Is this ebay seller a crook ???????

studio1087 · March 27th, 2008, 02:13 PM

Ebay Auction Linky

I bid on an autography photo of Shelby Lynne. I love her music and love her voice....I thought the picture would be cool to have. The auction boasts an autographed 8 x 10 with a certificate authenticating the autograph.

I won the auction.

I got a fine 8 x 10 with an autograph that was badly pixilated. It looks like someone scanned a signature that was done with a pen and blew the signature up to the size of a big sharpie autograph. You can see hundreds of blue squares making up the fake autograph.

I emailed the seller and asked if they really believed that this was a true autograph written from Shelby Lynne's hand. (No reply).

I left negative feedback as another buyer had done. The seller had already left positive feedback for me.

The seller is berating with me with personal emails.

She says that everyone knows that a "preprint" is a good copy.....not the real deal.

I asked why she includes a certificate of authenticity with a fake print???? I think that the auction is crooked.

I'm getting email after email asking that I retract the negative feedback.

I think it's crooked. I can't imagine retracting the feedback.

Is the auction misleading or crooked?? What do you think?

John

Jakedog · March 27th, 2008, 02:23 PM

I tried to look at it, says bidding has ended, but the title is still there, and it clearly does say "pre-print", and not "hand signed" in the title of the auction. That considered, it sucks that you didn't get what you thought you were getting, but I can't rest fault with the seller without seeing the whole auction page. If it said in the auction desc. that it was in fact a "hand signed" photo, then I might be able to say you got hosed. If it said "pre-print", like the title does, or didn't offer any more info than the title does, I'd have to just tell you to read more carefully next time.

I don't mean any disrespect here, and I'm not trying to throw salt in your wound, truly, but it is IMO a buyers responsibility in large part to make sure they understand what they are spending their money on.

As for the COA, it's still an autograph, just copied, so as long as the COA doesn't say it's for a hand signed print, or is at least labeled as a duplicate of the one that goes with the original hand signed print, it makes sense to me.

Jake

Durtdog · March 27th, 2008, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by studio1087

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She says that everyone knows that a "preprint" is a good copy.....not the real deal.

Well, not EVERYONE. Apparently not you, and not me.

I wouldn't retract the negative feedback. I'd demand a refund.

Mark Davis · March 27th, 2008, 02:31 PM

Looks like everything they sell are autographs.

I wouldnt buy anything like that from Ebay you gotta see it in person or have a pic of the person signing whatever you are buying.

As good as people are now a days with photoshop you can fake any picture.

JimiBryant · March 27th, 2008, 02:36 PM

I got rooked on a similar deal last year, it's always caveat emptor on eBay.

if I were you I'd let the feedback stand and maybe report the seller to eBay
for those harrassing e-mails.

hope ya didn't spend a lot on it, but that's what it cost ya for the learning
experience.. I wouldn't even bother with ANY "signed" item unless it
specifically states HAND SIGNED in the listing!

serialsteve · March 27th, 2008, 02:39 PM

Wonder if Shelby Lynn's mangement is aware that these are being sold. If they're not authorized, that can be a problem for the seller.

odiemann · March 27th, 2008, 02:41 PM

Quote:

I wouldn't even bother with ANY "signed" item unless it
specifically states HAND SIGNED in the listing!
__________________

ditto

I don't even see how your negative feedback is justified or should remain.

pengipete · March 27th, 2008, 03:28 PM

Preprint is actually a term used in scientific and advertising circles to refer to an early release of a document prior to final publication. I don't see how that can be applied in this situation.

It seems to me that these sales are designed to entice the unwary and you could try raising a complaint with eBay though I suspect that they've had the same complaint a thousand times before.

The COA merely proves that the signature belongs to the named person rather than being a forgery. As such it does not relate to the fact that this is a reproduction of an original photograph with said signature.

What they will argue is that you purchased a print of a signed photograph rather than a signed photograph or even a signd print of a photograph.

Apart from learning the lesson of never buying crap like this from eBay I'd say that the biggest clue was in the postage. High postage on low priced items is a common trick for dodgy sellers because even if they refund the sale price you only get the penny that you paid for the item.

brillocaster · March 27th, 2008, 03:38 PM

Seller is a crook. In addition to the misleading description and the wierd pricing, the hail of threats you're getting is proof they are up to no good. If they legitimately thought YOU were screwing THEM they would have reported you to ebay.

