"It Might Get Loud" . . . just saw it !!!

[tuuur]

Originally Posted by flatout9

Jack who? Wasn't he in a movie about school of rock or something?

That would be Jack BLACK, not Jack WHITE...

[djinn1973]

Originally Posted by johnny7

When did Jack White become a legend? Did I miss that?

John

Thats the only thing thats kept me from seeing it...

[Slow Reflexes]

Jeez, this is ridiculous. Reminds me of going to the movies with my wife - if she finds out someone from her formidable list of "seemingly inoffensive actors who somehow managed to displease her in some movie 15 years ago" appears in the movie, she'll just refuse to watch it. My dad did the same thing with Dustin Hoffman because of Midnight Cowboy (which he never saw, but whatever).

I end up having to sneak movies in on them. I got my dad with Hook; I'm not sure how long it took before he realised he'd seen and enjoyed a Dustin Hoffman performance. It's harder with the wife, though... she's too good about reading the entertainment and gossip news.

[bradpdx]

I'm not really a fan of any of these players all that much, but they certainly represent huge trendsetters and none of them are dummies. They are all genuine pros, regardless of technicalities. I'll watch it just to see what they have to say.

[Tele-Jones]

Jack White's done a good deal more than just play stripped down blues on cheap instruments with a sub-par drummer. In addition to his other 2 groups, this is actually pretty damn good:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Lear_Rose

[bluetele54]

Originally Posted by jonzer

I'm not a big U2 fan. I think having Edge in this is a great choice because he comes from a unique perspective. I think it's really cool to feature this guy after his 30 years of being in about the biggest band in the world (consistently), and to have him in awe of Jimmy Page....that's great.
Jack White is a great choice too because of his perspective and creativity, and he's greatly influenced by the top of the food chain here, Jimmy Page.
Jimmy Page is a great choice of course because, well, he's Jimmy Freaking Page.

This movie could feature three players I'm not a fan of and I would still be interested since it's a focus on the instrument...and if the guys had unique perspectives on it.

If someone like Carlos Santana was in this he'd do all in his power to make it all about Carlos Santana. Rock stars always have egos but I think there is a humbleness that comes with the three guys selected. It's really cool to see people with a lot of accomplishments and success like Edge and White be simple music fans. It's also cool to see Page still excited about playing guitar.

Keith Richards would have been an interesting choice but we wouldn't have been able to understand anything he'd say.

...in the credits,he's also one of the executive producers of the film...

http://www.filmsinreview.com/2009/09...ight-get-loud/

[bluetele54]

Originally Posted by djinn1973

Thats the only thing thats kept me from seeing it...

...it's worth seeing,but,as an older Zep fan,some of the Zep related historical footage was of interest to me...

...Edge gotta' lotta' pedals...

...Jack gotta' lotta' moxie,and his "character" is as important to his marketability as his self prescribed simplistic approach to the guitar...as a tone generator,he's made his mark,but if you ask me,I'd rather listen to Frankie Lee Sims...

...coulda' done without that ugly arse version of "The Weight" at the end...absolutely embarrassing...sounded like a drunken' 4AM party ending droolfest where everyone hugs at the end thinking it was the greatest rendition since the "Band" recorded it...ugh...

...my fave moment WAS the look on Jack Whites' face when Page plays (initially fumbled) the "Whole Lotta' Love" lick..."OMG,that's Pagey playing THAT lick!!!"...it was priceless!!!...

[Mike Eskimo]

So a lot of what turns people off of the White Stripes is Meg White's drumming ?

If somebody says "She's not even that good of a drummer !" then I know 2 things :

1.) You wouldn't know punk if it hit you in the head.

2.) You wouldn't know blues if it hit you in the head.

Bonus 3.) Probably have the Alligator records complete discography and the Steely Dan box set at home.

Musicianship in rock ? And how is that important ?

[Jackson Jackson]

Originally Posted by Mike Eskimo

So a lot of what turns people off of the White Stripes is Meg White's drumming ?

If somebody says "She's not even that good of a drummer !" then I know 2 things :

1.) You wouldn't know punk if it hit you in the head.

2.) You wouldn't know blues if it hit you in the head.

Musicianship in rock ? And how is that important ?

If you are a drummer, your primary function is to keep time. She fails.

