adding a G bender to tele with B bender already there ?

[cbnutt]

i have a B bender in my tele now, P/W style from Bill Bores and installed from Brian F. whats involved with adding a G to it ? the kind where you push away from your body, with the added strap, iam assuming its not a problem to add one on to it.

[Guy-Paul]

Did you have a look there?

http://www.stringbender.com/bender/default.htm

(Look at Double bender in the menu)

[Guy-Paul]

Have you also thought of adding a Hipshot to bend G instead of B? It requires some metal work and if it is your guitar I see there, the B bender hole situation probably wouldn't allow this. But the pix is real small, I don't know. And then I never tried it. But I have both benders at home, like them both, and I seriously think of ordering another hipshot to combine both worlds after I paid my income taxes. I just won't be able to afford a real PW double bender after that.

[bender-freak]

Originally Posted by Guy-Paul

Have you also thought of adding a Hipshot to bend G instead of B? It requires some metal work and if it is your guitar I see there, the B bender hole situation probably wouldn't allow this. But the pix is real small, I don't know. And then I never tried it. But I have both benders at home, like them both, and I seriously think of ordering another hipshot to combine both worlds after I paid my income taxes. I just won't be able to afford a real PW double bender after that.

adding a Hipshot to this type of "hub" bender...i have added a Hipshot to my P/G tele with an added lever and have b/g/a bend on it...added a Hipshot to my silver sparkle tele with the Shelton bender for b/g combo...all my other "bent" teles have a Hipshot with b/g.....

i don't think it (Hipshot) can be done with the "hub" type set-up as the hub would be in the way of the G string travel...however, down through the years i have run across several teles with "hubs" for g and b both; the hub for the g is just set behind the b hub and off-center half a diameter to the inside of the b hub....don't have clue as to who installs this setup, though

[bilpfeiffer]

Larry Miletich at Guitar One Workshop can do this.His shop phone #is 406-752-1215. He just installed a P/W in my tele and Iam VERY pleased. Hehas a video "double bender workout" ,he sent me with my tele, which speaks to this.
Hope this is helpfull, Bil

[bilpfeiffer]

Larry Miletich at Guitar One Workshop can do this.His shop phone # is 406-752-1215. He just installed a P/W in my tele and Iam VERY pleased. He has a video "double bender workout" ,he sent me with my tele, which speaks to this.
Hope this is helpfull, Bil

[Guy-Paul]

I think I’m a bit confused with the so many benders on the market. I'm new to the bender field, and even to the tele I must say. I was more a mandolin and irish banjo player (and celtic nut), and recently turned back to 6 strings and country.
From what I read from bender-freak’s comment, if I get this right the Nashville or American B-bender tele are equipped with the PG bender, slightly different from the PW. Then if I get this right, you do have a Hipshot on such a guitar on the G string, with a palm lever? Then it could be done? I hope so because I can’t afford much more than a Hipshot at the moment, there are expensive enough.

[bender-freak]

Originally Posted by Guy-Paul

I think I’m a bit confused with the so many benders on the market. I'm new to the bender field, and even to the tele I must say. I was more a mandolin and irish banjo player (and celtic nut), and recently turned back to 6 strings and country.
From what I read from bender-freak’s comment, if I get this right the Nashville or American B-bender tele are equipped with the PG bender, slightly different from the PW. Then if I get this right, you do have a Hipshot on such a guitar on the G string, with a palm lever? Then it could be done? I hope so because I can’t afford much more than a Hipshot at the moment, there are expensive enough.

i use the hip lever for the G string bend, and the palm lever for the A string bend...ONLY mod needed to the Hipshot was filing out a small notch so the base-plate would fit around the chrome grommet in the body of the guitar (B string grommet)...of course, extra notches/holes will be needed in the bridge plate for G or/and A string travel if adding both....all can be done in no more than hour and a half....hope this helped...cheers

[Guy-Paul]

Thanks for the tip, bender-freak. Now I'm sure I won't throw out money when I do this.
And I thought I was so smart ! Ha Ha!
If I may ask, which bender is on your LP? Hipshot? Hipshot's people say it fits an LP but I'm doubtful because the base-plate angle cannot fit a curved top unless...

[bender-freak]

Originally Posted by Guy-Paul

Thanks for the tip, bender-freak. Now I'm sure I won't throw out money when I do this.
And I thought I was so smart ! Ha Ha!
If I may ask, which bender is on your LP? Hipshot? Hipshot's people say it fits an LP but I'm doubtful because the base-plate angle cannot fit a curved top unless...

true, the hipshot baseplate angle is 90%, but can easily be bent for a slight upward angle if wanted to fit an archtop or LP type top contour....i have mounted hipshots on practically every style of guitar known to man...teles, strats, 335's, gretsches...really, only thing than can be a hassle is the type of bridge/saddles on the guitar being fitted....have even mounted hippshots on LP and LP type guitars with a Kahler tremolo, removed the fine tuner for the B string, dremeled a channel for the B string to fit through, and have a tremolo/B string bend both....will be no tremolo effect for B string but still will give some nifty effects when using b bender and trem gently as opposed to "dive-bombing" on the other strings...friend of my here in Springfield installs b/g benders on strat types with FULLY functioning tremolo on all 6 strings that works extremely well ...cheers...

