When I was a kid, the Super Bowl Halftime Shows were performed by.....

[telideli]

...the 'UP WITH PEOPLE' organization.......and we didn't complain.

We didn't even have 100 other channels to escape to either!

Has the youth of America beome spoiled, overly-judgemental, selfish wankers?

[brokenjoe]

Originally Posted by telideli

Has the youth of America beome spoiled, overly-judgemental, selfish wankers?

Yup. just as we were to our parents!

[telideli]

Originally Posted by brokenjoe

Yup. just as we were to our parents!

Exactly!....Now I fully understand where they were coming from. But the gap has widened ten-fold.

[simonc]

is that anything like on that Simpsons episode with "Hooray for everything" ?

[telideli]

Originally Posted by simonc

is that anything like on that Simpsons episode with "Hooray for everything" ?

probably.....

[getbent]

Originally Posted by telideli

Exactly!....Now I fully understand where they were coming from. But the gap has widened ten-fold.

The gap is the same as it was before.

Back then, they did a show that would appeal to 34-54 year old people... just like they do now...

Meet the old boss, same as the new boss....

'up up with people, you meet wherever you go, up up with people, they're the best kinda folks you know! if more people were for people and people everywhere...'

my friends and I complained about the halftime show... and went out in the street and played football... now, people are just as lazy and whiny, but now they have the internet to whine and complain on and they don't go outside... but other than that... bidness is boomin' in the 'same' dept.

[woodman]

Wonder what the halftime show at the first Super Bowl was ... a brass band? I was sort of out of the world at that time, just wondered if anybody remembers .... ???

[getbent]

Woody, it was the grambling band, the arizona band and our own Anaheim High (go Colonists!) drill team....

truly, the good old days!


it was quaintly lame until 1991 (palindromatic revenge I suppose) when the New Kids on the Block soiled our senses... after that... all crapola that fully embodies fake hipster lame....

at least with up with people or al hirt or pete fountain.... no one is pretending to be cool...

and while I do love the permanently etched image of Gloria Estefan in a pair of chaps... I've never ever ever wanted to see the Miami Sound Macheen.

[telideli]

No, I don't buy that I was the same as the kids today. I watched the 'tweets' online and you wouldn't believe the nasty tone of the messages. Every kind of disgusting, tasteless 'old people' insult you've ever heard was put out there when 'The Who' were playing.

We didn't have the choices the young have today. My TV was my parent's radio. Neither was even close to being as limitless as the internet, and cable TV, mp3 players, CD/DVD players, etc...

Much more instant gratification demanded today, and the youth today want everything to be 'of the moment', regardless of it's 'quality'.

And 'Boomer' generation 'anything' is becoming more and more despised by the day. I don't remember hating and tearing down my parents Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Peggy Lee, and Benny Goodman records.....

[getbent]

objects in the rear view mirror frequently don't reflect their actual size.

we didn't have twitter back then, if we did, we would have been just as snarky.

I can remember giving my grandma and my mom all kinds of ribbing for listening to Sinatra... Sammy Davis (the candyman? c'mon man, it is true that it might be a guilty pleasure, but I didn't know anyone my age who didn't think Sam was a complete tool) Roger Whitaker? Andy Williams, the Lennon Sister... utter pablum.

the rat pack thing only became 'cool' a few years ago... I remember when playing Vegas was considered 'sold out' and completely lame and bankrupt. It was what you did when your career was over (like, uh, Branson now)...

I absolutely remember rippin and tearin' into the crappy pop of my parents day and them being appalled that I said it sucked... it was just as bad as the crap now...

When Sinatra would go on Carson after he couldn't sing anymore... ooof.

I didn't watch today's halftime show because, well, I gotta keep my streak alive... but, watching the who now... is like watching Buddy Hackett at the end of his life on Match Game... I'm happy he can still get a gig, but that doesn't mean I'll watch it....

[stevieboy]

People have forgotten the true meaning of halftime--it's to go to the bathroom and get another beer.