There's nothing "blues" about playing poorly, and there are plenty of punk bands that can play well. Meg White is simply not a good drummer. It doesn't bother me, I simply choose not to listen to most of the White Stripes music.

So saying someone doesn't know anything about blues or punk because they recognize Meg White as being a lousy drummer is a bit ridiculous, don't you think?

[Vince in KC]

Just saw it..... must see for page fans and fans of loud electric guitars.

[Mike Eskimo]

If you are a drummer, your primary function is to keep time. She fails.

There's nothing "blues" about playing poorly, and there are plenty of punk bands that can play well. Meg White is simply not a good drummer. It doesn't bother me, I simply choose not to listen to most of the White Stripes music.

So saying someone doesn't know anything about blues or punk because they recognize Meg White as being a lousy drummer is a bit ridiculous, don't you think?

John Bonham - universally recognized as one of the greatest (the greatest ?) rock drummmers no ?

How many hours of bootleg Zep you got ?

Me ?

Hundreds of hours.

He "keeps time" on , at most, 70% of it.


The Stripes are garage rock.

Have you heard of the Monks, The Sonics, the Velvet Underground (chick drummer who technically "sucked") ?

Jeff Beck said to Jack (and I quote) "She's the gold dust man - lose her and you lose the whole thing."


Neil Peart is one of the worst drummers I've ever heard. I'll leave ya with that.

Most muso's disagree and think he's "brilliant". I know that Bonzo - as behind the beat as he sometimes was - played 1/5 as many drums, was 10 times as simple, yet made 100 times the impact.

And he never wrote any lyrics about trees...

[bluetele54]

Originally Posted by Mike Eskimo

John Bonham - universally recognized as one of the greatest (the greatest ?) rock drummmers no ?

How many hours of bootleg Zep you got ?

Me ?

Hundreds of hours.

He "keeps time" on , at most, 70% of it.


The Stripes are garage rock.

Have you heard of the Monks, The Sonics, the Velvet Underground (chick drummer who technically "sucked") ?

Jeff Beck said to Jack (and I quote) "She's the gold dust man - lose her and you lose the whole thing."


Neil Peart is one of the worst drummers I've ever heard. I'll leave ya with that.

Most muso's disagree and think he's "brilliant". I know that Bonzo - as behind the beat as he sometimes was - played 1/5 as many drums, was 10 times as simple, yet made 100 times the impact.

And he never wrote any lyrics about trees...

...you have a problem with Jarvis Cocker???...

[bluetele54]

Originally Posted by Jackson Jackson

If you are a drummer, your primary function is to keep time. She fails.

There's nothing "blues" about playing poorly, and there are plenty of punk bands that can play well. Meg White is simply not a good drummer. It doesn't bother me, I simply choose not to listen to most of the White Stripes music.

So saying someone doesn't know anything about blues or punk because they recognize Meg White as being a lousy drummer is a bit ridiculous, don't you think?

...it's more about the vibe with them,and their time breathes,a lot...hey,crank it and they're tribal...

...I understand what you mean to say about the drummer's primary function,but I always say it's EVERYONE'S responsibility to keep time...a conscious timekeeper,on ANY instrument,can make bad players better,if they recognize their shortcomings...
...can't tell you how many guitar players I've heard that have the WORST time of any instrument I've ever heard or felt,yet they are always quick to blame the drummer for their shortcomings...

[Jackson Jackson]

Originally Posted by bluetele54

...it's more about the vibe with them,and their time breathes,a lot...hey,crank it and they're tribal...

...I understand what you mean to say about the drummer's primary function,but I always say it's EVERYONE'S responsibility to keep time...a conscious timekeeper,on ANY instrument,can make bad players better,if they recognize their shortcomings...
...can't tell you how many guitar players I've heard that have the WORST time of any instrument I've ever heard or felt,yet they are always quick to blame the drummer for their shortcomings...

I actually agree with 100% of what you said.

[Jackson Jackson]

Originally Posted by Mike Eskimo

John Bonham - universally recognized as one of the greatest (the greatest ?) rock drummmers no ?

How many hours of bootleg Zep you got ?

Me ?

Hundreds of hours.

He "keeps time" on , at most, 70% of it.

The Stripes are garage rock.

Have you heard of the Monks, The Sonics, the Velvet Underground (chick drummer who technically "sucked") ?