It doesn't say "preprinted autograph," it says "autographed preprint," and insinuates - no it out-and -out says that it is "signed."

Adittionally, if it had said REprint, then they might have some defense. PREprint means what pengipete said.

I'd say you learned a ~$10 lesson and move on.

thekillingjoke · March 27th, 2008, 03:43 PM

Is it crooked? Probably, since most people won't have a clue what "preprint" means, much like you didn't. I want to be on your side here, but I'm afraid the seller wins this one. You should've looked into what "preprint" actually meant before buying.

The lesson here: Don't buy stupid crap like this off ebay.

Flat357 · March 27th, 2008, 03:57 PM

Guys ... please stop right there

The seller clearly describes the item as a pre print .

A pre print is a copy of an original photograph with a signature on it ( in this case ) and that is what you got .

I would ' certainly ' retract the negative feedback , as it's not the sellers fault that you don't understand fully what a pre print is .

If in doubt , you could have asked , or looked it up on the net , but you bid almost in the final hour , and let's face it , it cost you US $0.01 + postage

Many celebreties send out preprint signatures to fans .
It's very normal , and the seller is not a crook .
Sorry .

Chance · March 27th, 2008, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durtdog

Well, not EVERYONE. Apparently not you, and not me.

I wouldn't retract the negative feedback. I'd demand a refund.

+1

Chance

BellyBoy · March 27th, 2008, 04:07 PM

"This photo comes with a Certificate Of Authenticity detailing that the signature shown here on the photo is certified authentic."

That would lead me to believe that the signature was real and with a certificate of authenticity.... I would NOT withdraw the negative feedback...

Flat357 · March 27th, 2008, 04:13 PM

If ya gonna quote it , then quote it all

Shelby Lynne preprint SEXY HOT Signed Photo

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is an 8X10 MINT condition Glossy autographed preprint which will arrive to you in perfect condition. We are also including a stunning hard plastic display for this so that you can show this off in an elite fashion. This photo comes with a Certificate Of Authenticity detailing that the signature shown here on the photo is certified authentic. We have been getting photos signed in person for over a decade and are now offering some incredibly discounted PREPRINTS which are all printed on high quality photo paper and you will get exactly what is shown. We encourage multiple item purchases by offering a discount on all multiple orders.
SHIPPING:
We ship all items WORLDWIDE. We are a full time ebayer and ship same or next day so count on a very fast turn around. We also offer overnight shipping for an additional fee. We accept PAYPAL, Money Orders, Bank Checks, Cashiers Checks.
RETURN POLICY:
100% satisfaction guarantee! If you are unhappy with your photo for any reason you may simply return it within 5 days for a full merchandise credit or even exchange.

You may be interested in our other listings on eBay.

They are preprints of real autographs , that they aquired themselves , which the certificates state .
Possibly misleading , but certainly not intentionally crooked .

boris bubbanov · March 27th, 2008, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durtdog

Well, not EVERYONE. Apparently not you, and not me.

I wouldn't retract the negative feedback. I'd demand a refund.

Of what real value is the thing if it doesn't have the real signature on it?

What the devil is a 'fake' photo of Shelby Lynne? If you're certifying it, you need to say 'certified copy' or it is deemed an original. Or a fraud.

I mean, I don't want a copy. Who wants it? Worth about as much as a copy of a dollar bill.

Catweazle · March 27th, 2008, 05:06 PM

I would say that the description is designed to lead potential buyers to believe that there is a genuine autograph on the photo.

The very wording "autographed preprint" says quite categorically that they have taken a preprint and had it autographed. Had they said that it was a preprint of an autographed photograph, then I would have agreed, but not with the wording that they used.
Sorry, it's a scam.

Spend a while on this site:

http://www.scamsonebay.com/pages/content.php?content.38
and see what other scammers get up to.

Bogo · March 27th, 2008, 05:15 PM

A preprint is a photo taken of an autographed photo. The winning bid per the auction was $.01!
What more can be said?

GuitarJunkie84 · March 27th, 2008, 05:55 PM

You bought a picture that would be cool to have. It does not sound like this was something you were buying to sell. Why not hang it up and enjoy it for what you originally bought it for?