Up With People was perfect for that.

[telideli]

But we didn't have 'tweeter' nor the internet to anonymously throw out hateful garbage without repercussions.

Whether we would've or not done the same is not the question. We handled our frustrations primarily by coming to terms with them, and growing up emotionally because of it.

Today, there's no need to tame harmful and insulting behavior. And the 'cancer' spreads uncontrollably without any barriers.

I'm certainly against any kind of internet censorship. Just calling it as it is and wondering where it's all going.

As far as my youth, I'm struggling to remember schoolyard shootings when I was a kid in the 60's/early 70's,...

....because there weren't any.

[getbent]

here is a short list of school shootings... you'll notice that they occurred in the 1970's.

I remember visiting friends in Sacramento in 1976 and seeing a guy I knew (Don Goodwin) cut down at the party... shot, dead before he hit the ground... and behind the intended target who was also killed.

Have it anyway you want it... but, isn't your observation kind of a different stripe of the same zebra?

Folks have always been violent, kids have always been belligerent and acted out and flaunted their youth with rebellion.

Most kids I meet these days (we had a passel of them over this weekend) are nice, polite, kind, thoughtful kids. I'm sure when we aren't around they are a little more real...

your signature line is absolutely a nod to Mick feeling older and not wanting to lose his edge, which was long gone by 77.

Would you say that you are coming to grips with your frustrations with the youth without using the internet?

[telideli]

Originally Posted by getbent

here is a short list of school shootings... you'll notice that they occurred in the 1970's.



Would you say that you are coming to grips with your frustrations with the youth without using the internet?

I never heard about those 70's killings aside from U of Texas and Ohio. But it's easy to see they are accelerating at an alarming rate.

I have no "frustrations" about what I'm writing about here. Just serious concerns, and I'd find a way to communicate them to someone with or without an internet.

In my opinion, Jagger was still very relevant in '77.

[getbent]

I think if you do a comparison of population in the US during the periods you examine, you'll find they track with population growth...

Just because we don't hear about things doesn't mean that they don't happen.

30K+ folks died of starvation today... and will tomorrow. Most folks don't know how large that number is... it is the size of the town nearest to me... every day!

Jagger was pretty much the establishment he pretended to hate in the 60's... hangin' with Jerry Hall, NY literati and the art crowd... even though I like the Some Girls record... a lot of disco on there... just kinda pandering to what would sell...

I don't think he was very relevant to Johnny Rotten! ha ha!

It is good to be concerned and to express the concern, I think if you look at the data, our lives are different, but our fundamental makeup... well, it is the same. No better, no worse...

[tbp0701]

I remember the Up with People shows; I also remember thinking that they were annoyingly bad, even when I was 9. I'm sure I voiced my opinion.

[telideli]

Originally Posted by getbent

Jagger was pretty much the establishment he pretended to hate in the 60's...

I don't think he was very relevant to Johnny Rotten! ha ha!

I'd bet Johnny Rotten was pretty fair at pretending too!

[getbent]

Originally Posted by telideli

I'd bet Johnny Rotten was pretty fair at pretending too!

could be... I think sometimes people are pretending and sometimes they lull themselves into thinking things are one way or the other....

I don't think Keith or Mick were ever anything more than middle class kids with great musical taste and mountains of talent and ambition. They weren't trying to change the world or even rebel against it... they just wanted to do what they dug.. then later, they became probably what they did NOT dig when they were young.

That happens to a lot of people... they start off with a bunch of hopes and dreams and very definitely do not want to become their parents... but they usually do. Their youthful ambitions weren't as noble as they thought and their parents weren't as lame as they thought... and the wheel, it keeps turning....

my recollections of seeing acts like up with people have to do with the ribald comments the fellers would make about which one of the girls was the 'dirty' girl... all very tame in many ways (compared to Brit and Madonna smooching on tv) but like the difference from radio to tv, we don't have to imagine as much as we used to, which makes us imagine new things...

most is harmless, but the worst of us come up with some pretty bad stuff...

