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Old April 10th, 2011, 09:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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"Men give away nothing so liberally as their advice."--François de la Rochefoucauld

There's another thread around here recently where a fella is asking what tele to get in the 5,000-dollar range. He's thinking about a Fender Masterbuilt and wants advice.

Several guys have piped up with "why spend all that money on hype? Go to a smaller luthier (the names of several great guys on TDPRI have come up) and have them hand-build you one for less than half the price Fender charges to slap that decal on the headstock."

Some other guys have scolded the first guys for trying to dissuade the OP from what he wants. Some even accused the first guys of sour grapes: "You're dissing MBs because you can never afford one."

It's an interesting life puzzle: somebody asks for your advice, within certain parameters, but you feel that the parameters they set are not appropriate for the situation.

What do you do? Does good manners dictate that you stick within the set parameters, or does being a good friend mean that you tell the person they need to re-think their assumptions?

(Full disclosure: My advice was "I'd buy 2 Kirns!" )

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Old April 10th, 2011, 09:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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When someone asks me for advice, I tell 'em what I would do. AND... I would save some money.
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Old April 10th, 2011, 09:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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When the question is about something that's pretty much outside the range of my own experience (like a $5000 Telecaster), I try to refrain from giving advice!

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Old April 10th, 2011, 09:56 PM   #4 (permalink)
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There's two kinds of asking for advice.

There's the kind 'This is what I've decided to do, but haven't done yet. I want you to tell me I am going to do the right thing'

Then there's the 'Here are my options, can you help me make an informed choice?'

I try to swing my advice towards the informed choice kind. Let them know what 'I' would consider if it was me making the decision.

Usually, though, people who ask me are asking for the first kind of advice.
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Old April 10th, 2011, 09:59 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If I ever could spend 5k on a guitar (I certainly wouldn't), I would want some advice on gutars in that price range. It's like buying a car-you do research on them. You may want a Ford (in this case a Fender), but with a little resarch and questioning, you may find that a Toyota (A Kirn perhaps in this case) will get you much more bang for your buck.

Just saying, 5000 is a lot of money to spend on a guitar, why just wing it on your own when you can ask people in the know?
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Old April 10th, 2011, 10:10 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Asking what Tele to get in the $5000 range is the guitar-eqivalent of a woman asking if her bum looks fat in this.

My advice is the women's fashion equivalent of, "Yes, honey it does."

Buy a CVC and donate the change to your favourite charity and your bum will look great in it.
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Old April 10th, 2011, 10:11 PM   #7 (permalink)
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When someone asks me for advice, I tell 'em what I would do. AND... I would save some money.
Just be honest, it's their choice to request advice.
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Old April 10th, 2011, 10:13 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Somebody had a thread where they listed 5 or so phase shifters and they said, "I want it to sound like Waylon and be from one of these 5 please don't suggest used or a different model."

So, I knew 3 of the devices and knew which one I could quickly and easily cop that exact sound... and recommended it...

Almost all the respondents clearly did not listen to the Waylon clip and just recommended the phaser they liked... my head shakes as I type this...

On the 5K guitar thing... The guy says, "I wanna spend 5K on a tele"

Okay, so, you buy a detemple or you buy a vintage tele... to me the other advice is beside the point.

Sure you can drive to the store in a Yaris as easily as in a ferrari... sometimes you have ferrari money and wanna go in a ferrari... I can't understand why broke guys always want to lecture people with money on economics... but, they do!
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Old April 10th, 2011, 10:16 PM   #9 (permalink)
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When someone asks me for advice, I tell 'em what I would do.
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And I'll add a little to that.

Whenever I'm asked for my opinion or advice on a serious issue... I always repeat the question back to them, then remind them that they asked me for my opinion.

"Since you asked..."
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Old April 10th, 2011, 10:39 PM   #10 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=getbent;3224397]Somebody had a thread where they listed 5 or so phase shifters and they said, "I want it to sound like Waylon and be from one of these 5 please don't suggest used or a different model."

So, I knew 3 of the devices and knew which one I could quickly and easily cop that exact sound... and recommended it...

Almost all the respondents clearly did not listen to the Waylon clip and just recommended the phaser they liked... my head shakes as I type this...

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That was my thread! Many were $100+ pedal recommendations...
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Knowledge sharing is as natural as self-esteem and a desire to be accepted.

Guitar pickers got egos.
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Old April 10th, 2011, 10:56 PM   #12 (permalink)
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if you ask advice from a bunch of strangers on an internet forum, you deserve whatever you get ... and you get what you paid for, as well ...
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if you ask advice from a bunch of strangers on an internet forum, you deserve whatever you get ... and you get what you paid for, as well ...
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Old April 11th, 2011, 01:34 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Knowledge sharing is as natural as self-esteem and a desire to be accepted.

Guitar pickers got egos.
Yeah, and related to this, I think there's sometimes an impulse to try to get the other person to value things the way that you value them--to reinforce your view of the world. I have to admit that I actually have an emotional reaction when people say they spent $5,259.99 on a La Cabronita or something like that. I may or may not be able to keep my mouth shut, but I can't NOT roll my eyes.

Somebody wrote in another thread recently: "women are ruled by emotions; men are ruled by logic." I didn't post on that, but I genuinely LOL'ed.
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Must be gettin' up in years.

Can't afford to give away any mo' pieces of my mind.

Sho' won't have any left.

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Old April 11th, 2011, 08:01 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Name me anyone who takes advice, i'd like to sell them some insurance
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Old April 11th, 2011, 11:02 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Name me anyone who takes advice, i'd like to sell them some insurance
Here's some advice-don't play in traffic

Can I have your guitars when you decide to not listen to my advice?
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Old April 11th, 2011, 11:22 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I remember that thread... and laughing when the first several answers were "none of the above." I remember thinking that these repliers hadn't read (or understood) the question. I read the first several posts to my GF who said, "That's not what he asked for? Did they even read it?"

I like Tim's answer. For example - I read a question like, "Which of these 2 specific Tele's should I buy?" If I don't have a definite opinion about the 2 Tele's, I won't post anything. The guy has narrowed down his choices to these 2. I wouldn't think of telling him to buy something else.

On the other hand, when someone says they're considering a specific guitar and does anyone have an opinion on something better they might consider - then, it's fair to respond with one's opinions about alternatives.
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5K on A Telecaster. I would buy one USA Standard and Ten Squiers!
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Old April 11th, 2011, 11:38 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Here's some advice-don't play in traffic

Can I have your guitars when you decide to not listen to my advice?
Unless you're chasing ambulances.

Advise you don't have them, they make you sound like you can't play
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