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Old November 6th, 2009, 12:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I need a capo that doesn't make everything go sharp...

...suggestions??? Currently using a Dunlop "Advanced Guitar Capo." I think the adjustments on these are just too coarse. It's either too loose, or it's strangling the neck and throwing everything sharp.

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Old November 6th, 2009, 12:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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you need a Shubb capo - they make one special for Telecasters w/ 7" radius, and also other models for Strats and Gibsons etc. You set the tension with a thumb screw, and you can set it as light as you like. Absolutely essential piece of kit for a Tele-slinger.
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Old November 6th, 2009, 01:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Capo design...placement and use, is a whole Science unto itself IMO....
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Shubb!!!

IMHO...Those clothespin type thingies suck too!!! I HATE trying to work with another guitarist who is using one of those!! Kyser makes those...I think???
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Old November 6th, 2009, 01:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
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+1 for the Shubb - the ONLY kind of capo to get!
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Old November 6th, 2009, 01:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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+1 for the Shubb - the ONLY kind of capo to get!
+2 on the Shubb.
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Old November 6th, 2009, 02:01 PM   #7 (permalink)
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If I have to capo, I'll use the shubb as well.

However, no capo is going to be perfect. You're still going to have to do a little retuning if you want thing to be as close to perfect as possible.

A lot also depends upon your action. The farther you have to pull those strings, the sharper they're gonna be.
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Old November 6th, 2009, 02:25 PM   #8 (permalink)
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However, no capo is going to be perfect. You're still going to have to do a little retuning if you want thing to be as close to perfect as possible.
I generally use the Shubb. Recently I had some tunes in the set that required capo'ing at the 7th and 9th fret as well as the more standard 2nd or 3rd, and readjusting the Shubb to deal with the differences in neck width was irritating, so I used the G7th capo. Even when you're careful, there's usually a string that requires retuning in either case. Plus, you then discover how intonation varies up the neck.

Seems ALL the singers I work with use the Kyser detuning device, which they humorously market as a "capo transposition device". I had to put my foot down and make them retune after each capo move. They were all surprised how out of tune they were.
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Old November 6th, 2009, 02:28 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I use a Shubb. If you're using this on a vintage electric guitar neck, Shubb makes one designed for a 7 1/2 radius board, so you don't have that "tight in the middle, loose at the ends" business.
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Old November 6th, 2009, 02:37 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I have a kyser capo which works just fine on my acoustic and teles.
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Old November 6th, 2009, 02:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old November 6th, 2009, 03:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Capo design...placement and use, is a whole Science unto itself IMO....
I very much agree.

I use Shubb on my Teles and an old Wittner on my Dobro.

just recently I ordered a shubb clone just because it was so cheap.
like 3.95€ instead of 16,-€ for a shubb.

the clone is a bit bigger in size but the design is clearly copied from shubb .....and, it doesn't work

spot the difference

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Too sharp an angle... but would it help to cut back some of the rubber closest to the angle?
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Old November 6th, 2009, 05:13 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Shubb.

Simple, bombproof, works perfectly. As has been noted, they offer them to fit different types of guitars specifically. Including a wider 12 string capo, which works perfectly on my 7 string. Yay, Shubb!
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Old November 6th, 2009, 11:26 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I've used Kysers in the past, but I went shubb and never looked back.

Most capos I see are around $20 and I think, "Twenty bucks for THAT little thing?"

But I've had my shubb for over 10 years and it is still going strong.
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Old November 6th, 2009, 11:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Old November 6th, 2009, 11:36 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I had been using a brass Shubb for years and years. They work great and are a classic, timeless design, but not the best for quick changes. I use a capo a lot so last year I bought one of the Planet Waves Dual Action capos and I couldn't be happier. Works every bit as well as my Shubb, but is much more convenient for quick changes and easy to clip on the headstock to store it. Shubb is still an excellent choice though and are built to last.

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Old November 6th, 2009, 11:43 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Two capos that work the best for me are the Dunlop - Victor capo and G7 capo. the pressure on the strings is very adjustable on both units. the Victor is available flat or curved.



