Editing recorded guitar

Stefan · March 13th, 2008, 04:38 PM

This is pretty amazing! The possibilities are almost unlimited these days on what you can do with your homestudio.

Check this out!

http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna

Martinussen · March 13th, 2008, 05:20 PM

This deserves a closer look, thanks Stefan.

Stefan · March 14th, 2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Martinussen

This deserves a closer look, thanks Stefan.

Indeed! I have a friend who works with it and I´m goin over there to learn more. I have a Digi 002 with Pro Tools here collecting dust

I better start working with it..

Tim Bowen · March 14th, 2008, 02:10 AM

Yeah, a friend had me watch this promo earlier this week. Considering that it's not MIDI-specific, it's fairly amazing and certainly groundbreaking. I like what the guy said about getting past the hurdles of conventional wisdom and focusing on what might be possible. Evidently, he figured it out. Stuff like this and the "harmonic capo" - there are some seriously curious and dilligent tinkerers out there, and here's to 'em!

What this means to me is that I can play open E-11 chords exclusively at sessions and do the arrangements after the fact! Woohoo!

Ethical · March 14th, 2008, 04:13 AM

Yet another substitution of technology for talent :~(

Ted

StuH · March 14th, 2008, 06:43 AM

I wouldn't buy into the hype of that video just yet, wait till it is out for six months and go to the forums.

Did you notice how compressed/distorted most of those polyphonic guitar samples the guy was using. Using the software I have I can comp a distorted guitar lead and make it convincing. Also did you see any guitar bends in that video, any natural vibrato etc... No real intricacies in the playing, in general very distinct chord changes/note changes were in the original samples to my ears almost robotic playing.

Anyone using melodyne that I know of (Sonar forums) say the latest version of the product works great on vocals providing note correction is small and to expect someone who can't sing to be corrected and sound like Cher in that song where her voice is vocoded. In general a great tool for someone who needs to make edit subtle pitch corrections to audio.

Here's a link to the current melodyne plug in and again the original samples have distinct/abrupt voice changes. Listen through to the end and you'll hear a pitch correction that sounds absolutely awefull.

http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=plugin1&L=0

My thoughts on this yet to be released version of melodyne is don't buy into the hype too quickly and inquire from the experience of other before chucking mega bucks on a magic pill.

nevadacalifornia · March 14th, 2008, 06:57 AM

Why not just play it the way you want it to sound? This just seems wrong to me. Mic up the band in the studio, play it live, and record it analog on tape. There's an idea.

mikespe · March 14th, 2008, 07:03 AM

I think the technology iis in it's infant stage. However, in the hands of the right developers I think there is promise to this software. It isn't replacing talent. Sequencers like FL Studio have already done that. Like mentioned in the video, what if you hit one wrong note 3/4 of the way through the song. Normally it would have to be re-done...sometimes from the beginning of the song. Or say you used a particular voicing of a chord and after it was recorded you decided on another voicing...well why record the whole song over for just one chord/note.

I don't think it will ever replace musicians...except those played in dance clubs. Heck, that music doesn't have ONE real instrument in the music...and even the singer lip-sync's in concerts so they can dance instead!

Stefan · March 14th, 2008, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikespe

I think the technology iis in it's infant stage. However, in the hands of the right developers I think there is promise to this software. It isn't replacing talent. Sequencers like FL Studio have already done that. Like mentioned in the video, what if you hit one wrong note 3/4 of the way through the song. Normally it would have to be re-done...sometimes from the beginning of the song. Or say you used a particular voicing of a chord and after it was recorded you decided on another voicing...well why record the whole song over for just one chord/note.

I don't think it will ever replace musicians...except those played in dance clubs. Heck, that music doesn't have ONE real instrument in the music...and even the singer lip-sync's in concerts so they can dance instead!

I agree. It will never be a substitute for real talent. It´s a tool you can use to make good things a bit better. You can use it to try different things in a song and see what it sounds like. I see it as an editing tool to correct small things in the mix.

bendecaster · March 14th, 2008, 07:37 AM

How many tracks does that thing record? There were only a couple tracks on those demo vids. I wonder if it's possible to have an orchestra play completely off, and to turn it into a beautiful symphony?

BillyG · March 14th, 2008, 12:13 PM

The technology, while still in its early stages, is astounding. Imagine if Mozart had access? By the way, that guy has the best beard I've ever seen.

woodman · March 14th, 2008, 07:31 PM

incredible editing tool! but no substitute for dim lights, thick smoke and loud, loud music (and beer!). we need both worlds!

J-man · March 14th, 2008, 07:58 PM

Hmm seems a little too good to be true, to me.

Editing individual frequencies has been possible for a long time, but the amount of harmonics and natural impurity of pitch of any recorded sound makes it near impossible to totally seperate individual notes.

As far as pitch shifting without stretching/shrinking goes, well most software has that capability already.

I'd have to try it out before I'll buy into it.

woodman · March 14th, 2008, 08:42 PM

yeah, it sounded so natural, i also wondered if it was too good to be true.

