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Blazer · March 24th, 2006, 07:01 PM

... and it reinforced my decision to never listen to the radio anymore.

There simply is nothing real in the charts anymore, and even a band like Korn who I really used to dig sold out.

Rap is dead, Rap used to be angry african American kids who came out of the gutter who found a way to make themselves known in the music. Nowadays, rap is THE music but none of it is real. Sorry Dr Dre, but I don't believe you anymore, at the time of NWA, you had a reason to say what you said but when I see you now driving your 250 000 dollar lamborgini in your videos saying how tough life is I'll go "yeah right!"

Punk is dead, it's already come to the fact that even jocks dress up in the "Punk" way, look at the video's of so called punk bands and what do you see? They play super expensive equipment, have all these "popular" kids appearing along side them. HELLO, punk used to be the music of the kids who never were popular and who played crappy and cheap equipment simply because they couldn't afford better.

I guess Big Mouth of the Seventies Dutch Duo "Mouth and MacNeill" who had a world wide hit with "How do you do?" had a very valid point when he said "Good music will never played on hit radio."

I am about to record my first solo album, but given how the music industry currently works I doubt that it will get big.

I HATE the music scene as it is now.

CancerLeoCam · March 24th, 2006, 07:22 PM

Good analysis-at least I agree with you.

pamlicojack · March 25th, 2006, 10:35 AM

All the more reason to support your local music scene...

DlxNashvilleLuvr · March 25th, 2006, 11:34 AM

If you haven't already, make the acquaintance of GarageBand.com, SoundClick.com and CDBaby.com. You'll have to sort through a lot of poop but when you find something good you can get it direct from the entertainer.

Best new tunes I've found in a few years: Worldclass

Joel Terry · March 25th, 2006, 02:02 PM

Blazer, your feelings about the current state of mainstream music completely mirror my feelings about it.

I live here, right in the middle of one of the music centers of the world. Right in the middle. And if I was listening to any given modern country music-formatted FM radio station, I couldn't even begin to tell you the name of most, if not all, of the performers and their songs--not even with a gun to my head. :?

Mainstream contemporary music on FM radio, regardless of genre or format, has homogenized to the point of absurdity. I can't tell one performer from another. I mean, who really listens to this stuff?!

Forget about the music on AM/FM radio. It's a corpse that doesn't know it's dead. Go with satellite radio, or better yet, as DlxNashvilleLuvr mentioned, surf the Internet for your listening pleasure.

Joel

endzone · March 25th, 2006, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joel Terry

Blazer, your feelings about the current state of mainstream music completely mirror my feelings about it.

I live here, right in the middle of one of the music centers of the world. Right in the middle. And if I was listening to any given modern country music-formatted FM radio station, I couldn't even begin to tell you the name of most, if not all, of the performers and their songs--not even with a gun to my head. :?

Mainstream contemporary music on FM radio, regardless of genre or format, has homogenized to the point of absurdity. I can't tell one performer from another. I mean, [b]who really listens to this stuff/b]?!

Forget about the music on AM/FM radio. It's a corpse that doesn't know it's dead. Go with satellite radio, or better yet, as DlxNashvilleLuvr mentioned, surf the Internet for your listening pleasure.

Joel

I agree. I was SOooooo bored w/ the music on the radio that the only thing I ever listened to was a classic rock and/or a classic country stations...if I listened at all. I had actually realized that I spent more time in my car with no music than I did with music on. Then I got XM for Christmas. My Gosh!!! I feel like I have a purpose in my life again. I listened to Derrick Trucks' new CD the other day. Steely Dan live, Lee Roy Parnell, Lefty Frizzel, Marty Stuart, Asleep at the Wheel, lots of alt country and acoustic rock stuff...I could go on and on. Not to mention artists that I've not heard of before. I'm hearing the best music I've listened to on the radio in years. It's the best $13 bucks a month I could spend.

gr8radio · March 25th, 2006, 03:56 PM

"who listens to this stuff?" for modern country, it's women 24-54, and they do so in droves...modern country is generally their first preference in terrestrial radio.

Couldn't name one artist on the local modern country station? McGraw, Chesney, Strait, Brooks & Dunn, Keith and Haggard all have singles in the top 40 - that said, there are a lot of newer names too...that might be a big part of the "modern" in modern country.