[Guy-Paul]

Hey Bender-freak, I must thank you again. I'm glad it works. I will find use for my LP, wich I had abandoned, sort of. The extra sustain and fatter tone can be interesting for pedal-steel licks though. I was concerned to leave it as unaltered as possible by adding a Hipshot with lever. And the Hipshot is so easy to install. But I was a bit afraid that opening the angle would shorten the bender movement too much and reduce tuning possibilities. So it's reassuring.
Does one have to compensate for the void created by the curved top underneath the base-plate with something, is it worth it?

[bender-freak]

Originally Posted by Guy-Paul

Hey Bender-freak, I must thank you again. I'm glad it works. I will find use for my LP, wich I had abandoned, sort of. The extra sustain and fatter tone can be interesting for pedal-steel licks though. I was concerned to leave it as unaltered as possible by adding a Hipshot with lever. And the Hipshot is so easy to install. But I was a bit afraid that opening the angle would shorten the bender movement too much and reduce tuning possibilities. So it's reassuring.
Does one have to compensate for the void created by the curved top underneath the base-plate with something, is it worth it?

as far as filling the "void", i never did anything to one; angle/stop for b string travel is set by the adjustment screw so the angle of the baseplate is no issue....you may want to use a longer screw for the endpin/hipshot anchor if you are somewhat aggressive in your usage of the "b" lever, or if you don't mind doing so, drill the extra holes and run screws through the holes already on either side of the endpin hole on the hipshot plate...some are loathe to do this, but i consider a guitar to be a tool foremost, so the two extra holes were never a concern to me and completely eliminates the baseplate from "shifting' around while engaging the 'b" lever, which can cause lotsa tuning issues...have fun....cheers

[Guy-Paul]

I finally installed the Hipshot with palm lever on a LP. As for the "void" (sorry for the bad english, hehehe), well, actually, once installed, there isn't much of an empty space there, not enough to care about. But as I was opening the angle of the base-plate a bit (on a bench-vice??), and though I was very gentle, but obviously not enough, the chromium surface sort of suddenly peeled off. It didn't crack and remained there, but perfection is gone. So much for the esthetics, the Hipshot is now sort of wrinkled a bit (too bad, the guitar is a real beauty). Anyway it is fully functional, but I'd like to warn people who want to do this to be EXTREMELY careful when you opened the angle to fit the curved top of a guitar. And I would suggest not to open it too much so that the base-plate really presses the top. It adds up on stability. I had noticed those I received didn't really have a 90 degrees angle, but a bit less. The tension it adds on the screw and therefore on top keeps it in place.
I'll try to place a picture in the Hipshot thread in a couple of days.
I hope Hipshot doesn't sell these with the right angle for LP users aleady opened. I would have a breakdown. ( Actually, I bought it on Ebay and didn't pay as much as direct from Hipshot).

[bender-freak]

Originally Posted by Guy-Paul

I finally installed the Hipshot with palm lever on a LP. As for the "void" (sorry for the bad english, hehehe), well, actually, once installed, there isn't much of an empty space there, not enough to care about. But as I was opening the angle of the base-plate a bit (on a bench-vice??), and though I was very gentle, but obviously not enough, the chromium surface sort of suddenly peeled off. It didn't crack and remained there, but perfection is gone. So much for the esthetics, the Hipshot is now sort of wrinkled a bit (too bad, the guitar is a real beauty). Anyway it is fully functional, but I'd like to warn people who want to do this to be EXTREMELY careful when you opened the angle to fit the curved top of a guitar. And I would suggest not to open it too much so that the base-plate really presses the top. It adds up on stability. I had noticed those I received didn't really have a 90 degrees angle, but a bit less. The tension it adds on the screw and therefore on top keeps it in place.
I'll try to place a picture in the Hipshot thread in a couple of days.
I hope Hipshot doesn't sell these with the right angle for LP users aleady opened. I would have a breakdown. ( Actually, I bought it on Ebay and didn't pay as much as direct from Hipshot).

glad ya got it up and running...sorry about the "wrinkle" you put in the baseplate of the Hipshot...never had this happen on any of mine...yet, anyway........had never paid that much attention to the angle; suppose just a bit less than 90% angle would make some sense....as far as a Hipshot made exclusively for a Les Paul style guitar, i don't think they do that....have fun with it....

[Guy-Paul]

Well, the LP is no Telecaster. I wanted the extra sustain and moody middle tone when used with volume pedal or for space stuff. But the Hipshot is a bit tricky to activate with it, specially when I sit, because the guitar balance is completly different, and also because the Hipshot sits a bit further from the bridge. However the G palm lever is nicer to work with since it's less in the way.
I do have tuning problems though. Maybe because I didn't put the extra screws yet. But I noticed the saddles on the Nashville(???) bridge are moving a bit when I bend B or G, and even if I use the E-D toggle. I'll try to release some tension first by raising the tailpiece, and release friction too at the same time (strings are going through the tailpiece in the teflon tubes which I thought the logical thing to do, but I believe they hit the edge of the bridge). I'll also add up something behind the saddles to block them in place. And then the screws if it doesn't work. ( It shows I'm reluctant, hehe!) Reason is it works real fine on the Asat with one screw, no tuning or stability problems at all. I'm neither a fast, wild, nor a great player. On the other hand, the string run is much shorter on the Asat, so short I had to get rid of the funny string holders.