Jeff Beck said to Jack (and I quote) "She's the gold dust man - lose her and you lose the whole thing."

Neil Peart is one of the worst drummers I've ever heard. I'll leave ya with that.

Most muso's disagree and think he's "brilliant". I know that Bonzo - as behind the beat as he sometimes was - played 1/5 as many drums, was 10 times as simple, yet made 100 times the impact.

And he never wrote any lyrics about trees...

John Bonham is my favorite drummer of all-time, and he's one of the reasons I am a musician. I agree that his time was not always rock solid, and there are many reasons for that (some good, some bad), however, to even utter his name in the same sentence as Meg White is, in my opinion, utterly rediculous, and the statement "Neil Peart is one of the worst drummers I've ever heard. I'll leave ya with that." I roll my eyes at you sir.

I LOVE minimilist drummers, and I LOVE imperfections, but Meg White just fails to me. AND I disagree with Jeff Beck, in that I've liked EVERY Jack White project without Meg, WAY more than the White Stripes.

By the way... statements like "Have you heard of the Monks, The Sonics, the Velvet Underground" and "How many hours of bootleg Zep you got". What purpose do those questions serve? Yes, I'm WELL aware of all those bands, and am a RABID Zeppelin fan with a nice collection of my own. So what - even if I didn't, I'm entitled to my opinion, and I think Meg White is a lousy drummer.

[eddiewagner]

Originally Posted by Mike Eskimo

Jeff Beck said to "She's the gold dust man - lose her and you lose the whole thing."

that is EXACTLY how i feel about my wife, who plays the drums with me. she is not exactly the most brilliant techical dummer, but she is just great in her own, cool way.
btw: i just can´t believe the discussion here. i thought everybody would be happy about such a fantstic movie about the electric guitar. and now you guys are picking on each other. the guys that made the movie had to make a decision who to take. that is risky, and and i think they did the right thing. i still have to see the movie....

[Jackson Jackson]

I haven't seen the movie yet, but can't wait. I love all three guitarists and it looks really good!!!

[bluetele54]

Originally Posted by Jackson Jackson

I haven't seen the movie yet, but can't wait. I love all three guitarists and it looks really good!!!

...something for everyone in the movie,but there are,for me,some painful moments as well...

...RE:Bonzo...from the first Zep album,his very first fill that phrases to the downbeat after the cowbell in the intro of "Good Times,Bad Times",is one of the the most vicious heralding of coming percussive explosions I'll ever experience...that fill is frightening in it's intensity...

[bluetele54]

Originally Posted by Jackson Jackson

I actually agree with 100% of what you said.

...I do get lucky sometimes...

[olewichita]

Originally Posted by bluetele54

...coulda' done without that ugly arse version of "The Weight" at the end...absolutely embarrassing...sounded like a drunken' 4AM party ending droolfest where everyone hugs at the end thinking it was the greatest rendition since the "Band" recorded it...ugh...

WHAT, no willin'?!!!

tj

[Mike Eskimo]

By the way... statements like "Have you heard of the Monks, The Sonics, the Velvet Underground" and "How many hours of bootleg Zep you got". What purpose do those questions serve? Yes, I'm WELL aware of all those bands, and am a RABID Zeppelin fan with a nice collection of my own. So what - even if I didn't, I'm entitled to my opinion, and I think Meg White is a lousy drummer.

It's a filtering device !

On the internet ya never know someone's collection/experience's/exposure level.

And I'm entitled to the opinion that Peart is an abysmal lyricist, an over-player of the first rank, and the evil step-father of that guy in Dave Matthews Band.

Agree about "Good Times Bad Times" and, even though I am a fan of all three of the movie's subjects :

1.) Overall the movie's not that good

2.) Jack comes off a little precious but how much of that is due to age I dunno

Best parts are all Page ! If you're a Page fan now, you'll be grinnin' every time he's on camera.

His solo storage room jam is stupendous.

Makes ya mad that Plant kinda lost his register and bailed on the Zep tour.

[allen st. john]

Having heard much hype, I came into the IMGL with big expectations. I left rather disappointed. It seemed like outtakes from a mediocre concert movie--the fact that no one even knows the lyrics to The Weight doesn't stop them from singing it, interspersed with some rather precious documentary footage (although I did kind of like visiting Edge's school locker.) Worth seeing, I guess, but a masterpiece it ain't.

