MIM Jazzmasters and Jags! - Page 2

wooderson · May 4th, 2008, 10:02 PM

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How good is the trem on these guitars ?

On these in particular, no one knows. Appears to be a new design (screw in arm rather than push in, different location).

On the 'real' ones, it's not made for dive-bombing or anything like that.

ramblinmike · May 5th, 2008, 03:17 AM

Don't know about on these MIM ones, but the original design has a GREAT subtle trem that stays in tune (when set up properly). Think of "Walk Don't Run" by the Ventures. I don't think it needed changing. We'll see how the modified design works out...

Joe Chaney · May 5th, 2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckocaster51

What's the deal?

Sombody at Fender win a life-time supply of black and sunburst paint?

Where are the colors that belong on those guitars?

If they were being offered in those automotive colors like they did those Thinlines a few years ago, I would be pushing my way to the front of the line.

Are you hearing me Mr. Fender?

Oh...don't forget the matching headstocks!

Yeah! where's the surf green with matching headstock,
or, oh my god, no olympic white?????

frogger · May 5th, 2008, 04:15 PM

They sure look nice but from the recent MIM quality slipping a bit I would have to play several to get an objective opinion.

jimd · May 5th, 2008, 07:36 PM

At the offset guitar forum, the purist are casting aspersions. From the specs, I think they might be pretty nice. It looks like Fender tried to modernize and improve on the design. They have a modern neck (9.5" radius and med. jumbo frets). They also fixed the buzzing problem these guitars had by moving the trem closer to the bridge to increase the string angle. And they put a tune-o-matic bridge on. I wish the price were a little cheaper. I wouldn't mind a Jag.

tiktok · May 5th, 2008, 09:43 PM

With all these changes, they'll probably bomb. Look at how Fender's been struggling to survive with all those American Standard Strats and Teles, which also feature bad fret sizes, fretboard curvature, the wrong pickups, etc. JM's and Jag's sell like hotcakes anyways--why change anything?

tomi · May 5th, 2008, 09:46 PM

They look nice, but I wish they'd make them with the block inlay. I always thought that looked best on Jaguars and Jazzmasters.

neocaster · May 5th, 2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tomi

They look nice, but I wish they'd make them with the block inlay. I always thought that looked best on Jaguars and Jazzmasters.

+1. The only current block-inlaid Jazzmaster I know of is this one

(109,000 Japanese Yen is a bit under $1,100 US dollars.)

RockinCarl · May 5th, 2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tiktok

With all these changes, they'll probably bomb. Look at how Fender's been struggling to survive with all those American Standard Strats and Teles, which also feature bad fret sizes, fretboard curvature, the wrong pickups, etc. JM's and Jag's sell like hotcakes anyways--why change anything?

I agree with you, but I think the Jag with humbuckers will sell to the Nirvana/Kurt Cobain crowd. I'd be thrown out of a lot of Rockabilly bands with that thing.

tomi · May 5th, 2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by neocaster

+1. The only current block-inlaid Jazzmaster I know of is this one

(109,000 Japanese Yen is a bit under $1,100 US dollars.)

Wow--nice Fender Japan Jazzmaster! Can you say "Clarence Carter"?

tiktok · May 5th, 2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by neocaster

+1. The only current block-inlaid Jazzmaster I know of is this one

"Jazz Massu replica at latter term of '60 age when bounce problem that block position mark entered was adopted. To bringing forward because production has already been completed, and here is ended as soon as it becomes out of stock."

Surftastic!

tomi · May 5th, 2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tiktok

"Jazz Massu replica at latter term of '60 age when bounce problem that block position mark entered was adopted. To bringing forward because production has already been completed, and here is ended as soon as it becomes out of stock."

Yes, machine translation is a wonderful thing...

Stuco · May 5th, 2008, 10:59 PM

That is cool that they are making these now. I think the price is absolutely absurd though. One day I'd like to build a surf green Jazzmaster, with a small strat headstock, mini humbuckers and a hardtail.

tomi · May 5th, 2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuco

That is cool that they are making these now. I think the price is absolutely absurd though. One day I'd like to build a surf green Jazzmaster, with a small strat headstock, mini humbuckers and a hardtail.

