Diamond Rio B+G bender details...possibly on Hipshot?

[robrohdeszudy]

Anybody know how the two-string bender works mechanically on Jimmy Olander's axe? I am puzzled by how they set up a bender so both strings arrive at the bend note in tune at the same time. I guess they must move the bender attachment point on a bell crank until they're the same? Anybody know the deal?

Relatedly, I'm wondering if the same action is possible with a hipshot. Thoughts?

Thanks!
--Rob

[telesavant]

Originally Posted by robrohdeszudy

Anybody know how the two-string bender works mechanically on Jimmy Olander's axe? I am puzzled by how they set up a bender so both strings arrive at the bend note in tune at the same time. I guess they must move the bender attachment point on a bell crank until they're the same? Anybody know the deal?

Relatedly, I'm wondering if the same action is possible with a hipshot. Thoughts?

Thanks!
--Rob

Separate Bellcranks.....Jimmy has his "G" pull on his strap actuated lever, and his "B" pull is on a separate lever attached by a thin cord to his belt loop, which he actuates by pushing the guitar neck away from his body..... both levers travel in separate directions, and are individually adjustable. His device is build by Joe Glaser.

[jmiles]

"both strings arrive at the bend note in tune at the same time"
Has nothing to do with the mechanics. Has to do with the player. Totally possible with a Hipshot. And practice!

[robrohdeszudy]

Originally Posted by telesavant

Separate Bellcranks.....Jimmy has his "G" pull on his strap actuated lever, and his "B" pull is on a separate lever attached by a thin cord to his belt loop, which he actuates by pushing the guitar neck away from his body..... both levers travel in separate directions, and are individually adjustable. His device is build by Joe Glaser.

Good god, that sounds tricky! I think I just lost interest! Thanks --Rob

[bender-freak]

Originally Posted by robrohdeszudy

Good god, that sounds tricky! I think I just lost interest! Thanks --Rob

it ain't near as hard as it sounds....in my opinion multi-bends are easier on the Hipshot than on an internal bender...i do some licks with Hipshot B/G bender that are ascending notes on B string and descending on G string simultaniously, or other way around...i could be wrong, often am, but i don't think that can easily be done on any other bender system...

as already stated, it all depends on the player....practice, practice, practice, then years later...practice, practice, practice....

don't talk yourself out of being able to do it before you try....have fun...you CAN do it...

[robrohdeszudy]

OK, BF, fair enough. Though I probably should get more used to the B before adding anything. Seems pretty intuitive, really.

So do you have a palm lever for the G?

And do you have any intonation problems with it? I remember seeing something about older hipshots needing some added bracing to use both B + G. Mine is older, so what should I think about bracing? (No stranger to metalwork, here.)

Best,
--Rob

[bender-freak]

Originally Posted by robrohdeszudy

OK, BF, fair enough. Though I probably should get more used to the B before adding anything. Seems pretty intuitive, really.

So do you have a palm lever for the G?

And do you have any intonation problems with it? I remember seeing something about older hipshots needing some added bracing to use both B + G. Mine is older, so what should I think about bracing? (No stranger to metalwork, here.)

Best,
--Rob

check the pivot rod around which the B-bender lever rotates..it SHOULD have a screw running thru the bottom plate upwards to the pivot rod to keep it from "bending out of shape" when pressure is applied to the hip lever...if this screw is not there, then there would be problems with the pivot rod not running "true" when you bend your b string, depending on how aggressive you are with it...there is a short learning curve to using one...i honestly don't remember if my FIRST hipshot had this screw or if i added it myself; that unit is on my american standard tele Parson/Greene B-bender...i added it (hipshot) to this guitar and by moving the B lever over for the G string and the G lever over to the A string, have benders on B/G/ and A on this particular tele...all my others with the exception of my Shelton equipped silver sparkle american stnd. tele are B/G only...the silver sparkle is just B bend but has had a G bender added in the past at different times...then my McKenzie bender has E/B/G benders, but it is a completely different creature...

adding levers, moving the benders from guitar to guitar is one of the main selling points of the Hipshot units for me...they require no mutilation except sometimes having to file notches in the back of the bridgeplate for string travel for the bent strings, unit can easily be moved from guitar to guitar in minutes...

i have not encountered any intonation problems at all with B string or G or A strings, nor have i encountered any "coming back to pitch" issues at all ...i hope i haven't further confused you with "facts".....

have fun and any questions, i'll try and answer... what i DON"T know i'll make up as i go