Dicky Betts settles it once and for all. Words of wisdom.

boneyguy · September 17th, 2008, 12:49 AM

Now we can just get on with playing our guitars. Right?

getbent · September 17th, 2008, 01:06 AM

I always dug Dickey.

Ben Harmless · September 17th, 2008, 01:20 AM

Those are words to live by right there.

I always had a love/hate thing with Dicky. I really have a hard time respecting him when he gets out of control and behaves very poorly - the same problem I have with lots of stars.

On the other hand, I had the pleasure of being house audio head for a Dicky/Great Southern show at my old gig once, and he was never anything other than a professional and a gentleman. His second drummer on the other hand... Yeah. They toured with two full drumkits. Sounded amazing. Was hell to reinforce.

ibobunot · September 17th, 2008, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by getbent

I always dug Dickey.

Dickey Betts - Danny Blue

Mark Davis · September 17th, 2008, 01:25 AM

One of the best tones I ever heard was Dicky Betts on his 57 Les Paul Goldtop thru a 50 watt marshall in Bakersfield in 1978. He was really on that night. Saw the Ahlmans many times but that night was the best.

To me The Allmans arent the same without him.

tazzboy · September 17th, 2008, 01:50 AM

That is so correct on Dickey's Part

morroben · September 17th, 2008, 01:54 AM

Well they're two of my favorites. They're both a joy to listen to. I've spent the last couple of days learning "Little Martha".

getbent · September 17th, 2008, 02:04 AM

I'm gonna listen to 'high falls' tonight while I run....

E.D. Patton · September 17th, 2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Davis

One of the best tones I ever heard was Dicky Betts on his 57 Les Paul Goldtop thru a 50 watt marshall in Bakersfield in 1978. He was really on that night. Saw the Ahlmans many times but that night was the best.

To me The Allmans arent the same without him.

One of the the truly unique voices in the history of guitar.

Great singer. Killer guitar man. One of the best players God ever put on this earth. I hate the drinking and the ignorant $hit, too, but the man can move mountains. I've seen him do it.

kp8 · September 17th, 2008, 02:31 AM

great great guitar player and a gracious answer.

Unseen · September 17th, 2008, 03:20 AM

I've seen many, many killer guitar players live: Jimi, Eric, Johnny Winter, Pete Townshend, Lonnie Mack, Danny Kalb, Jeff Beck, Michael Bloomfield, Buddy Guy (and the last five in small club situations). I also saw Dicky Betts with The Gregg Allman Band (not the Allman Brothers Band), and that was fantastic. His tone was unique and his playing clean and perfect in every way. He's right up there with the others.

mcriff · September 17th, 2008, 03:26 AM

The solos in "Blue Sky" changed my guitar life the moment I heard them . . . and shortly after I realized what a great piece of pure songwriting it was, too. One of the small handful of "classics" that still makes me smile as much as it did the first time.

"Jessica" is one of the others . . .

jimmybusk · September 17th, 2008, 04:58 AM

About 10 or 12 years ago I went to see Great Southern in Long Island.The opening band was playing,and I was outside waiting for my friend to show up. All of a sudden a bus ,with Florida plates pulls up,as if I were waiting for a bus..,The door opens,and it's Dicky..., "HI, 'Ya goin' to the show..... 'Uh..., Yea. ....C'mon In., Sit Down. So I went in,and hung out for 5 or 10 minutes. 'Till this day I don't remember what I said,I was kinda' nervous,and awestruck .,'Cause I wore out a couple of those Fillmore east records when I was a Kid

bowman · September 17th, 2008, 08:17 AM

I still remember putting on the Allman's Idlewild South album for the first time, and how it felt hearing those songs - and especially the tone of the guitars. It was like an electric shock - I had NEVER heard guys play like that, with tone like that. I had no idea rock music could even sound that way. Hendrix and all the others mentioned above were great, of course, and yes I loved all of those guys for many reasons, but I truly think it was that Allman Brothers record that opened my eyes and ears the most. It somehow made me understand all those OTHER players better, I don't know why but it did.

Stuco · September 17th, 2008, 08:27 AM

I agree that they are both fantastic players but Derek's sound is heavily based on Duane's so I'm gonna have to go with Duane. Derek may very well be more advanced technically. They are both greats.

marshman · September 17th, 2008, 10:35 AM

I applaud Dickeys' response--someone here has a sig that says it best "Music ain't a competition".

But I just feel that the Allman Brothers w/o Dickey is just NOT the Allman Brothers...but they did just fine all those years w/o Duane, so who am I, right?

stevieboy · September 17th, 2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuco

I agree that they are both fantastic players but Derek's sound is heavily based on Duane's so I'm gonna have to go with Duane.

I don't think that Derek when playing outside the Allman Brothers sounds much like Duane, or anyone else for that matter.