And while this thread contains much Edge bashing and much Jack White bashing, am I the only one who despises Jimmy Page and his putrid excuse for a band? Who needs waterboarding when you've got Led Zeppelin?

"And she's climbing a stair..."
"Okay, okay I confess. We were plotting to..."

He's got a nice house, though.

[1293]

Originally Posted by eddiewagner

i just can´t believe the discussion here. i thought everybody would be happy about such a fantstic movie about the electric guitar. and now you guys are picking on each other. the guys that made the movie had to make a decision who to take. that is risky, and and i think they did the right thing. i still have to see the movie....

+1

I feel like "reality TV" is becoming reality. Scary.

[pmcghen]

Originally Posted by allen st. john

And while this thread contains much Edge bashing and much Jack White bashing, am I the only one who despises Jimmy Page and his putrid excuse for a band? Who needs waterboarding when you've got Led Zeppelin?

"And she's climbing a stair..."
"Okay, okay I confess. We were plotting to..."

He's got a nice house, though.

Nope.

I can't stand Zeppelin and U2 bores me to tears, but I do want to see this movie.

[dougpc]

Not to interfere with all the Edge bashing but didn't Page purloin the lick for "Whole Lot of Love" from Muddy Water's "You Need Love." Not very legendary of him.

[Tele-Jones]

Originally Posted by Mike Eskimo

So a lot of what turns people off of the White Stripes is Meg White's drumming ?

If somebody says "She's not even that good of a drummer !" then I know 2 things :

1.) You wouldn't know punk if it hit you in the head.

2.) You wouldn't know blues if it hit you in the head.

Bonus 3.) Probably have the Alligator records complete discography and the Steely Dan box set at home.

Musicianship in rock ? And how is that important ?

I wouldn't put her in the same category as Steve Shelley, and can't speak to Greg Ginn's taste in drummers.

I won't really try formulate a response to that second comment.

Somebody gave me one of the Alligator Records collections as a gift one year. While I rarely ever listened to it, if your hatin on Hound Dog Taylor, Johnny Winter, or Luther Allison, please refer to your second comment. I'm not aware of a Steely Dan box set, but got their complete discography, as well as all the White Stripes stuff.

For what it's worth, Jack White has cited the Flat Duo Jets (some local NC boys) as one of his biggest influences, and I wouldn't place Meg in the same league as Crow on even her best day. We can just agree to disagree. She is, however, a better drummer than me.

[Danno]

Jack White would be the ONLY thing that would get me to watch this. His playing, producing, writing, singing on Loretta's Van Lear Rose is stellar.

Originally Posted by bluetele54

...RE:Bonzo...from the first Zep album,his very first fill that phrases to the downbeat after the cowbell in the intro of "Good Times,Bad Times",is one of the the most vicious heralding of coming percussive explosions I'll ever experience...that fill is frightening in it's intensity...

That may be the single greatest observation ever. You put to words what my caveman intellect cannot express.

As far as Meg White, I've bashed skins for 30+ years. I've seen some of the greats and some of the not so greats. She lays this one down with textbook backbeat ('cept you can't learn that one in a book - you got it or you don't IMHO):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t1_ETuWIbE

[cyclopean]

i kinda hate led zepplin, but i think jimmy page is a good guitar player.

he spends most of the film alternating between looking like a taller bilbo baggins and looking like an older tom baker.

i only like early u2, but the edge is a good example of someone doing something really effects based on guitar, and he's a lot more marketable, than, say, kevin shields. who i'd rather have seen in this.

i think jack white is talented and has good taste, but i don't think he's all that special. on the other hand, he's almost a walking museum exhibit, which i think adds something. that and has anyone else noticed that he seems to be slowly becoming even more of a cartoon character?

i like this, and i think you can get something out of it even if you're not all that into any of these artists.

[cyclopean]

it's also a little ironic that when i first heard the white stripes, i was describing them to people as "led zepplin without the stupid parts"

[allen st. john]

Originally Posted by cyclopean

it's also a little ironic that when i first heard the white stripes, i was describing them to people as "led zepplin without the stupid parts"

Led Zeppelin without the stupid parts?
That's like saying Dolly Parton without the...nevermind.