Country radio and the folks that create it for a living tend to hyper-serve the 25-54 female demo - that's where the money is in the American household, and the advertisers spend money where they can reach her. That same female demo likes very little of the country made before 1992, aside from huge hits - and album cuts? Fugeddaboudit...she'll hit the tuner faster than you can say "Bakersfield". Radio is like any other business...it will not knowingly drive away the very customer it strives to attract.

As a 40 year old male, I came to grips with the fact that modern country radio isn't geared towards me, and what I really want to hear isn't going to be there nearly as often as I'd like. Of course, in MY world, it would be nothing but cool guitar songs...

Good, bad, or otherwise, these are some of the answers to a couple of the questions above. It's more a matter of economics than anything else once all is said and done.

Now...back to my CD....

genelovesjez · March 25th, 2006, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazer

... and it reinforced my decision to never listen to the radio anymore.

There simply is nothing real in the charts anymore

Was there ever? The music charts have never been the place to look for great music.

getbent · March 25th, 2006, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by genelovesjez

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazer

... and it reinforced my decision to never listen to the radio anymore.

There simply is nothing real in the charts anymore

Was there ever? The music charts have never been the place to look for great music.

yeah! here was another crappy period in music... check it out...

http://www.pieters-oldies-drivein.nl...dhits1965.html

genelovesjez · March 25th, 2006, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by getbent

Quote:

Originally Posted by genelovesjez

The music charts have never been the place to look for great music.

yeah! here was another crappy period in music... check it out...

http://www.pieters-oldies-drivein.nl...dhits1965.html

I've got to admit that's a pretty strong list of songs. Maybe the exception that proves the rule?

e-merlin · March 25th, 2006, 09:14 PM

I solved that problem. I bought a Subaru WRX with a nice exhaust system. I hardly listen to anything but the engine when I'm driving. It sounds soooooo good. Sometimes, I play the CD player. Today I was driving around playing Georgia Satellites "Open All Nite." It don't get any better.

getbent · March 26th, 2006, 02:40 AM

gene,

I didn't necessarily disagree with you and I apologize, that was kinda a jerky way for me to make a minor point... I do think things are a little different now... as the accountants and lawyers have figured out how to make money and "product" over again on less and less, the mistake those non creative folks always make is that there is a formula for any of this... the thing that makes something great is not quantifiable... which is why it is great. By just about any standard any of the great, great folks that many of us love should not have made it... merle is an ex con, cash can barely carry a tune, neil young... whoa boy! I dig all three of those guys but I can hardly imagine the jeffrey katzenbergs and faceless, soulless Les Moonves types taking a risk, developing talent... believing in a unique talent... I just got home and I'm watching Dionne Warwick... such a talent.. and bachrach... my GOSH what talent... they'd never make it today... they don't fit the little box... there was certainly a box in the old days... I readily admit that... but it wasn't the clever cynical box we have today... it was ignorance and foolishness.... what we have now is much nastier... thank goodness the internet, home recording and readily available good instruments will be the equalizer during our current dark time... I do believe in a couple of years we'll be in another golden age... there is no shortage of talent just some distribution problems which will be addressed by consumers who demand better. Sorry for the ramble here and especially sorry about the smarty pants example above...

SuzyQ · March 26th, 2006, 03:16 AM

Well, duhhhh...you guys are musicians...you hear music differently from the general population. They hear the riff, the hook, the message and the voice...and the repetition.

Musicians tend to prefer complexity in the music they listen to.

TG · March 26th, 2006, 08:12 AM

The radio is mainly pre-digested rubbish here too. Loads of that modern over-produced so-called R&B. Soul music without a trace of anyone's soul.
And that's when the DJs aren't talking inanely.

It's because the 'industry' is being controlled by people to whom the word 'note' only means 'bank note'.

I'm glad my car has a tape player.

jhundt · March 26th, 2006, 08:59 AM

The 'charts' are always crap, but nowhere on earth are they more crap than here in the good-old NL. This is the country that brought the world Luv and the Venga Boys!

The String King · March 26th, 2006, 10:34 AM

http://www.soundclick.com/pro/view/0...?bandID=114938

Tim Bowen · March 26th, 2006, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by genelovesjez

Was there ever? The music charts have never been the place to look for great music.