Johnny Isaacs · September 17th, 2008, 02:28 PM

Dickey Betts is the link between rock and country, blues and rock, acoustic bluegrass and hot electric playing. My two cousin's (Dan and David Toler) played in Great Southern and The Allman Bros. Band in the 70's then with Gregg Allman in the 80's and Dan toured with Dickey again in the 90's and 2000's as Great Southern. I'm a true to Fender kinda guy, but NOTHING sounds like those Les Paul's through Marshalls. Amazing. I think Derek is a great slide player but I don't care for all the Indian influence in his playing personally when he's playing with the ABB or Clapton. I think the 2nd Set ABB's live recording from the late 90's with Dickey and Warren is probably one of my favs. Great stuff!

Johnny Isaacs

OutlawSteph1975 · September 17th, 2008, 08:22 PM

Dickey got even further into country outside of the ABB when he played live to support this.. great group of musicians including Vassar Clements:

DrewB · September 17th, 2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Isaacs

My two cousin's (Dan and David Toler) played in Great Southern and The Allman Bros. Band in the 70's then with Gregg Allman in the 80's and Dan toured with Dickey again in the 90's and 2000's as Great Southern.

Cousins?!

I wore out two copies of the "I'm No Angel" album learning to play lead guitar from Dan Toler! If I ever meet that guy, I owe him at least a 7-layer burrito.

boneyguy · September 17th, 2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OutlawSteph1975

Dickey got even further into country outside of the ABB when he played live to support this.. great group of musicians including Vassar Clements:

Hey!! I used to own that record a whole bunch of years ago. Forgot all about it. Can't even remember what songs are on it but I do remember really digging it. I'd love to hear it again.

ibobunot · September 17th, 2008, 10:35 PM

Vassar Clements & Dickey Betts - I've Been to Georgia ...

Telarkaster · September 18th, 2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by getbent

I'm gonna listen to 'high falls' tonight while I run....

That's a long run! Great song.

I've had the pleasure of seeing Dickey play with the Allmans and that was very special for me. Dickey is one of my major influences, someone that I actively studied. Jessica is an absolute masterpiece, I was so proud when I learned the melody.

There is something about Dickey's playing that I find very human and accessible. When I listen to Duane I get psyched out, it would never occur to try to play like him. But when I listen to Dickey I say "I can do that", and more importantly "I want to play that", the key to learning guitar. Not that I can play anywhere as well as him, but I try!

dead-head · September 18th, 2008, 09:16 PM

I think Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes are great players, but I think the Allman Brothers Band of today doesn't really hold a light to the Duane/Dickey era, and I think with the loss of Dickey they have taken a nose dive and have been cornered into being a modern jam band. I know they always have been to some extent but now they just remind me of tofu if ya get where I comin from.

Dave_Strat · October 5th, 2008, 08:05 AM

They wouldn't remember me now, but I played in a cover band in late '69 when the ABB was recording their first album at Capricorn, about two blocks away from our summer club gig in Macon. The club owner made a deal with them to let them practice whenever they wanted to if they would play one Saturday night a month in his club. We sometimes alternated sets. The guys just blew us away, but we learned a lot from listening to them.

This was just before they went to New York to play the gig where Twiggs Lyndon was arrested for stabbing a club owner over non-payment for their show. A couple of my friends were tag-along would be roadies for our band. You know the type...lug some equipment and get in free wherever the band goes. They hired on as roadies for the ABB and toured with them right after the first album went out. I'm sure they have lots of stories.

A lot of people credit Duane for licks that Dicky played on the albums. Dickey is always in the right channel and Duane is in the left on the CD's. Dickey played some absolutely brilliant riffs on the Fillmore East album. Duane was king of the slide and Dickey was the master of the blues licks.

September 17th, 2008, 12:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
boneyguy Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: victoria b.c. Age: 50 Posts: 2,943	Dicky Betts settles it once and for all. Words of wisdom. Now we can just get on with playing our guitars. Right? __________________ "Shut up n' play yer guitar"

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getbent Moderator Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Benito County, California Posts: 10,168 37 Photos	I always dug Dickey. __________________ 'never pet a burning dog'

September 17th, 2008, 01:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
Ben Harmless Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany, NY US of A Posts: 3,264 6 Photos	Those are words to live by right there. I always had a love/hate thing with Dicky. I really have a hard time respecting him when he gets out of control and behaves very poorly - the same problem I have with lots of stars. On the other hand, I had the pleasure of being house audio head for a Dicky/Great Southern show at my old gig once, and he was never anything other than a professional and a gentleman. His second drummer on the other hand... Yeah. They toured with two full drumkits. Sounded amazing. Was hell to reinforce. __________________ "I think I'll go for the life of sin, followed by the last-minute, presto-change-o, deathbed repentance." - B. Simpson

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Mark Davis Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bakersfield Ca. Age: 58 Posts: 12,843	One of the best tones I ever heard was Dicky Betts on his 57 Les Paul Goldtop thru a 50 watt marshall in Bakersfield in 1978. He was really on that night. Saw the Ahlmans many times but that night was the best. To me The Allmans arent the same without him. __________________ I'm so blind my seeing eye dog needs glasses.

