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imwjl · May 30th, 2009, 01:43 PM

Yesterday I had a # 2 person in a company have me back a 2nd time for a very silly reason and the #1 person asked ask me if they should start charging me rent so this one strikes a note as I do May billing.

scooteraz · May 30th, 2009, 01:48 PM

Wow, that guy has been talking to some of my clients in the past.

BlueJim · May 30th, 2009, 10:19 PM

Yes but... software vendors really do go for all that. And then some deliver crappy products... and go out of business... and leave you holding the bag with a bad unsupported solution... not that that's happened to me more than say... 2 times in 3 years.

shinigami747 · May 30th, 2009, 10:52 PM

got a headache watching the video. hilarious and sad at the same time...

imwjl · May 30th, 2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueJim

Yes but... software vendors really do go for all that. And then some deliver crappy products... and go out of business... and leave you holding the bag with a bad unsupported solution... not that that's happened to me more than say... 2 times in 3 years.

Yes, I think of a place I work with where the marketing manager and a design firm created a $20,000 web site still not working in more than a year. Oh, and then comes the "branding" people......

beep.click · May 30th, 2009, 11:25 PM

Interesting video. I think we're supposed to side with the vendors.

But after I watched it, I found myself thinking, the clients in real life -- they usually do get trampled. Someone sets a price, and we're just supposed to grin and pay it; happy happy little consumer-bots.

I wouldn't want to negotiate for everything, all the time, but it makes me wonder if the vendors of the world will ever realize that they survive on OUR money?

furrfurrfurr · May 30th, 2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by beep.click

I wouldn't want to negotiate for everything, all the time, but it makes me wonder if the vendors of the world will ever realize that they survive on OUR money?

True, but the clients survive on the vendors services. Without one, the other cannot survive.

Mike Bruce · May 30th, 2009, 11:38 PM

Some folks think they should get their first guitar lesson for free, just to "try it out". It's not a test drive, the teacher (me) can't sell the same period of time after it's been used. If I gave away free lessons, I would have lost hundreds of hours of pay over the years. The only time I work for free is when I volunteer for causes I believe in. Try giving the shaft to a plumber, electrician, luthier, mechanic, or the tax man.

The nerve.

Mike Bruce.

BlueJim · May 31st, 2009, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Bruce

Some folks think they should get their first guitar lesson for free, just to "try it out".

Hmm...

My oldest son is starting college soon. Think I can get a free first semester to "try it out"?

beep.click · May 31st, 2009, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by furrfurrfurr

True, but the clients survive on the vendors services. Without one, the other cannot survive.

It's a reciprocal relationship (hopefully). Sadly, the vendors seldom seem to get that, and generally get defensive and/or angry when the clients get... "uppity."

There's an old expression: make it yourself; make do; or do without.

A vendor who doesn't want to negotiate with individual clients will eventually find out who really sets the prices. This happened to the company I was at for 11 years -- they tried to show the market who was in charge. Eventually the marketplace said, "Uh, sorry, but no." Company, gone. Marketplace -- still there.

May 30th, 2009, 01:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
imwjl Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 1,775	The vendor and client relationship. Yesterday I had a # 2 person in a company have me back a 2nd time for a very silly reason and the #1 person asked ask me if they should start charging me rent so this one strikes a note as I do May billing.

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shinigami747 Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Manila, Philippines Age: 28 Posts: 427 3 Photos	got a headache watching the video. hilarious and sad at the same time... __________________ the guitar is the human soul speaking with just six strings -from beck: mongolian chop squad

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beep.click Friend of Leo's Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California Age: 50 Posts: 3,210	Interesting video. I think we're supposed to side with the vendors. But after I watched it, I found myself thinking, the clients in real life -- they usually do get trampled. Someone sets a price, and we're just supposed to grin and pay it; happy happy little consumer-bots. I wouldn't want to negotiate for everything, all the time, but it makes me wonder if the vendors of the world will ever realize that they survive on OUR money? __________________ "It looked like a giant green gum drop to me."

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Mike Bruce Tele-Holic Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ontario Posts: 898	Some folks think they should get their first guitar lesson for free, just to "try it out". It's not a test drive, the teacher (me) can't sell the same period of time after it's been used. If I gave away free lessons, I would have lost hundreds of hours of pay over the years. The only time I work for free is when I volunteer for causes I believe in. Try giving the shaft to a plumber, electrician, luthier, mechanic, or the tax man. The nerve. Mike Bruce.

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