"The Year of the Cat" - Al Stewart

"Behind Closed Doors" - Charlie Rich

"Baker Street" - Gerry Rafferty

"Superfly" - Curtis Mayfield

"Still The One" - Orleans

"Dancing Queen" - ABBA

"Suspicious Minds" - Elvis Presley

"(It's a) Family Affair" - Sly and the Family Stone

"We've Only Just Begun" - The Carpenters

"Walkin' After Midnight" - Patsy Cline

"Diary" - Bread

"Purple Haze" - Jimi Hendrix

"Last Date" - Floyd Cramer

"Someone Saved My Life Tonight" - Elton John

"Tears of a Clown" - Smokey Robinson

"Middle of the Road" - The Pretenders

"Love Hangover" - Diana Ross

"Smoke on the Water" - Deep Purple

"Let's Stay Together" - Al Green

"Knockin' on Heaven's Door" - Bob Dylan

"The Weight" - The Band

"Voices Carry" - Til Tuesday

"Tiger by the Tail" - Buck Owens

"Flashlight" - P-Funk

"Mary Jane's Last Dance" - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers

"What's Goin' On" - Marvin Gaye

"Creep" - Radiohead

"(Tonight) The Bottle Let Me Down" - Merle Haggard

"Black Dog" - Led Zeppelin

"Wild World" - Cat Stevens

"Paranoid" - Black Sabbath

"Feelin' Stronger Every Day" - Chicago

"I Wish" - Stevie Wonder

"I Can't Let Go" - Linda Rondstadt

"Let It Be" - The Beatles

"Live To Tell" - Madonna

"That'll Be The Day" - Buddy Holly

"Bridge Over Troubled Water" - Simon & Garfunkle

"Hocus Pocus" - Focus

Many, MANY more.

I'll admit, my favorite "chart toppers" are mostly in line with my time spent on the planet. Thus, mainstream radio mostly bunches up me knickers anymore, so I listen to college radio for kicks.

TB

Oster · March 27th, 2006, 03:27 AM

Here's how to fix it:

The industry needs to bring back the 45, the single, the 3 minute miracle. Like guitarists realizing that anachronistic old tubes were the peak of innovation, we need to similarly take another step backwards to realize we may have stepped off the cliff in the name of progress.

We've had debates aplenty here about format vs. format so this is nothing new but hear me out:

In the old days, the competition was for the hit. Even in edgy, truly alternative circles, the emphasis was on the song - how good it was; how catchy it was. Not everyone could get their record heard; you had to be good or possessed with stubborn DIY vision to make the grade.

I don't even know why something like Billboard exists anymore - What constitutes a hit? An entire CD? Something that was used in a movie or commercial? A repeat download? I just don't get it.

If music could once again be captured and sold - by the song - as a single measurable, tangible, cherisable unit - it would become vital again. Its' computerization (both in its creation and representation) has sapped its vitality and robbed it of its power. We need people to go out their doors and buy these things again.

The medium is the key.

captain gorgeous · March 27th, 2006, 04:14 AM

i'm doing my bit. i just started a little indie record company and we're going to be doing 45s and cd singles exclusively.

Big John · March 28th, 2006, 07:21 AM

....... right there !!!! ....
There is a WORLD of great music out there just waiting for you to discover it, waiting for it to be transmitted on your radio just 'aint gonna happen so go outside your door and find it !!.
Better yet, follow CG's lead and start producing it yourself on your own label and get it OUT there !!
I'm lucky enough to be a sometime Mac Tech at one of the Cambridge colleges and i get to hear great, new music all day long, OK, you won't be hearing it on the radio anytime yet but it IS out there.
I have been a muso for 35+ years and before i came to work at college i too was fairly cynical about the whole music "thing" but being here has done me the world of good, i remember when i was their age and music was THE most important thing, before car tax, mortagage and grocery payments.
So, it's out there, its just hiding in different places nowadays, and at least the radio can be useful for traffic reports !!

March 24th, 2006, 07:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
Blazer Friend of Leo's Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,820	Looked at the current music chart in my country today... ... and it reinforced my decision to never listen to the radio anymore. There simply is nothing real in the charts anymore, and even a band like Korn who I really used to dig sold out. Rap is dead, Rap used to be angry african American kids who came out of the gutter who found a way to make themselves known in the music. Nowadays, rap is THE music but none of it is real. Sorry Dr Dre, but I don't believe you anymore, at the time of NWA, you had a reason to say what you said but when I see you now driving your 250 000 dollar lamborgini in your videos saying how tough life is I'll go "yeah right!" Punk is dead, it's already come to the fact that even jocks dress up in the "Punk" way, look at the video's of so called punk bands and what do you see? They play super expensive equipment, have all these "popular" kids appearing along side them. HELLO, punk used to be the music of the kids who never were popular and who played crappy and cheap equipment simply because they couldn't afford better. I guess Big Mouth of the Seventies Dutch Duo "Mouth and MacNeill" who had a world wide hit with "How do you do?" had a very valid point when he said "Good music will never played on hit radio." I am about to record my first solo album, but given how the music industry currently works I doubt that it will get big. I HATE the music scene as it is now. __________________ "I reject your reality and subsitute my own." - Adam Savage, Mythbusters