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Old November 7th, 2009, 12:46 AM   #19 (permalink)
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i recently bought a kyser, it's the only capo i've ever had that i like. it works fine on my 9.5 radius strat. as long as it's in tune to start with, it doesn't seem to me that they kyser throws it out of tune (unlike every other one i ever used.)
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Old November 7th, 2009, 01:17 AM   #20 (permalink)
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One other thought, where you put the capo can make a difference. If you put it right in the middle of the fret, try putting it closer to the fret and see if that helps.
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Just like a when nut that is too high and makes your G and B strings sound sharp on the first three frets, have your frets planed and polished. Get em down low...
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Old November 7th, 2009, 02:26 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I have Shubb, Kyser, and G7th Performance capos currently. They all have their pros and cons. As to the best marriage of 'open string' response and reasonably accurate intonation, my current fave is the G7. I get the best open string ring from the Kyser, but the intonation is pretty lousy. I always seem to have plinky A string issues with Shubb, regardless of instrument setup, but the intonation is superb. All of that being said, there's no way I'm going to place a capo on an instrument without expecting to retune. It's a matter of degree and compromise.
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I have many capos, mostly Kyser Quickchange...but I use a old Dunlop "wrap-around" capo for my Telecaster, if I need to capo an electric guitar!
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Old November 7th, 2009, 04:53 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Old November 7th, 2009, 05:28 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I have probably every type of capo made and the Shubb works very well, however it is not made for quick changing. It takes two hands to place it accurately unless you have lots of time. I use the Dunlop trigger on all my electrics if I need a capo because it is not so strong it pulls the strings down behind the fret causing them to go out of tune.

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In my other life I play bluegrass guitar.

I have become a capo slut.

Shubbs work very well.

Have to store them in a pocket when not in use.

"Paige" type capos can be stored over the nut when not in use.

Guess which one I us?

Paige has a new one called the "Click." It can actually be positioned and tightened with one hand. I was skeptical at first, but I stuck with it and am not a believer.

As for tuning...how you position any capo and how tight you make it will have a great impact upon how much touching up will be needed.

A capo is just like any other tool/instrument in that you need to learn how it operates and get some practice with it.
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In my other life I play bluegrass guitar.

I have become a capo slut.

Shubbs work very well.

Have to store them in a pocket when not in use.

"Paige" type capos can be stored over the nut when not in use.

Guess which one I us?

Paige has a new one called the "Click." It can actually be positioned and tightened with one hand. I was skeptical at first, but I stuck with it and am not a believer.

As for tuning...how you position any capo and how tight you make it will have a great impact upon how much touching up will be needed.

A capo is just like any other tool/instrument in that you need to learn how it operates and get some practice with it.
Exactly, Buck!

I play bluegrass as well -both banjo, and guitar. A capo is essential for both instruments to get those 'position' licks.

No capo is perfect, and one has to know how to use it properly to minimize the headaches. I use shubbs on both, however, I might look into the new Paige...
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I use a Shubb for all of the strings and a keyser for my partial capo. Sometimes I use them both at the same time. There was a definite learning process in regards to figuring out how to slap a capo on w/out mucking up the tuning.
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As for tuning...how you position any capo and how tight you make it will have a great impact upon how much touching up will be needed.
Yep. Get it right there behind the fret and it will work a lot more efficiently. I've been using Kysers for years with minimal retuning issues. I like the Dunlop Victor too, but it's slow to put on and take off.
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I prefer the "Bird of Paradise" capo. Works great and it's "cute."

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Shubb for me. Know some guys that use the G7th with great success, but it's too much of a big machine for my taste. Anything that can vary the pressure and has the correct radius can be set to not sharpen the strings.
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I'm surprised this thread got this far without mention of the Planet Waves NS capo, which I've understood is quite popular. I used a Kyser for many years until I tried the NS capo and it works really well for me, it solved the tuning issue I had with the Kyser. It works exactly the same as the Victor but it's much lighter, which I like.
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I'm a Shubbs guy but as Tim says, "you gotta re-tune a little no matter what".
I have one electric guitar that I primarily only play capo'd at the 1st fret (and sometimes the 3rd fret).
I had my tech intonate it and set it up with the capo on the 1st fret. Along with careful capo placement this refinement helped to minimize my re-tuning issues. YMMV.
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I had this problem last year.

Then I quit the country band.

But seriously, no capo is perfect, even the best will throw you off a little, unless your action is really low and it perfectly matches the fretboard radius.
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Have a look at 232 different capos at the Capo Museum.
quite interesting, imo.
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If you already have some type of "quick change" trigger capo you can use a rubber band around the trigger (both arms/the part you squeeze) to help counter the strength of the spring. With a little experimentation you can make the tension of a Kyser or Dunlop perfect. Worth trying if you already have something...
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First, Shubb.

Second, Planet Waves Dual Action, and NS.

Third, Paige.

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Old November 9th, 2009, 12:49 AM   #38 (permalink)
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I used a G7th for last night's show (on a high-string guitar, this time around) but I retuned after placement, same as always.

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I'm surprised this thread got this far without mention of the Planet Waves NS capo, which I've understood is quite popular. I used a Kyser for many years until I tried the NS capo and it works really well for me, it solved the tuning issue I had with the Kyser. It works exactly the same as the Victor but it's much lighter, which I like.
I used the NS for a while, but it unfortunately got left behind at a Nashville gig a few years back. It was solid. In my experience, the general intonation is better than with a Kyser, but not as good as with a Shubb or G7th. The NS has really good open string ring and nice contact with the board. No experience here with Victor capos.
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