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Old July 20th, 2008, 09:49 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Drew that was more along the lines of what I needed to see but I fear it might be too late............
Clearly you missed the sarcasm. I was looking for a small-print font for "Yeah, right," but there wasn't one, so I left it out.

If you have to save for it, then save for it and buy it when you have the money. Don't be financially irresponsible, but get it if you want it.

Eggman, you didn't buy the right Les Paul for you, plain and simple. Some of them are boat anchors and some aren't.

Rhh7, that's a ridiculous reason to not buy a Les Paul. If the neck was a flawed design, then nobody should buy an acoustic guitar for the same basic reason, right? I'm not even gonna touch the Ed Roman "wisdom."

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Old July 20th, 2008, 09:51 PM   #22 (permalink)
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EVeryone needs a Tele a Strat a Les Paul and some type of hollowbody or semi-hollow like a 335 type to complete their collection of noise makers.

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Old July 20th, 2008, 09:56 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Buy a plus top Epiphone body and neck ( can pick up a used for cheeeeeeeeap) throw in some seth lovers or PAF's ( $120 - $300 for the pair )and the out of phase mod from guitar fetish ( parts are like $20)
and some new tuning pegs and bridge ( like $50 for both from guitar fetish )

You can have a Gibson quality Les Paul for Probably around $500 or so
How do I know ? I did it ! ( but I put the Jimmy Page mod on with all the push pull pots and my total was around $600)

It's frikkin awesome !
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OK, I'll try to talk you out of it. Go try a Peavey Hartley Peavey Signature EXP. Made in Korea and just as good as anything Gibson USA puts for twice the price. Or, if you're bent on spending Gibson money, go for a USA HP with all the figured wood and everything you'd expect for ~$2000. Don't just laugh it off, go try one or two. I guarantee, your Gibson GAS wil be cured.

Forget Gibson and Epiphone. They ain't doing it any more. Peavey winds the best PAF pickups in the world these days, and the USA models will make you rethink fretwork standards in those respective price ranges.
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Old July 20th, 2008, 10:10 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Maybe this'll help: Peter Green switched to a Strat after he started playing again. He's made some pretty fine recordings playing a Strat. And, according to Gary Moore (who owned PG's Les Paul up until a short time ago), PG didn't care for the famous Les Paul.
I went through a Les Paul thing over the past 13 months or so, so I can relate. It was cured (more or less) by the purchase of an '80s 335 Dot RI. The LPs are all gone, the Dot remains the same.
If you are going to buy an LP, mail order is very risky. The four I owned were all very different, and not in a good way. It's best to get your hands on one if possible, or at least order from a dealer who allows a trial period (might be tricky in NZ).
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Maybe this'll help: Peter Green switched to a Strat after he started playing again. He's made some pretty fine recordings playing a Strat. And, according to Gary Moore (who owned PG's Les Paul up until a short time ago), PG didn't care for the famous Les Paul.
I went through a Les Paul thing over the past 13 months or so, so I can relate. It was cured (more or less) by the purchase of an '80s 335 Dot RI. The LPs are all gone, the Dot remains the same.
If you are going to buy an LP, mail order is very risky. The four I owned were all very different, and not in a good way. It's best to get your hands on one if possible, or at least order from a dealer who allows a trial period (might be tricky in NZ).

i agree , even with my cheap Epi , I tried probably 10 or 12 before i found a good one . ( played twice that many Gibby's and never found a good one , and that's at $2000!!!) .
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Talk me out of it cos I know I don't want the aggravation of trying to get this past my wife and expect to survive the ordeal............
Just tell her that you want to buy a Les Paul and show her how much they cost. That should do it.

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Old July 20th, 2008, 10:26 PM   #28 (permalink)
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You don't need an LP.You need TWO. One with a set of good clear underwound humbuckers for the Greenie twist, and one with P-90's. You already have strats and teles, so you'll be done, right?.....right?....well, except for the Gretsch...and the Rick...and the...
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Old July 20th, 2008, 10:36 PM   #29 (permalink)
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This should help. My 1979 Les Paul Standard:
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Old July 20th, 2008, 10:36 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Check out this interview with Peter Green:

Green: I stumbled across one (Les Paul) when I was looking for something more powerful than my Harmony Meteor. I went into Selmer's in Charing Cross Road and tried one. It was only 110 pounds [price, not weight] and it sounded lovely and the colour was really good. But the neck was like a tree trunk--like the tree trunk was spliced down the middle and half of it was used for your guitar neck! It was very different from Eric's, which was slim: very fast action. I've never seen another guitar with such an old-fashioned neck. But I couldn't consider the Telecaster for some reason and I didn't want a Stratocaster.

Y'know Eric's Les Paul would go for fifty million now. It was a special one. Mine was a funny old fuddy-duddy, sweet old thing. If I had my time again I wouldn't sell my Harmony Meteor, I'd progress on that because the sound was so lovely at the Mayall audition. I use a Fender Strat now and a Gibson Howard Roberts Fusion model, but I'm thinking of getting a Gretsch Roc-Jet as well--the Roc-Jet is a lovely old thing.

So there you have it: get you an old Harmony Meteor!
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Old July 21st, 2008, 12:03 AM   #31 (permalink)
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That's more like it guys. Some negative and reverse thinking is what I needed to hear!!

Out of curiosity I just weighed my tele as that's the heaviest guitar I've got. It comes in at 7lb 4oz. From memory that's way lighter than any of the LP's I looked at on that CV guitar site. So there's one good reason against an LP.