March 24th, 2006, 07:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
CancerLeoCam Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Riff-raff RSM, CA Posts: 1,745 5 Photos	Blazer! Good analysis-at least I agree with you. __________________ "I'm a man who believes that right is right and wrong is wrong. Treat me right, and I will give you my all. Treat me wrong, and I will give you nothing. They don't like me for that, but that's the way I am."

March 25th, 2006, 10:35 AM	#3 (permalink)
pamlicojack TDPRI Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: From Parts Unknown Posts: 65	Re: Blazer! All the more reason to support your local music scene... __________________ "This calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence." -Vyvyan

March 25th, 2006, 02:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
Joel Terry Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Old Hickory (Nashville), Tennessee, USA Age: 41 Posts: 4,680 17 Photos	Blazer, your feelings about the current state of mainstream music completely mirror my feelings about it. I live here, right in the middle of one of the music centers of the world. Right in the middle. And if I was listening to any given modern country music-formatted FM radio station, I couldn't even begin to tell you the name of most, if not all, of the performers and their songs--not even with a gun to my head. :? Mainstream contemporary music on FM radio, regardless of genre or format, has homogenized to the point of absurdity. I can't tell one performer from another. I mean, *who really listens to this stuff?! Forget about the music on AM/FM radio. It's a corpse that doesn't know it's dead. Go with satellite radio, or better yet, as DlxNashvilleLuvr mentioned, surf the Internet for your listening pleasure. Joel __________________ Currently reading: Jack Lord Was An Insufferable Ass; For Example,* His Christmas Gift To The Cast And Crew Was Passing A Roll Of Clorets Mints Around: Bitter Recollections From The Set Of Hawaii Five-O by Kam Fong as Chin Ho

March 25th, 2006, 03:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
gr8radio TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rochester MN Posts: 24	"who listens to this stuff?" for modern country, it's women 24-54, and they do so in droves...modern country is generally their first preference in terrestrial radio. Couldn't name one artist on the local modern country station? McGraw, Chesney, Strait, Brooks & Dunn, Keith and Haggard all have singles in the top 40 - that said, there are a lot of newer names too...that might be a big part of the "modern" in modern country. Country radio and the folks that create it for a living tend to hyper-serve the 25-54 female demo - that's where the money is in the American household, and the advertisers spend money where they can reach her. That same female demo likes very little of the country made before 1992, aside from huge hits - and album cuts? Fugeddaboudit...she'll hit the tuner faster than you can say "Bakersfield". Radio is like any other business...it will not knowingly drive away the very customer it strives to attract. As a 40 year old male, I came to grips with the fact that modern country radio isn't geared towards me, and what I really want to hear isn't going to be there nearly as often as I'd like. Of course, in MY world, it would be nothing but cool guitar songs... Good, bad, or otherwise, these are some of the answers to a couple of the questions above. It's more a matter of economics than anything else once all is said and done. Now...back to my CD.... __________________ “So in other words, grab that slab, plug that sucker in, and grind me a pound. Make yo ‘se’f happy” – Billy F. Gibbons

March 25th, 2006, 11:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
DlxNashvilleLuvr Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Age: 38 Posts: 704	If you haven't already, make the acquaintance of GarageBand.com, SoundClick.com and CDBaby.com. You'll have to sort through a lot of poop but when you find something good you can get it direct from the entertainer. Best new tunes I've found in a few years: Worldclass

March 26th, 2006, 02:40 AM	#12 (permalink)
getbent Moderator Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Benito County, California Posts: 13,671 37 Photos	gene, I didn't necessarily disagree with you and I apologize, that was kinda a jerky way for me to make a minor point... I do think things are a little different now... as the accountants and lawyers have figured out how to make money and "product" over again on less and less, the mistake those non creative folks always make is that there is a formula for any of this... the thing that makes something great is not quantifiable... which is why it is great. By just about any standard any of the great, great folks that many of us love should not have made it... merle is an ex con, cash can barely carry a tune, neil young... whoa boy! I dig all three of those guys but I can hardly imagine the jeffrey katzenbergs and faceless, soulless Les Moonves types taking a risk, developing talent... believing in a unique talent... I just got home and I'm watching Dionne Warwick... such a talent.. and bachrach... my GOSH what talent... they'd never make it today... they don't fit the little box... there was certainly a box in the old days... I readily admit that... but it wasn't the clever cynical box we have today... it was ignorance and foolishness.... what we have now is much nastier... thank goodness the internet, home recording and readily available good instruments will be the equalizer during our current dark time... I do believe in a couple of years we'll be in another golden age... there is no shortage of talent just some distribution problems which will be addressed by consumers who demand better. Sorry for the ramble here and especially sorry about the smarty pants example above... __________________ We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are