March 13th, 2008, 04:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
Stefan Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden Age: 29 Posts: 1,810 36 Photos	Editing recorded guitar This is pretty amazing! The possibilities are almost unlimited these days on what you can do with your homestudio. Check this out! http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna __________________ 1981 Capri Orange Fender Telecaster 1976 Fender Stratocaster 2007 Martin Backpacker 2005 Martin HD-28

March 13th, 2008, 05:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Martinussen Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denmark Age: 40 Posts: 353	This deserves a closer look, thanks Stefan. __________________ Danish? Ain't that sumthin' ya eat?

March 14th, 2008, 02:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
Tim Bowen Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Age: 47 Posts: 3,130	Yeah, a friend had me watch this promo earlier this week. Considering that it's not MIDI-specific, it's fairly amazing and certainly groundbreaking. I like what the guy said about getting past the hurdles of conventional wisdom and focusing on what might be possible. Evidently, he figured it out. Stuff like this and the "harmonic capo" - there are some seriously curious and dilligent tinkerers out there, and here's to 'em! What this means to me is that I can play open E-11 chords exclusively at sessions and do the arrangements after the fact! Woohoo! __________________ Can't say, 'cause I don't know. - Bullwinkle

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Ethical Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 52 Posts: 316 1 Photos	Yet another substitution of technology for talent :~( Ted __________________ If it wasn't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all

March 14th, 2008, 06:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
StuH Tele-Afflicted Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yukon, Canada Age: 38 Posts: 1,445 12 Photos	I wouldn't buy into the hype of that video just yet, wait till it is out for six months and go to the forums. Did you notice how compressed/distorted most of those polyphonic guitar samples the guy was using. Using the software I have I can comp a distorted guitar lead and make it convincing. Also did you see any guitar bends in that video, any natural vibrato etc... No real intricacies in the playing, in general very distinct chord changes/note changes were in the original samples to my ears almost robotic playing. Anyone using melodyne that I know of (Sonar forums) say the latest version of the product works great on vocals providing note correction is small and to expect someone who can't sing to be corrected and sound like Cher in that song where her voice is vocoded. In general a great tool for someone who needs to make edit subtle pitch corrections to audio. Here's a link to the current melodyne plug in and again the original samples have distinct/abrupt voice changes. Listen through to the end and you'll hear a pitch correction that sounds absolutely awefull. http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=plugin1&L=0 My thoughts on this yet to be released version of melodyne is don't buy into the hype too quickly and inquire from the experience of other before chucking mega bucks on a magic pill. __________________ My music page http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=561926

March 14th, 2008, 06:57 AM	#7 (permalink)
nevadacalifornia Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Wisconsin Age: 40 Posts: 124	Why not just play it the way you want it to sound? This just seems wrong to me. Mic up the band in the studio, play it live, and record it analog on tape. There's an idea.

March 14th, 2008, 07:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
mikespe Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Western New York Age: 42 Posts: 1,058	I think the technology iis in it's infant stage. However, in the hands of the right developers I think there is promise to this software. It isn't replacing talent. Sequencers like FL Studio have already done that. Like mentioned in the video, what if you hit one wrong note 3/4 of the way through the song. Normally it would have to be re-done...sometimes from the beginning of the song. Or say you used a particular voicing of a chord and after it was recorded you decided on another voicing...well why record the whole song over for just one chord/note. I don't think it will ever replace musicians...except those played in dance clubs. Heck, that music doesn't have ONE real instrument in the music...and even the singer lip-sync's in concerts so they can dance instead!

March 14th, 2008, 07:37 AM	#10 (permalink)
bendecaster Tele-Holic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: maine Posts: 803	How many tracks does that thing record? There were only a couple tracks on those demo vids. I wonder if it's possible to have an orchestra play completely off, and to turn it into a beautiful symphony? __________________ The Demented 7th

March 14th, 2008, 12:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
BillyG Tele-Meister Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Summerville, SC Age: 40 Posts: 431	The technology, while still in its early stages, is astounding. Imagine if Mozart had access? By the way, that guy has the best beard I've ever seen.

March 14th, 2008, 07:31 PM	#12 (permalink)
woodman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mint Hill, NC Age: 62 Posts: 5,670	incredible editing tool! but no substitute for dim lights, thick smoke and loud, loud music (and beer!). we need both worlds! __________________ Truth is stranger than fact ... www.myspace.com/woodymitchellmusic BAND PAGES: www.myspace.com/stragglerswing (Stragglers - Western Swing) www.myspace.com/loafersgloryband (Loafers Glory - '70s country-rock)

March 14th, 2008, 07:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
J-man Moderator Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Wales/Scarborough Age: 19 Posts: 6,096 9 Photos	Hmm seems a little too good to be true, to me. Editing individual frequencies has been possible for a long time, but the amount of harmonics and natural impurity of pitch of any recorded sound makes it near impossible to totally seperate individual notes. As far as pitch shifting without stretching/shrinking goes, well most software has that capability already. I'd have to try it out before I'll buy into it. __________________ Write a wise saying and your name will live forever. - Unknown When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. - Hunter S Thompson

March 14th, 2008, 08:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
woodman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mint Hill, NC Age: 62 Posts: 5,670	yeah, it sounded so natural, i also wondered if it was too good to be true. __________________ Truth is stranger than fact ... www.myspace.com/woodymitchellmusic BAND PAGES: www.myspace.com/stragglerswing (Stragglers - Western Swing) www.myspace.com/loafersgloryband (Loafers Glory - '70s country-rock)