Make me one with P-90's please...

wooderson · May 5th, 2008, 11:28 PM

Every once in a while you'll see a Japanese block-inlay JM/Jag on Ebay for a little over a grand (and another $100+ for shipping).

surfoverb · May 6th, 2008, 08:27 AM

The price is too high. For the same money you can get a used avri or for a little more a new CIJ.

AnArmyOfJuan · May 6th, 2008, 11:46 AM

I want one. I'm unconcerned about the changes. the changes they have made to the "Classic Player" strats and teles have been improvments, by and large, so I shall assume that the changes they made to these will be improvements.

if I want one exactly like the originals, I can get one. this is slightly different, and I think pretty much exactly what I'm looking for.

now, to raise the cash. *looks around for things to sell*

neocaster · May 6th, 2008, 12:05 PM

Torn. Elvis Costello or that awesome Oly White CIJ66. Since I'm only dreaming anyway, CS Antigua with 1 ply black guard.

nasonm · May 6th, 2008, 12:16 PM

For me, ya might as well just get the gaudy J. Mascis Purple Flake Jazzmaster.

BradKM · May 6th, 2008, 03:33 PM

I've got high hopes.

I liked these features on the Mascis sig, but wasn't really down with the purple sparkle.

My biggest gripe with the AVs is the small frets.

I can't wait to give one a spin.

odiemann · May 6th, 2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tiktok View Post
With all these changes, they'll probably bomb. Look at how Fender's been struggling to survive with all those American Standard Strats and Teles, which also feature bad fret sizes, fretboard curvature, the wrong pickups, etc. JM's and Jag's sell like hotcakes anyways--why change anything?

Did I miss something? I had read in several non-guitar nerd sources that the new series was a success. And larger fret size and board radius MUST be an issue for a marked number of players. How can you explain their nearly exclusive use on most high-end Fender knock-offs? How do you explain the Baja, Nocaster, and Thinskin love that abide here?

I think Fender may be finally moving in the right direction. I also think the MIJ/CIJ vs. MIM argument is dead with rising fuel costs and great workmanship coming out of Ensenada.

boris bubbanov · May 6th, 2008, 05:51 PM

I'm gonna play the MIM Jazzmaster version before I make any judgments.

As for the success of the Classic Player and Classic Baja models, how come those got blown out in and around November?

Let's all try them and decide for ourselves, instead of getting blocked in to a position before the evidence is all in.

E.D. Patton · May 7th, 2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BritishBluesBoy

9.25 radius... Medium Jumbo frets... Phooey!!

I wish they'd do a regular 'classic' version....

Agreed.

They have managed to suck all the mojo out of these wonderful, classic models.

ajgus · May 7th, 2008, 11:29 AM

I've never played a JM or a Jag. So I'm gonna show my ignorance here...but what are all those doodads & whatchamahoosys for?

jimd · May 7th, 2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ajgus

I've never played a JM or a Jag. So I'm gonna show my ignorance here...but what are all those doodads & whatchamahoosys for?

I don't even try to understand a Jag (I do know the slider switches pick the pickups in all sorts of weird combinations). But on the JM the slider switch is the rhythm/lead switch. When it is in the lead position, the guitar functions like you'd expect. The pickup selector and big volume and tone pots all work normally. When the slider is in the rhythm position, those controls do not work. Instead, the neck pickup is selected for a mellow, "rhythm," sound and the small black roller knobs are used for vol. and tone. The idea is that you preset the rhythm controls and then easily switch back and forth between good rhythm tone and lead tone.

May 5th, 2008, 09:43 PM	#46 (permalink)
tiktok Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 3,177	With all these changes, they'll probably bomb. Look at how Fender's been struggling to survive with all those American Standard Strats and Teles, which also feature bad fret sizes, fretboard curvature, the wrong pickups, etc. JM's and Jag's sell like hotcakes anyways--why change anything? __________________ It takes two people to paint a perfect painting: one to paint it, and the other to shoot him when it's done. http://www.myspace.com/travishartnett http://www.myspace.com/sugarcanemutiny http://www.myspace.com/davidbavas

May 5th, 2008, 10:59 PM	#53 (permalink)
Stuco Friend of Leo's Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: GA Posts: 2,758	That is cool that they are making these now. I think the price is absolutely absurd though. One day I'd like to build a surf green Jazzmaster, with a small strat headstock, mini humbuckers and a hardtail. __________________ -"You do not merely want to be considered just the best of the best. You want to be considered the only ones who do what you do" J. Garcia

May 6th, 2008, 08:27 AM	#56 (permalink)
surfoverb Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,375	The price is too high. For the same money you can get a used avri or for a little more a new CIJ. __________________ Truth is like sunshine: people used to think it was good for you.

