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Telecaster Made In Japan... need reviews..

KnopflerStyle
October 1st, 2007, 09:22 AM
Guys i need your experience here....

I am looking for some Tele... my options are a new Standard New Mexico for 800u$s, ebay partcaster for 800u$s (USA parts) or.... a new option... an used Tele 50s RI MIJ for 800u$s (serial V007474)

Today i will play the MIJ, what do you think? Should I? Because i think its the best option... someone could help me please :neutral:

King regards for all.

roadkillbill
October 1st, 2007, 09:31 AM
If my only choices were a new standard MIM and a MIJ from the mid-nineties, I'd go hands down with the MIJ..I've got a U serial number MIJ, from '96 and it's wonderful.

The partscaster might be tempting, but I'd need a lot more info on that..but the MIJ would require no further thought.

Bill

FredDairy
October 1st, 2007, 09:38 AM
Maybe it has to do with your location and what I'm going to advise you to do will be impossible, but if you're going to spend 800.00 on a MIJ or MIM 50s can't you try to find a used AV 52 for $900?

Every MIJ Fender I've owned need some sort of hardware or wiring upgrade.

KnopflerStyle
October 1st, 2007, 09:50 AM
Maybe it has to do with your location and what I'm going to advise you to do will be impossible, but if you're going to spend 800.00 on a MIJ or MIM 50s can't you try to find a used AV 52 for $900?

Every MIJ Fender I've owned need some sort of hardware or wiring upgrade.

Its not possible that... an AV52 is 3000u$s new... used is 2400u$s. No chance.

The parcaster could be an Amercian body with some MIM neck and Original Pickups Vintage with USA accesories and wiring.

Please keep posting your views please.Thanks for that opinions.

musicalmartin
October 1st, 2007, 10:01 AM
I made a parts caster from a HW1 nitro sunburst body and an MIM Baja neck with Bill and Becky Keystones with 2003 American series delta controls,compensated 3 brass bridge .These were the components I selected because I could afford them and liked them so its turned out very well .I just bought them bit by bit .I may put in a mini humbucker in the neck position though the Keystones are fine but will have to route out .Thats the great joy of a parts caster ,there is no manufacturers specs but your own. I suppose a modicum o fknowledge and practicality is required ,it did need some setting up .I also did a similar experiment with a Strat and thats was also fine (HW1 loaded body, MIM CP 50's neck ) and that just screwed together ,strung up and played perfectly .I doubt I will buy a fully made up Fender again . I just prefer doing it myself.good old ebay ...

roadkillbill
October 1st, 2007, 10:14 AM
Well, if the partscaster is only a mia body w/mim neck, I'd probably pass on it...to me the neck's the main thing...I don't know how an mia body is really going to enhance your life that much. And then in the end, it is still a partscaster with possible resale problems..

Whereas the MIJ will probably (I hope) have no such resale problems...in fact, it should appreciate... and it may have one the nicest necks out there..mine does.

And a new MIM standard will immediately drop in resale value the minute you get it, as it instantly becomes a used MIM standard..

If you can, look for a good used MIM, maybe, as another choice...good guitar, less money, and you can probably sell it for what you paid for it, if you need to or want to later.

Jellecaster
October 1st, 2007, 10:28 AM
Every MIJ Fender I've owned need some sort of hardware or wiring upgrade.

+1

I have purchased two CIJ's - a '52 and '62 and they both needed work. The bridge plates that Fender Japan uses are very cheap and rough. They actually bothered my hand. This really ticks me off because a good genuine Fender cost $7 at retail - how much would it cost them?

Here is the link to the thread that I started about my '52 (click) (http://www.tdpri.com/forum/telecaster-discussion-forum/77273-my-new-cij-52-a.html) Overall, the are very well made and you certainly wouldn't have to do all of the upgrades that I did. At a minimum I would say that you will want to replace the unbelievably cheap switch and bridge plate.

Mark Davis
October 1st, 2007, 02:15 PM
The MIJ's used to have good metal parts they might be using less quality to save $$.

If you buy an MIJ and have to replace everything but the body and neck thats a partscaster itself isnt it? Or does it just become a modded MIJ?

Jellecaster
October 1st, 2007, 02:20 PM
In retrospect, the problem that I had with the sound of the pups could have been caused by the bridge plate. I probably could have gotten away with replacing that, the switch and I had to replace the knobs because I can't stand the super-round "R2D2" knobs that it comes with. YMMV....

On my '62 all I replaced was the bridge plate and I am very happy.

