollution" on Badmotorfinger. then they lost me. I just didn;t think they had the edge after that. Seeing htem on Louder THan love tour open for Voivod to abotu 30-40 people was just insane. I liked the "Facelift" a lot from AIC. "Dirt" was OK, but not too great. had a few gems. rest filler. Loved Mudhoney! I remember when Superfuzzbigmuff came out how cool it was. I always thought Nirvana was a lesser version of Mudhoney. But I see how they had a broader appeal. But perhpas the best "grunge" act of all never came from the NW. but rather Massachussetts. Dinosaur Jr. "You;re Living All Over Me" is the greatest grunge record. I also dug The Afghan Whigs a lot too. they had some stellar records. __________________ ~ Hal * I'M A DENIM DEMON *

April 13th, 2006, 11:46 AM	#43 (permalink)
lobotomyactivist Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Doylestown, PA Posts: 1,317 1 Photos	I see Nirvana in the same way as I see Tupac-only still selling records because somebody died. __________________ Back again!

April 13th, 2006, 12:59 PM	#44 (permalink)
jonzer Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,035	I'm a huge Nirvana fan and I see all these other comparable bands being mentioned...so I gotta make an inclusion if we're going to do that. The Pixies!!! What's wrong with you people? How come nobody has mentioned them yet. I haven't checked out a lot of these other bands but now I want to. Ever feel you don't have enough time to introduce yourself and get acquainted with new music? __________________ http://816rocks.com/

April 13th, 2006, 01:08 PM	#45 (permalink)
The String King Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: East Sussex, U.K. Age: 16 Posts: 1,065 22 Photos	Oh come on. He's dead, get over it. Thats my philosiphy. Sure, Nirvana had some good numbers like Come As You Are, and The Man Who Sold The World, but as soon as Kurt Cobain died, everyone just treated him like a god. It's stupid. You have the real fans who actually like the music, and you have the other "fans" who are just following a trend of rebellion. __________________ I twang therefore I am

April 13th, 2006, 02:49 PM	#49 (permalink)
BLACKCAT69 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada-Windsor-Ont. Age: 37 Posts: 2,633 5 Photos	Go out and buy that album by Bowie. If you've never heard it there's something fresh for you. Not new, but new to you. Good f-in' record. __________________ http://www.lukefisher.com/blame.wav

April 13th, 2006, 10:27 AM	#42 (permalink)
Zippo TDPRI Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 72	I always thought the best grunge band was the Replacements. 8)

April 13th, 2006, 02:57 PM	#50 (permalink)
The String King Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: East Sussex, U.K. Age: 16 Posts: 1,065 22 Photos	I might take you up on that. What's the album called? __________________ I twang therefore I am

April 13th, 2006, 03:25 PM	#52 (permalink)
The String King Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: East Sussex, U.K. Age: 16 Posts: 1,065 22 Photos	Oh right! Cool. I will get that soon then. __________________ I twang therefore I am

April 13th, 2006, 03:48 PM	#53 (permalink)
jonzer Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,035	If Cobain had lived: Wow, let's speculate. He would have continued to be huge as he was a tremendous song writer. He would have been an authority of the likes of Dylan and Neil Young. At least comparable to his generation. His band would have broken up after he fired Dave Grohl which he was going to do. Dave was his sixth drummer and even Grohl has said "nevermind" wasn't the Nirvana sound he loved...that was "bleach". He would have divorced and remarried several times. He wouldn't find happiness. His music would become more acoustic as he grew older. A lot of the Nirvana following would hate it. A lot of true fans would follow him and he gain newer ones. He would forever resist the public demands for a Nirvana reunion (like Sting). And the rest of us would be arguing about how great/horrible his music was. __________________ http://816rocks.com/

April 13th, 2006, 07:49 PM	#54 (permalink)
Aen Tele-Holic Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 942	Found this: Here. __________________ Alt-country and psych-rock-tronica! Hey, be happy you can choose one genre for yourself! http://www.myspace.com/aenpage

April 13th, 2006, 10:35 PM	#55 (permalink)
noyes NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 8	"He got this 2 weeks before he died, and said it was his new favorite." He was definitely heading somewhere else musically. Would've loved to've heard what it was.

April 13th, 2006, 10:47 PM	#58 (permalink)
Aen Tele-Holic Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 942	Agreed. It's so good in fact, that it made me hate Nevermind. Also, I'm sure you heard "You know you're right" I always thought that one was alt-country, although he did rock the Jaguar on it, not the tele. But I suppose Jeff Tweedy plays a Jazzmaster, so those are alt-country too. __________________ Alt-country and psych-rock-tronica! Hey, be happy you can choose one genre for yourself! http://www.myspace.com/aenpage

April 13th, 2006, 11:04 PM	#59 (permalink)
noyes NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 8	yeah i don't like nevermind as much as i do, say, incesticide, where a classic song like Aerozeppelin, with it's amazing guitar riffs, never gets old. true, tweedy rocks the jazzmaster.