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tazzboy Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2005 Location: Eugene, Oregon Age: 31 Posts: 3,183	That is so correct on Dickey's Part __________________ tazzboy

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morroben Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: california Age: 32 Posts: 1,864 18 Photos	Well they're two of my favorites. They're both a joy to listen to. I've spent the last couple of days learning "Little Martha".

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getbent Moderator Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Benito County, California Posts: 10,168 37 Photos	I'm gonna listen to 'high falls' tonight while I run.... __________________ 'never pet a burning dog'

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kp8 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,801	great great guitar player and a gracious answer.

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Unseen Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 61 Posts: 1,709	I've seen many, many killer guitar players live: Jimi, Eric, Johnny Winter, Pete Townshend, Lonnie Mack, Danny Kalb, Jeff Beck, Michael Bloomfield, Buddy Guy (and the last five in small club situations). I also saw Dicky Betts with The Gregg Allman Band (not the Allman Brothers Band), and that was fantastic. His tone was unique and his playing clean and perfect in every way. He's right up there with the others.

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mcriff TDPRI Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Northeast PA Posts: 40	The solos in "Blue Sky" changed my guitar life the moment I heard them . . . and shortly after I realized what a great piece of pure songwriting it was, too. One of the small handful of "classics" that still makes me smile as much as it did the first time. "Jessica" is one of the others . . .

September 17th, 2008, 08:17 AM	#14 (permalink)
bowman Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Westborough, MA Age: 56 Posts: 414	I still remember putting on the Allman's Idlewild South album for the first time, and how it felt hearing those songs - and especially the tone of the guitars. It was like an electric shock - I had NEVER heard guys play like that, with tone like that. I had no idea rock music could even sound that way. Hendrix and all the others mentioned above were great, of course, and yes I loved all of those guys for many reasons, but I truly think it was that Allman Brothers record that opened my eyes and ears the most. It somehow made me understand all those OTHER players better, I don't know why but it did.

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Stuco Friend of Leo's Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: GA Posts: 3,120	I agree that they are both fantastic players but Derek's sound is heavily based on Duane's so I'm gonna have to go with Duane. Derek may very well be more advanced technically. They are both greats. __________________ -"You do not merely want to be considered just the best of the best. You want to be considered the only ones who do what you do" J. Garcia

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marshman Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SE PA Posts: 908	I applaud Dickeys' response--someone here has a sig that says it best "Music ain't a competition". But I just feel that the Allman Brothers w/o Dickey is just NOT the Allman Brothers...but they did just fine all those years w/o Duane, so who am I, right? __________________ 42

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Johnny Isaacs Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,468 3 Photos	Dickey Betts is the link between rock and country, blues and rock, acoustic bluegrass and hot electric playing. My two cousin's (Dan and David Toler) played in Great Southern and The Allman Bros. Band in the 70's then with Gregg Allman in the 80's and Dan toured with Dickey again in the 90's and 2000's as Great Southern. I'm a true to Fender kinda guy, but NOTHING sounds like those Les Paul's through Marshalls. Amazing. I think Derek is a great slide player but I don't care for all the Indian influence in his playing personally when he's playing with the ABB or Clapton. I think the 2nd Set ABB's live recording from the late 90's with Dickey and Warren is probably one of my favs. Great stuff! Johnny Isaacs __________________ Myspace music page I've never trusted a guitar player who hasn't licked a few 9volts... Famous last words...... after this one, no new Tele's!

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OutlawSteph1975 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,856 7 Photos	Dickey got even further into country outside of the ABB when he played live to support this.. great group of musicians including Vassar Clements:

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ibobunot Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dullsville Posts: 3,456	Vassar Clements & Dickey Betts - I've Been to Georgia ...

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dead-head Banned NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Flagstaff, Arizona Age: 21 Posts: 7	I think Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes are great players, but I think the Allman Brothers Band of today doesn't really hold a light to the Duane/Dickey era, and I think with the loss of Dickey they have taken a nose dive and have been cornered into being a modern jam band. I know they always have been to some extent but now they just remind me of tofu if ya get where I comin from.

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Dave_Strat TDPRI Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 25	They wouldn't remember me now, but I played in a cover band in late '69 when the ABB was recording their first album at Capricorn, about two blocks away from our summer club gig in Macon. The club owner made a deal with them to let them practice whenever they wanted to if they would play one Saturday night a month in his club. We sometimes alternated sets. The guys just blew us away, but we learned a lot from listening to them. This was just before they went to New York to play the gig where Twiggs Lyndon was arrested for stabbing a club owner over non-payment for their show. A couple of my friends were tag-along would be roadies for our band. You know the type...lug some equipment and get in free wherever the band goes. They hired on as roadies for the ABB and toured with them right after the first album went out. I'm sure they have lots of stories. A lot of people credit Duane for licks that Dicky played on the albums. Dickey is always in the right channel and Duane is in the left on the CD's. Dickey played some absolutely brilliant riffs on the Fillmore East album. Duane was king of the slide and Dickey was the master of the blues licks.