[sixstringbastard]

Agreed. He is definitely an artist who's going to around for along time. I'm a fan, but I know that others are not. We'll see how he's perceived in a few decades.

Originally Posted by Tele-Jones

Jack White's done a good deal more than just play stripped down blues on cheap instruments with a sub-par drummer. In addition to his other 2 groups, this is actually pretty damn good:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Lear_Rose

[Brian blaut]

well I have never owned a Zep album. Likely never will. Same for Jack White. Same for U2, (although I did own 2 in the 80's). None of these guys are guitar hero's for me. They don't influence me and I've never cared to learn any of their songs. But I can't wait to see the movie. Because reguardless of their music, I still respect them and I'm interested in a movie who's main purpose is to have musicians talking about being musicians. Particularly guitarists, who like it or not, have all reached the top of success at what they do. -That interstests me to no end.

[bluetele54]

Originally Posted by olewichita

WHAT, no willin'?!!!

tj

...NO!!!...although my old friend Gene Parsons does a lovely version on one of his circa '70's solo albums..."Kindlings" is where you'll find it,and the later recording,"Melodies" has some great playing on it as well...

...tj,please don't get me off track,so back to the thread...

[Dry Rub]

Saw the movie a few days ago. I own the whole Zep catalog, the good U2 stuff, and no Jack White so you know where my interests lie. White comes off easily on par with these other two guys because this is not a movie about who's a great guitarist or who has a better band, rather it's a movie about how passionate these guys are about their music. They're linked because they all just happen to play guitar and have been influential in their own way.

Best part was Jimmy air-guitaring to Link Wray in his house. I wouldn't doubt that when there are no cameras in his house, Jimmy is still pulling the occasional air guitar during a good song (like the rest of us).

Funny that some of us are criticizing this movie. The fact that I can go to the local movie theater and see a fairly high profile film about the friggin GUITAR is amazing! It's about damn time!

[cyclopean]

Originally Posted by allen st. john

Led Zeppelin without the stupid parts?
That's like saying Dolly Parton without the...nevermind.

you know, endless noodling, songs that are way too long, and vocals that make me want to travel back in time and push robert plant's mom in front of a bus before she had him.

[MandyMarie]

I'm dying to see this...they've moved the date of our showing at least four times!

[jjkrause84]

Originally Posted by cyclopean

you know, endless noodling, songs that are way too long, and vocals that make me want to travel back in time and push robert plant's mom in front of a bus before she had him.

Songs are to olong or attention spans are too short? Remember that for MOST of music history songs were not 3-minute ditties. I still believe that people can and should enjoy "music" without worrying about breaking it up all the time into "songs"

[Jackson Jackson]

Okay, saw it on Saturday, and it was fantastic. Like many have said before, it was fun, heartfelt and showcased some very GASworthy gear. Beautifully filmed and executed. I agree that the ending tune could/should have been something else, but other than that, I thought it was wonderful, and will definitely grab it when it's released on DVD.

[cyclopean]

Originally Posted by jjkrause84

Songs are to olong or attention spans are too short? Remember that for MOST of music history songs were not 3-minute ditties. I still believe that people can and should enjoy "music" without worrying about breaking it up all the time into "songs"

yeah, but there's also padding and noodling and stuff that doesn't do much for the song. i really like neurosis, and their songs are pretty epic. i also play a lot of old time, and those songs can also stretch out indefinitely in a jam.

[Jefemaximo]

I saw it a weekend or two ago and liked it much more than I expected. I still don't care for Jack White (except for Van Lear Rose), but that didn't matter much. I was most surprised by JP. As others have said, he still loves the music and is like a kid in certain scenes. Such a difference from so many burned-out rockers of his (and my) era. My respect for him skyrocketed after seeing this movie.

Personally, I love The Edge. Not because he's a great guitarist, but because he's not. Yet, he manages to do what many so-called great guitarists fail to do - which is to create an emotional link with his audience through sound. Like his sound or not, it's undeniably unique and it's immediately identifiable. I will take that any day over some guy who can rip scales and leads at blazing speeds in a self-indulgent spasm of guitar masturbation. As someone who can't play fast to save his life, The Edge also gives me hope.

Go see it. Relax, and leave your preconceptions at the door.