Slow Reflexes · March 27th, 2008, 06:01 PM

It was deliberately misleading. That sounds like "crooked" to me.

getbent · March 27th, 2008, 06:03 PM

I don't know what you paid... if it was less than 20.00, I'd let it go... the seller is a crook. Then I'd pick up the phone and call Shelby's talent folks and ask for an autographed picture.. that you are a huge fan and got snookered out of 20.00 on ebay just to get her picture and it was not what you expected. I'll bet they'd be happy to do it for you.

You can email her agent's assistant DavidStrunk@theagencygroup.com

and ask... people are usually cool about stuff like this...

the seller is a clown...

pengipete · March 27th, 2008, 06:06 PM

A "certified copy" would just mean that the copy was produced with the permission of the copyright holder which would not alter the legality or otherwise of this sale on the basis of this seller's description.

I can't see anything in that description that could be taken as constituting outright lies or be argued as being deliberately misleading. The description of the picture as a "preprint" is debatable - "print" or "reprint" would be a more accurate description and you may have a case if you can establish that "preprint" is deliberately used to confuse or to hide the true value of the item but you would then have to explain why you didn't query the description before bidding.

Whatever our feelings about the quality of the item that was sold, it was very clearly described as a preprint in the item's title and the description. The seller also gave a money back guarantee so it's even more difficult to point fingers at their business practise.

There's also the fact the seller already had negative feedback such as "BETRAY..sells xeroxcopies as signed pictures.." which would have given them a feedback score of 82.5% at the time (1 negative in 8 sales) which should have been checked before you purchased. It doesn't mitigate any potential wrongdoing on their part but does suggest that you may not have taken sufficient care before bidding.

The only possible grounds I can see for a complaint to eBay is the fact that the title and description describes the item as both a preprint and a photo and you might be able to argue that it can't be both at the same time.

The part of the description that might support that argument is the line that reads "This photo comes with a Certificate Of Authenticity detailing that the signature shown here on the photo is certified authentic" and you could argue that this part of the description suggests that you will receive "This photo" rather than a copy but the problem here is that every photo is only a copy of the original film or digital data.

Sorry to say this but I don't think that you've got a leg to stand on and I'm not even sure that you are justified in leaving negative feedback as the seller doesn't appear to have set out to mislead. It looks more like you bid without reading the description properly.

robt57 · March 27th, 2008, 06:09 PM

pre·print

/n. ˈpriˌprɪnt; v. priˈprɪnt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[n. pree-print; v. pree-print] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.an advance printing, usually of a portion of a book or of an article in a periodical. –verb (used with object) 2.to print for future use. 3.to print a preprint.

In this case=TO PRINT A PREPRINT

Wiki, 'For What it's Worth': 'While a preprint refers to an article not yet published'

OK, my 2 cents: The seller offered a full refund. Did you request one, did you attempt to allow the seller to resolve your dissatisfaction?

Did the seller include the shipping in the refund, did you even request that they did or would before leaving feedback?

Was it reasonable for you to assume you would not get a reply within a reasonable amount of time.

How long did you wait after you sent your eMail to leave feedback?
Did you send additional eMail other than the first one in case a spam filter or non-deterministic internet POP3 service ate yours or puked down the line?

Did you send the initial or additional email with a return receipt request from your mail program??

Did you allow that other user's negative feedback influence your doing so, leaving negative I mean?

TDPRI · March 27th, 2008, 06:12 PM

I'd chime in that it's not crooked and that you were easily duped it seems. But then, if something is too good to be true then it most likely is... as in buying an autographed photo for a penny.

Could she have been more clear? You bet.
Could you have simply asked, "what's a preprint"? You bet.
Are you out a penny and shipping? You bet?
Lessoned learned? You BET!

And, I would retract the Neg feedback, give her neutral feedback and detail that her description was misleading in your opinion.

BellyBoy · March 27th, 2008, 06:15 PM

So if I put an auction on ebay which shows an image of a wii with guitar Hero... and in the ad I state, you will get exactly what is shown here and all I send you is the PICTURE of a wii with guitar hero but no actual product other than the picture, am I misleading you, ripping you off or being honest?
The seller is a crook, it should read

