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Looks like Guitar Center is in some money Trouble
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...NA678920120508
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: New Orleans, LA + in the past
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Fascinating.
This means, if the US economy goes into another big dump in the next 12 months, GC will default and there's no good "backup" source of payment. (Btw I don't see the economy doing this). What I don't think it means is, stores will start closing tomorrow. They probably should close 10 underperformers but won't do so because of the PR impact that decision could create. The arts and entertainment people, musicians and craftspeople have been taking it on the chin for about 30 years now, income and wealth wise. Musical instrument sales are not coming from musicians much anymore, but from real estate brokers, attorneys, dentists and the lucky sperm club. Ah, well. |
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So, if I read that correctly...GC just had their credit rating downgraded?
meh...happened to the majority of people already...AND the US government. No biggie. If they do go belly-up though...I'm standing in line for the close-out sale. |
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And computer geeks like me... Sorry we had the same problem with motorcycles in the 80's and 90's. That's why Harley's had such a high cost. Check the resales where a 10 year old bike has 5,000 miles.
I guess I can take heart that I'm actually learning and don't just have it sitting in a case in my closet or something. Carl
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And people ask why I wouldn't dream of buying Fender stock.
If GC went down (and they've been in trouble for quite some time and it's been obvious to me, as a customer) Fender is totally screwed. |
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I offered them 1/2 for a Tele off the rack and the guy just walked away |
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Join Date: Aug 2008
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This is what I find troubling.
For the last 20 or so years, these mega corporations destroyed the mom and pop industry, leaving virtually every town and city completely dependent on the box stores. Now these box stores are in financial trouble (no competition to keep them on their toes) so they start closing stores, leaving towns destitute. Here in Ft. Wayne, Blockbuster closed all of the stores around me and since there are very few independently owned rental stores, I can't even rent a movie now (unless I drive waaay out of my way), something I never would have thought would happen. People are still going to want to buy guitars and gear. Could it be the time is now right for the independent boutique manufacturers to team up with independent music stores?? If Fender had any sense, they would start cultivating this idea and instead of shunning the Mom and Pops, start developing a relationship with them, like Leo did. It was the Mom and Pops who put Fender on the map, not Guitar Center. |
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I hope they make it. I like 'em, most likely though, it will come to pass, and another thing I like to do will bite the dust. Even though they are big box, you can still deal with 'em. You can't go to WalMart and "make an offer" on anything. I like the whole thing at GC the looking, the excitement of buying, the trading, and dickering. I REALLY hate to see it go.
Maybe I'll get on down there and pony up for something for old times sake. I think I'll need a closet stretcher, maybe they have one of those, nah, that's home depot.
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I don't like the owner so I have no qualms about negotiating a hard deal or lowballing on used gear that's been on the wall for several months.
As I see it, it the economy picks up and people have more real disposable income, the sale of musical instruments will strengthen. The key will be seeing salaries increase with realtively low inflation. However, if Greece goes down the tubes and takes Europe with it, I think that will cause our economy to stall and GC will feel a lot of pain.
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It just occured to me Martin, Fender, etc. ought to require cash up front from GC.
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-- We believe the company will have to borrow under its revolver to meet its financing and operating needs during 2013 and that cushion to its senior leverage covenant will likely narrow to about 10% If they're in bad enough shape to need a revolver to get money then I don't see much hope. |
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Austin has three GC stores, which is about two too many. A town like Austin doesn't exactly need GC, yet we have a handful.
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musicians make up less than 10% of the population ... it's a small market to aim for ... Amazon sells books and music ... everybody reads and most people listen to music ...
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