(like the Boston Strangler!)

[dean]

Woodman asks:

Wonder what the halftime show at the first Super Bowl was ... a brass band? I was sort of out of the world at that time, just wondered if anybody remembers .... ???

I can't remember if that game was in color or not. I'm pretty sure we didn't have a color TV set then, and I'm not even sure we could get the station that carried the Super Bowl in the area where I lived (NW Montana).

Dean

[F6_FullMelt]

getbent is dropping the wisdom.

[Durtdog]

Originally Posted by F6_FullMelt

getbent is dropping the wisdom.

Yeah, but when he was a kid, the halftime show consisted of feeding Christians to the lions.

[yark14]

Originally Posted by telideli

No, I don't buy that I was the same as the kids today. I watched the 'tweets' online and you wouldn't believe the nasty tone of the messages. Every kind of disgusting, tasteless 'old people' insult you've ever heard was put out there when 'The Who' were playing.

We didn't have the choices the young have today. My TV was my parent's radio. Neither was even close to being as limitless as the internet, and cable TV, mp3 players, CD/DVD players, etc...

Much more instant gratification demanded today, and the youth today want everything to be 'of the moment', regardless of it's 'quality'.

And 'Boomer' generation 'anything' is becoming more and more despised by the day. I don't remember hating and tearing down my parents Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Peggy Lee, and Benny Goodman records.....

Well, guess what generation brought computers, the internet, and cell phones into everyday life?

Yours.

The kids of today are just using the tools available to them. They didn't invent them, its the old folks with tech/engineering/etc degrees inventing the fancy gadgets that supposedly "displace" the youth.

[sixstringbastard]

The just need a creme de la creme marching band, the pro bowl of marching bands, playing some John Phillip Sousa.

The simple things are truly the best things.

[Brad Pittiful]

i remember as a kid the super bowl was on at 1pm same as the regular season...at half time me and my friends would be outside playing football until a parent would yell to us that the game was back on

and why isnt the super bowl on saturday...they play it up to be a party...people have to work on monday...make it saturday dang nab it

[FirstBassman]

Originally Posted by telideli

When I was a kid, the Super Bowl Halftime Shows were performed by the 'UP WITH PEOPLE' organization.......and we didn't complain.

Well, maybe you didn't, but I did.
I always thought UwP was lame.
A good opportunity to go to the bathroom or get something to eat.

Let's see ... Tom Petty, Bruce Springsteen, The Who, etc. ... or Up with People.
No contest.

[kelnet]

Originally Posted by getbent

Jagger was pretty much the establishment he pretended to hate in the 60's... hangin' with Jerry Hall, NY literati and the art crowd... even though I like the Some Girls record... a lot of disco on there... just kinda pandering to what would sell...

I was right with you, getbent, until the disco comment.
One song is not "a lot of disco."
1. "Miss You"
2. "When the Whip Comes Down"
3. "Just My Imagination (Running Away with Me)"
4. "Some Girls"
5. "Lies"
6. "Far Away Eyes"
7. "Respectable"
8. "Before They Make Me Run"
9. "Beast of Burden"
10. "Shattered"

It was more punk than disco, and there wasn't much of that, either.
Anyway, sorry to interrupt. I'll let you get back to the original discussion.

[tboy]

Originally Posted by getbent

I didn't watch today's halftime show because, well, I gotta keep my streak alive... but, watching the who now... is like watching Buddy Hackett at the end of his life on Match Game... I'm happy he can still get a gig, but that doesn't mean I'll watch it....

I know what you mean. I watched it, but to me, it was like slowing for a car wreck. It made me kind of sad.

And I have to think, it was more about me than The Who. I'm happy I can still get a gig, but that doesn't mean crowds will still come out. No self pity (well... not a lot). Just the way it is. Good for all older musicians who can still get out and gig, whether or not you have a catalog of great songs like that backing you up.