March 27th, 2008, 02:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
studio1087 Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Near Milwaukee Age: 43 Posts: 2,799 28 Photos	Is this ebay seller a crook ??????? Ebay Auction Linky I bid on an autography photo of Shelby Lynne. I love her music and love her voice....I thought the picture would be cool to have. The auction boasts an autographed 8 x 10 with a certificate authenticating the autograph. I won the auction. I got a fine 8 x 10 with an autograph that was badly pixilated. It looks like someone scanned a signature that was done with a pen and blew the signature up to the size of a big sharpie autograph. You can see hundreds of blue squares making up the fake autograph. I emailed the seller and asked if they really believed that this was a true autograph written from Shelby Lynne's hand. (No reply). I left negative feedback as another buyer had done. The seller had already left positive feedback for me. The seller is berating with me with personal emails. She says that everyone knows that a "preprint" is a good copy.....not the real deal. I asked why she includes a certificate of authenticity with a fake print???? I think that the auction is crooked. I'm getting email after email asking that I retract the negative feedback. I think it's crooked. I can't imagine retracting the feedback. Is the auction misleading or crooked?? What do you think? John __________________ JLG Carry On

March 27th, 2008, 02:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jakedog Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cleveland,OH But my heart's still in TE Posts: 2,568	I tried to look at it, says bidding has ended, but the title is still there, and it clearly does say "pre-print", and not "hand signed" in the title of the auction. That considered, it sucks that you didn't get what you thought you were getting, but I can't rest fault with the seller without seeing the whole auction page. If it said in the auction desc. that it was in fact a "hand signed" photo, then I might be able to say you got hosed. If it said "pre-print", like the title does, or didn't offer any more info than the title does, I'd have to just tell you to read more carefully next time. I don't mean any disrespect here, and I'm not trying to throw salt in your wound, truly, but it is IMO a buyers responsibility in large part to make sure they understand what they are spending their money on. As for the COA, it's still an autograph, just copied, so as long as the COA doesn't say it's for a hand signed print, or is at least labeled as a duplicate of the one that goes with the original hand signed print, it makes sense to me. Jake __________________ "Them that don't know him won't like him, and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him..."

March 27th, 2008, 02:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mark Davis Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bakersfield Ca. Age: 57 Posts: 10,923	Looks like everything they sell are autographs. I wouldnt buy anything like that from Ebay you gotta see it in person or have a pic of the person signing whatever you are buying. As good as people are now a days with photoshop you can fake any picture. __________________ I'm so blind my seeing eye dog needs glasses.

March 27th, 2008, 02:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
JimiBryant Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chicago Chicago that toddlin' town Age: 46 Posts: 1,002	I got rooked on a similar deal last year, it's always caveat emptor on eBay. if I were you I'd let the feedback stand and maybe report the seller to eBay for those harrassing e-mails. hope ya didn't spend a lot on it, but that's what it cost ya for the learning experience.. I wouldn't even bother with ANY "signed" item unless it specifically states HAND SIGNED in the listing! __________________ I am very proud of the fact that I'm so humble!

March 27th, 2008, 03:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
brillocaster Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 683	Seller is a crook. In addition to the misleading description and the wierd pricing, the hail of threats you're getting is proof they are up to no good. If they legitimately thought YOU were screwing THEM they would have reported you to ebay. It doesn't say "preprinted autograph," it says "autographed preprint," and insinuates - no it out-and -out says that it is "signed." Adittionally, if it had said REprint, then they might have some defense. PREprint means what pengipete said. I'd say you learned a ~$10 lesson and move on. __________________ ************************** Make it have many characteristicses of these musical instruments, include the quasi- and generous sound area and vivid key of specially accurate sound to respond, can give musical performance to start out to hear easily thus of voice!

March 27th, 2008, 02:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
serialsteve Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 418	Wonder if Shelby Lynn's mangement is aware that these are being sold. If they're not authorized, that can be a problem for the seller.

March 27th, 2008, 03:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
pengipete Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gloucester U.K. Age: 47 Posts: 767	Preprint is actually a term used in scientific and advertising circles to refer to an early release of a document prior to final publication. I don't see how that can be applied in this situation. It seems to me that these sales are designed to entice the unwary and you could try raising a complaint with eBay though I suspect that they've had the same complaint a thousand times before. The COA merely proves that the signature belongs to the named person rather than being a forgery. As such it does not relate to the fact that this is a reproduction of an original photograph with said signature. What they will argue is that you purchased a print of a signed photograph rather than a signed photograph or even a signd print of a photograph. Apart from learning the lesson of never buying crap like this from eBay I'd say that the biggest clue was in the postage. High postage on low priced items is a common trick for dodgy sellers because even if they refund the sale price you only get the penny that you paid for the item.