Now, as for the problem with set necks. I doubt if that's an issue cos I ain't one to throw my guitars around and am pretty careful with them. And it's another good reason not to buy online and have to worry about damage in transit.

And yes Drew, I did pick up on the sarcasm but was trying to use it against myself!

I wouldn't be buying online - far too many variables and the weight issue is a major concern as the only people I know who have LP's all complain about this aspect.

This is all good stuff guys. I'm almost convinced I should be playing Peter Green with a strat. But then I listen to the records again and know that I just can't get that nasally, slightly metallic honk that only these PAF's can give.....................
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Old July 21st, 2008, 12:21 AM   #32 (permalink)
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i had terrible les paul GAS so i broke down and got a les paul Classic in honeyburst. unfourtunatly its got high frets and a slim neck.. completly opposite of my tele so its actually making it harder for me to play my tele now!
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Old July 21st, 2008, 12:58 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Old July 21st, 2008, 02:29 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Just for the record, a Les Paul will not make you sound like Peter Green.... any more than it will make you sound like Duane Allman or Les Paul himself.... it is in the hands....
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Old July 21st, 2008, 03:15 AM   #35 (permalink)
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"Just for the record, a Les Paul will not make you sound like Peter Green.... any more than it will make you sound like Duane Allman or Les Paul himself.... it is in the hands...."

I know that only too well but I would like to get somewhere in the same tonal ballpark. If I were half the player Mr Green was (and still is judging by recent Splinter Group recordings) I'd be a very happy camper. I just want to try to replicate the tone so that it might inspire me to play a bit better and perhaps more in the style of PG which would be no bad thing.

I know the 'tone is in the underpants' arguments - I've used them myself and totally agree with them. But there's no harm in trying to get close to a tone that you hear on record - particularly if I want to do a passable imitation of these songs.
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Old July 21st, 2008, 02:15 PM   #37 (permalink)
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well if i had to pay down under prices id think very carefully about alternative options to my favorite Gibson (and you can get pretty close to PG out of phase middle postion sound simply by wiring for an out of phase -have this on one of my LP's and it sounds pretty close to Greenie to my ear-less hassle than flipping a magnet and allows for the standard middle sound as well)

there are many guitars that can get you close without the LP price-sg, explorer, hamer, heritage, etc

havent tried an epi elite-

all that being said its hard not to like a Gibson LP once you decide its right for you

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i have to say that PG playing his strat doesnt sound like PG playing his LP- (but i know there are other factors at play as well)

as for ed roman and set necks-(mr roman has his own agenda)
-there are an awful lot of martin and gibson accoustics that seem to have fared well for many decades with set necks-as have Gibson l-5s and so many others-

LPs are heavy and if you are careless and knock it over or drop it you can break the headstock-same with a violin, cello, mandolin, or lute-LP's are built like a traditional stringed musical instrument, not a sledge hammer-no reason to not own a LP because it has a set neck
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Yes, I can totally understand the LP GAS; it comes from deep down... then once it bubbles to the surface, things get ugly (think a Ted Nugent "E" chord played while standing between 3 Fender Twins on 11).

I've learned that if I crave a LP, I'm never happy with a guitar that "comes close" or is "better than..." (i.e. Ephiphone, Carvin, Heritage, Hammer, ESP, Robin, PRS, etc.); if its about the guitar itself, only the real thing will do. Some folks don't have this ridiculous hang-up, and have transcended the name on the headstock.

Having said that, if its the sound your after rather then the guitar itself, I've read that Jimmy Page recorded the first Zep album using a Tele. If I remember right he mentioned mic placement was the key.

Not being able to afford one new, I satisfied my LP craving 10 years ago by waiting for a used (repaired) '58 reissue from Dave's Guitars. When they sent it to the original owner the neck was damaged in shipment. It went back to Dave's who repaired it and sold it to me for cheap. Here, ten years later the guitar has been rock-solid & never suffered tuning problems. Thats a long way of saying wait & look for a used LP, leaving you with a bit of gas money when the dust settles.

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Old July 21st, 2008, 05:32 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I'm afraid I'm with you on this Guinness. If it doesn't say Fender, Gibson, Marshall, Martin, etc on the headstock then I'm not really that interested in the guitar - no matter how good it sounds.

It's ridiculous, I know, but it's that thing about seeing your heroes with these guitars/amps and really lusting after them when you're young. An Epiphone or Tokai just isn't quite the same somehow - it may be close but it ain't the real thing.

Into the bargain, I've always found that unless you can pick up one of these copies really cheap then you lose more money on them at resale time cos other folk feel the same way about them and then you're the one facing the arguments that "well, it is just a copy after all".....

With Gibson, Fender on the headstock it ain't no copy, it's the real deal. And if push came to shove then the resale value should be better.

I've looked at these Vintage branded guitars - there's a relic'd Peter Green copy that actually sounds very good but it's not a Gibson and I don't think LP's look so good when they're reliced anyway. I'd want to do that myself by playing it.
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Old July 21st, 2008, 06:21 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Get a Les Paul. You might like it. Yo udon't have to buy a heavy one. They can be had in the 8-9 lb range. I have held Strats and Teles from the late '70's with heavy Northern ASh bodies that were heavier than most of the L.P.'s that I have held.
As with all guitars, each one is an individual. I have read and heard from firsthand reports that the Green Les Paul has some unique tonal traits....very midrangey. This is acoustic tone...unplugged. Regardless of how a pickup is wired or how magnets are arranged, the acoustic tone of a guitar has a major effect on what the pickups read. And..yes...the hands are a big part of the equation.
As always, the search gones on, right? Yo might have to buy the wife a present commensurate with the value of the LEs Paul????
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