[TELE_BLUES]

Originally Posted by Brad Pittiful

i remember as a kid the super bowl was on at 1pm same as the regular season...at half time me and my friends would be outside playing football until a parent would yell to us that the game was back on

and why isnt the super bowl on saturday...they play it up to be a party...people have to work on monday...make it saturday dang nab it

One of the talking heads on the pregame show said monday after the super bowl should be a national holiday,maybe the best thing i heard all day

[woodman]

Halftime, as i've always understood it as a football fan, is something to be endured, not an entertainment showcase. No matter who's playing, a thirty-minute halftime is ridiculous (unless you're Sean Payton cooking up an onsides kick).

[PapaBeef]

I think they were trying whatever their lame corporate minds could come up with to keep their audience from walking away at halftime. There really weren't many close or exciting Super Bowl games early on.

[stevieboy]

Originally Posted by woodman

Halftime, as i've always understood it as a football fan, is something to be endured, not an entertainment showcase. No matter who's playing, a thirty-minute halftime is ridiculous (unless you're Sean Payton cooking up an onsides kick).

I'm with you on this one, but it's not going to change. The half time show has evolved to become an institution, and it gets talked about and written about--and watched--almost as much as the game. The NFL, the networks, and the sponsors have to be happy about that. It creates interest with people who don't even care about football. And it adds to the idea that the Super Bowl is a big event, not just a game--though to me "just a game" is more than enough.


What other event do the ads get talked about so much? That does seem to waning a bit, and I think the halftime show is taking over from the ads as the non football focus.

[PapaBeef]

Originally Posted by dean

Woodman asks:


I can't remember if that game was in color or not. I'm pretty sure we didn't have a color TV set then, and I'm not even sure we could get the station that carried the Super Bowl in the area where I lived (NW Montana).

Dean

I don't think I saw a football game in color until 1970.
My family moved in 69 & that was when we bought our first color TV. But my parents went out on Super Bowl Sunday that year & dumped me at my aunt & uncle's house. So I had to watch the JETS beat the Colts on their crappy black & white TV, which had a screen over the actual TV screen that was blue at the top, yellow in the middle & green at the bottom.
It was a 60s thing that someone came out with to simulate real color tv.

[getbent]

Originally Posted by kelnet

I was right with you, getbent, until the disco comment.
One song is not "a lot of disco."
1. "Miss You"
2. "When the Whip Comes Down"
3. "Just My Imagination (Running Away with Me)"
4. "Some Girls"
5. "Lies"
6. "Far Away Eyes"
7. "Respectable"
8. "Before They Make Me Run"
9. "Beast of Burden"
10. "Shattered"

It was more punk than disco, and there wasn't much of that, either.
Anyway, sorry to interrupt. I'll let you get back to the original discussion.

put that record on and then play exile on main street.

That engine needed a new timing belt man...

[telideli]

I miss This guy......

[Brad Pittiful]

Originally Posted by TELE_BLUES

One of the talking heads on the pregame show said monday after the super bowl should be a national holiday,maybe the best thing i heard all day

or have it on a saturday

[PapaBeef]

I'll take the national holiday.
Even if they did play on a Saturday, I know some people who would still be hung over on Monday.
If they have the chance to stay home & sleep it off we'd all be safer.

[getbent]

Originally Posted by telideli

I miss This guy......

Howard was pretty awesome that one night when he was hammered on the air... I was at my buddy's house and his old man kept saying "howards in the bag!" and laughing his ass off...

[PapaBeef]

As with too many other things, I didn't appreciate Howard until he was gone.

[TELE_BLUES]

Originally Posted by PapaBeef

I'll take the national holiday.
Even if they did play on a Saturday, I know some people who would still be hung over on Monday.
If they have the chance to stay home & sleep it off we'd all be safer.

The guy that slept on my couch in the basement sports/music room would probaly agree.

[Notalent]

No way is the gap the same...third graders with cell phones wearing Victoria's Secret thongs!