March 27th, 2008, 03:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
thekillingjoke Tele-Meister Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Plymouth Age: 21 Posts: 323 4 Photos	Is it crooked? Probably, since most people won't have a clue what "preprint" means, much like you didn't. I want to be on your side here, but I'm afraid the seller wins this one. You should've looked into what "preprint" actually meant before buying. The lesson here: Don't buy stupid crap like this off ebay. __________________ This is Mit. She is my first love.

March 27th, 2008, 03:57 PM	#11 (permalink)
Flat357 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cheshire Age: 39 Posts: 1,866	Guys ... please stop right there The seller clearly describes the item as a pre print . A pre print is a copy of an original photograph with a signature on it ( in this case ) and that is what you got . I would ' certainly ' retract the negative feedback , as it's not the sellers fault that you don't understand fully what a pre print is . If in doubt , you could have asked , or looked it up on the net , but you bid almost in the final hour , and let's face it , it cost you US $0.01 + postage Many celebreties send out preprint signatures to fans . It's very normal , and the seller is not a crook . Sorry . __________________ Homepage http://www.soundclick.com/members/de...member=flat357 My Latest Music http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...?bandID=812941 MySpace http://www.myspace.com/flat357

March 27th, 2008, 04:07 PM	#13 (permalink)
BellyBoy Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Chula Vista, Ca Age: 48 Posts: 415	"This photo comes with a Certificate Of Authenticity detailing that the signature shown here on the photo is certified authentic." That would lead me to believe that the signature was real and with a certificate of authenticity.... I would NOT withdraw the negative feedback... __________________ http://www.johnnymannion.com http://www.myspace.com/johnnymannionband

March 27th, 2008, 04:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
Flat357 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cheshire Age: 39 Posts: 1,866	If ya gonna quote it , then quote it all Shelby Lynne preprint SEXY HOT Signed Photo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is an 8X10 MINT condition Glossy autographed preprint which will arrive to you in perfect condition. We are also including a stunning hard plastic display for this so that you can show this off in an elite fashion. This photo comes with a Certificate Of Authenticity detailing that the signature shown here on the photo is certified authentic. We have been getting photos signed in person for over a decade and are now offering some incredibly discounted PREPRINTS which are all printed on high quality photo paper and you will get exactly what is shown. We encourage multiple item purchases by offering a discount on all multiple orders. SHIPPING: We ship all items WORLDWIDE. We are a full time ebayer and ship same or next day so count on a very fast turn around. We also offer overnight shipping for an additional fee. We accept PAYPAL, Money Orders, Bank Checks, Cashiers Checks. RETURN POLICY: 100% satisfaction guarantee! If you are unhappy with your photo for any reason you may simply return it within 5 days for a full merchandise credit or even exchange. You may be interested in our other listings on eBay. They are preprints of real autographs , that they aquired themselves , which the certificates state . Possibly misleading , but certainly not intentionally crooked . __________________ Homepage http://www.soundclick.com/members/de...member=flat357 My Latest Music http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...?bandID=812941 MySpace http://www.myspace.com/flat357

March 27th, 2008, 05:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
Catweazle Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 254	I would say that the description is designed to lead potential buyers to believe that there is a genuine autograph on the photo. The very wording "autographed preprint" says quite categorically that they have taken a preprint and had it autographed. Had they said that it was a preprint of an autographed photograph, then I would have agreed, but not with the wording that they used. Sorry, it's a scam. Spend a while on this site: http://www.scamsonebay.com/pages/content.php?content.38 and see what other scammers get up to.

March 27th, 2008, 05:15 PM	#17 (permalink)
Bogo Tele-Meister Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Age: 53 Posts: 332	A preprint is a photo taken of an autographed photo. The winning bid per the auction was $.01! What more can be said? __________________ Just when you think you know the answer, they change the question. -- Roddy Piper

March 27th, 2008, 05:55 PM	#18 (permalink)
GuitarJunkie84 Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Age: 24 Posts: 220	You bought a picture that would be cool to have. It does not sound like this was something you were buying to sell. Why not hang it up and enjoy it for what you originally bought it for?

March 27th, 2008, 06:01 PM	#19 (permalink)
Slow Reflexes Tele-Meister Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Willamette and Columbia Posts: 127	It was deliberately misleading. That sounds like "crooked" to me.