March 26th, 2006, 03:16 AM	#13 (permalink)
SuzyQ TDPRI Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Virginia Mountains and Shore Age: 54 Posts: 78	Well, duhhhh...you guys are musicians...you hear music differently from the general population. They hear the riff, the hook, the message and the voice...and the repetition. Musicians tend to prefer complexity in the music they listen to.

March 26th, 2006, 08:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
TG Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Beside a bog in the west of Ireland Age: 48 Posts: 6,338 9 Photos	The radio is mainly pre-digested rubbish here too. Loads of that modern over-produced so-called R&B. Soul music without a trace of anyone's soul. And that's when the DJs aren't talking inanely. It's because the 'industry' is being controlled by people to whom the word 'note' only means 'bank note'. I'm glad my car has a tape player.

March 26th, 2006, 08:59 AM	#15 (permalink)
jhundt Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Age: 55 Posts: 4,027 13 Photos	Blazer, baby, you should know better ! The 'charts' are always crap, but nowhere on earth are they more crap than here in the good-old NL. This is the country that brought the world Luv and the Venga Boys!

March 26th, 2006, 10:34 AM	#16 (permalink)
The String King Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: East Sussex, U.K. Age: 17 Posts: 1,072 22 Photos	Ahhh, a brilliant band is.... http://www.soundclick.com/pro/view/0...?bandID=114938 __________________ I twang therefore I am

March 27th, 2006, 03:27 AM	#18 (permalink)
Oster Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Latveria Age: 40 Posts: 2,855	#1 Solution Here's how to fix it: The industry needs to bring back the 45, the single, the 3 minute miracle. Like guitarists realizing that anachronistic old tubes were the peak of innovation, we need to similarly take another step backwards to realize we may have stepped off the cliff in the name of progress. We've had debates aplenty here about format vs. format so this is nothing new but hear me out: In the old days, the competition was for the hit. Even in edgy, truly alternative circles, the emphasis was on the song - how good it was; how catchy it was. Not everyone could get their record heard; you had to be good or possessed with stubborn DIY vision to make the grade. I don't even know why something like Billboard exists anymore - What constitutes a hit? An entire CD? Something that was used in a movie or commercial? A repeat download? I just don't get it. If music could once again be captured and sold - by the song - as a single measurable, tangible, cherisable unit - it would become vital again. Its' computerization (both in its creation and representation) has sapped its vitality and robbed it of its power. We need people to go out their doors and buy these things again. The medium is the key.

March 27th, 2006, 04:14 AM	#19 (permalink)
captain gorgeous Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Angel, North London Posts: 1,918 38 Photos	nice idea oster i'm doing my bit. i just started a little indie record company and we're going to be doing 45s and cd singles exclusively. __________________ "What is it with chimpanzees and that middle parting? It's so 1920s." www.myspace.com/daddylonglegsuk http://www.myspace.com/thetacticians

March 28th, 2006, 07:21 AM	#20 (permalink)
Big John Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Suffolk UK Posts: 6,679 39 Photos	Stop ! .... ....... right there !!!! .... There is a WORLD of great music out there just waiting for you to discover it, waiting for it to be transmitted on your radio just 'aint gonna happen so go outside your door and find it !!. Better yet, follow CG's lead and start producing it yourself on your own label and get it OUT there !! I'm lucky enough to be a sometime Mac Tech at one of the Cambridge colleges and i get to hear great, new music all day long, OK, you won't be hearing it on the radio anytime yet but it IS out there. I have been a muso for 35+ years and before i came to work at college i too was fairly cynical about the whole music "thing" but being here has done me the world of good, i remember when i was their age and music was THE most important thing, before car tax, mortagage and grocery payments. So, it's out there, its just hiding in different places nowadays, and at least the radio can be useful for traffic reports !! __________________ If you are going to be a bear, be a grizzly !!

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