May 6th, 2008, 11:46 AM	#57 (permalink)
AnArmyOfJuan TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit, MI Age: 33 Posts: 80 6 Photos	I want one. I'm unconcerned about the changes. the changes they have made to the "Classic Player" strats and teles have been improvments, by and large, so I shall assume that the changes they made to these will be improvements. if I want one exactly like the originals, I can get one. this is slightly different, and I think pretty much exactly what I'm looking for. now, to raise the cash. looks around for things to sell __________________ Pat V. and the Detroit 3

May 6th, 2008, 12:05 PM	#58 (permalink)
neocaster Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester County, PA Age: 35 Posts: 3,399 11 Photos	Torn. Elvis Costello or that awesome Oly White CIJ66. Since I'm only dreaming anyway, CS Antigua with 1 ply black guard. __________________ "...You don't need faith if you know it's gonna work!"

May 5th, 2008, 03:17 AM	#42 (permalink)
ramblinmike Tele-Holic Join Date: May 2003 Location: Long Island NY Age: 22 Posts: 895	Don't know about on these MIM ones, but the original design has a GREAT subtle trem that stays in tune (when set up properly). Think of "Walk Don't Run" by the Ventures. I don't think it needed changing. We'll see how the modified design works out...

May 5th, 2008, 04:15 PM	#44 (permalink)
frogger Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2003 Location: Lincoln Nebraska Posts: 416	They sure look nice but from the recent MIM quality slipping a bit I would have to play several to get an objective opinion.

May 5th, 2008, 07:36 PM	#45 (permalink)
jimd Tele-Meister Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Age: 41 Posts: 463	At the offset guitar forum, the purist are casting aspersions. From the specs, I think they might be pretty nice. It looks like Fender tried to modernize and improve on the design. They have a modern neck (9.5" radius and med. jumbo frets). They also fixed the buzzing problem these guitars had by moving the trem closer to the bridge to increase the string angle. And they put a tune-o-matic bridge on. I wish the price were a little cheaper. I wouldn't mind a Jag.

May 5th, 2008, 09:46 PM	#47 (permalink)
tomi Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 356	They look nice, but I wish they'd make them with the block inlay. I always thought that looked best on Jaguars and Jazzmasters.

May 5th, 2008, 11:28 PM	#55 (permalink)
wooderson Tele-Meister Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: DFW, TX Age: 26 Posts: 177	Every once in a while you'll see a Japanese block-inlay JM/Jag on Ebay for a little over a grand (and another $100+ for shipping).

May 6th, 2008, 12:16 PM	#59 (permalink)
nasonm Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bangor, Maine Age: 31 Posts: 1,543 16 Photos	For me, ya might as well just get the gaudy J. Mascis Purple Flake Jazzmaster. __________________ "i have learned to just grit my teeth, change the subject, consider their deep total ignorance, fondle the thumb picks in my pocket and go on my way" - bender-freak It's been lonely in the saddle since my horse died

May 6th, 2008, 03:33 PM	#60 (permalink)
BradKM Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 391	I've got high hopes. I liked these features on the Mascis sig, but wasn't really down with the purple sparkle. My biggest gripe with the AVs is the small frets. I can't wait to give one a spin. __________________ "Go Team Venture!"

May 6th, 2008, 05:51 PM	#62 (permalink)
boris bubbanov Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New Orleans, LA + in the past Posts: 6,397	I'm gonna play the MIM Jazzmaster version before I make any judgments. As for the success of the Classic Player and Classic Baja models, how come those got blown out in and around November? Let's all try them and decide for ourselves, instead of getting blocked in to a position before the evidence is all in. __________________ Bubban0v

May 7th, 2008, 11:29 AM	#64 (permalink)
ajgus Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: chicago Posts: 1,539	I've never played a JM or a Jag. So I'm gonna show my ignorance here...but what are all those doodads & whatchamahoosys for? __________________ "Is anyone here a Marine Biologist?!!!"