March 27th, 2008, 06:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
getbent Moderator Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Benito County, California Age: 48 Posts: 7,721 35 Photos	I don't know what you paid... if it was less than 20.00, I'd let it go... the seller is a crook. Then I'd pick up the phone and call Shelby's talent folks and ask for an autographed picture.. that you are a huge fan and got snookered out of 20.00 on ebay just to get her picture and it was not what you expected. I'll bet they'd be happy to do it for you. You can email her agent's assistant DavidStrunk@theagencygroup.com and ask... people are usually cool about stuff like this... the seller is a clown... __________________ Be big... like Jupiter.

March 27th, 2008, 06:06 PM	#21 (permalink)
pengipete Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gloucester U.K. Age: 47 Posts: 767	A "certified copy" would just mean that the copy was produced with the permission of the copyright holder which would not alter the legality or otherwise of this sale on the basis of this seller's description. I can't see anything in that description that could be taken as constituting outright lies or be argued as being deliberately misleading. The description of the picture as a "preprint" is debatable - "print" or "reprint" would be a more accurate description and you may have a case if you can establish that "preprint" is deliberately used to confuse or to hide the true value of the item but you would then have to explain why you didn't query the description before bidding. Whatever our feelings about the quality of the item that was sold, it was very clearly described as a preprint in the item's title and the description. The seller also gave a money back guarantee so it's even more difficult to point fingers at their business practise. There's also the fact the seller already had negative feedback such as "BETRAY..sells xeroxcopies as signed pictures.." which would have given them a feedback score of 82.5% at the time (1 negative in 8 sales) which should have been checked before you purchased. It doesn't mitigate any potential wrongdoing on their part but does suggest that you may not have taken sufficient care before bidding. The only possible grounds I can see for a complaint to eBay is the fact that the title and description describes the item as both a preprint and a photo and you might be able to argue that it can't be both at the same time. The part of the description that might support that argument is the line that reads "This photo comes with a Certificate Of Authenticity detailing that the signature shown here on the photo is certified authentic" and you could argue that this part of the description suggests that you will receive "This photo" rather than a copy but the problem here is that every photo is only a copy of the original film or digital data. Sorry to say this but I don't think that you've got a leg to stand on and I'm not even sure that you are justified in leaving negative feedback as the seller doesn't appear to have set out to mislead. It looks more like you bid without reading the description properly.

March 27th, 2008, 06:09 PM	#22 (permalink)
robt57 Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lost Yankee in Nashville Age: 51 Posts: 824	pre·print /n. ˈpriˌprɪnt; v. priˈprɪnt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[n. pree-print; v. pree-print] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.an advance printing, usually of a portion of a book or of an article in a periodical. –verb (used with object) 2.to print for future use. 3.to print a preprint. In this case=TO PRINT A PREPRINT Wiki, 'For What it's Worth': 'While a preprint refers to an article not yet published' OK, my 2 cents: The seller offered a full refund. Did you request one, did you attempt to allow the seller to resolve your dissatisfaction? Did the seller include the shipping in the refund, did you even request that they did or would before leaving feedback? Was it reasonable for you to assume you would not get a reply within a reasonable amount of time. How long did you wait after you sent your eMail to leave feedback? Did you send additional eMail other than the first one in case a spam filter or non-deterministic internet POP3 service ate yours or puked down the line? Did you send the initial or additional email with a return receipt request from your mail program?? Did you allow that other user's negative feedback influence your doing so, leaving negative I mean?

March 27th, 2008, 06:12 PM	#23 (permalink)
TDPRI Administrator Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: TDPRILAND Posts: 4,623 35 Photos	I'd chime in that it's not crooked and that you were easily duped it seems. But then, if something is too good to be true then it most likely is... as in buying an autographed photo for a penny. Could she have been more clear? You bet. Could you have simply asked, "what's a preprint"? You bet. Are you out a penny and shipping? You bet? Lessoned learned? You BET! And, I would retract the Neg feedback, give her neutral feedback and detail that her description was misleading in your opinion.

March 27th, 2008, 06:15 PM	#24 (permalink)
BellyBoy Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Chula Vista, Ca Age: 48 Posts: 415	So if I put an auction on ebay which shows an image of a wii with guitar Hero... and in the ad I state, you will get exactly what is shown here and all I send you is the PICTURE of a wii with guitar hero but no actual product other than the picture, am I misleading you, ripping you off or being honest? The seller is a crook, it should read