AjayTele
October 1st, 2007, 06:34 PM
No contest as far as I am concerned. MIJ is the way to go.:wink:

And I have never had to replace anything on a MIJ guitar. :roll:

I just play 'em and love 'em.:grin:

holndav
October 1st, 2007, 07:28 PM
Based on your options as listed and the fact that you get to play the MIJ...if it plays well and feels good get the MIJ.

I have several and they are all very nice. Even the one I like the least of the herd has some great qualities.

KnopflerStyle
October 1st, 2007, 09:32 PM
Excellent thanks guys....

My MIA need to rest for some days so the MIJ is the best partner for her. I dont want to refret i prefer to spend that money for some new guit. I want to try the U-Shape too.

Tomorroy i will try it. Then i will post the comments.

Guido
October 1st, 2007, 11:27 PM
Hi:

My first brand new tele was a MIJ I bought new in Mar 1989, I was 22 and in college and it was a lot to save up to buy it. Still have it, gigged with it this weekend too, It's my favorite Tele and I have 4

BTW I did put 52 re-issue pickups in it...That it

0le FUZZY
October 1st, 2007, 11:35 PM
...I rate MIJs from fair tew good.

...I hadda lotta issues with them.

...The stamp onna back of the neck, the cereal numb-burrs, 12th fret marker dots, cheap tuners, cheap lectrics and switches, warped P/U tops and use-yew-lee lifeless P/Us, silly milly parts and Allen head saddle screws and most of all the very cheap plating onna bridge and udder metal parts which rusted in very short order.

http://www.thomaskinkadechico.com/gdstock4.jpg

...I haff owned dozens of them and onlee own a single won now and my basswood body onna Outlaw.

...Lotta folks here luv em and sew be it, I don't. MHO onlee and YMMV.





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JimiBryant
October 1st, 2007, 11:41 PM
my two cents:

figure on upgrading cheap parts and pickups, regardless.

buy whichever guitar sounds and plays the best and don't get
hung up on this or that - back before Eddie Van Halen, I passed
on plenty of under-$400 pre-CBS Strats that played like JUNK!

these days I don't even plug in a Strat or Tele to check 'em out:
if it's loud, balanced, and resonant un-plugged, it'll be great plugged
in.

"have a good time, all the time"

KnopflerStyle
October 2nd, 2007, 08:22 AM
Mmmm....

Great Reviews, they are helping me very much.

Now i am consider to buy a new Mexico Tele and change the bridge only with a 3 saddle stock Fender Tele bridge. It will cost me the same as the MIJ 50s RI Tele used.

A question... wich is the difference between a CIJ and a MIJ. Where the parts on the CIJ come?

Fuzzy good point of view i have the two bells right now.

AjayTele
October 2nd, 2007, 09:58 AM
I don't know how I put this diplomatically...:roll:

IMHO, MIM Teles aren't in the same game as MIJ/CIJ Teles. Whatever the other guys say about changing components (which I don't actually agree with anyway), the Japanese necks are usually much, much better than the MIM ones and that alone is a good reason to get the MIJ version.

Then, if you feel the need to change bits, so be it, but it's easier to change smaller bits than necks....:wink:

roadkillbill
October 2nd, 2007, 10:40 AM
KnopflerStyle....can you post a picture of the "used Tele 50s RI MIJ for 800u$s (serial V007474)" that you are considering?

KnopflerStyle
October 2nd, 2007, 11:02 AM
http://www.wikifotos.es/static2/2007/07/02/1394177.jpg

http://www.wikifotos.es/static2/2007/07/02/1394323.jpg

amp boy
October 2nd, 2007, 11:08 AM
MIJ= made in japan, 80's production
CIJ= crafted in japan, 90's to current production.
Get the best sounding guitar, neck and body.
everything else is subjectiv and changeable.
i personally really wanted to buy an mij esquire that came into a local shop, but i lost my job beforehand so i couldn't justify it. i still wish i had that guitar, the best neck i've played in a guitar shop in a long time, better than the 52RI's, and guitars costing double of that mij esquire, so that's in the 2 grand range.
look at it this way, if you end up liking this mij, your most likely getting waaay better quality, and a neck/body that has been played and smoothed for what..10...20 years. that's better than the new heavy poly stuff, and sticky necks.
best with it.

roadkillbill
October 2nd, 2007, 11:47 AM
That's absolutely beautiful...Resistance would be futile if it was my choice.

Have you played it? Fondled its neck?

I think I'm in love...

11 Gauge
October 2nd, 2007, 12:10 PM
http://www.wikifotos.es/static2/2007/07/02/1394177.jpg

http://www.wikifotos.es/static2/2007/07/02/1394323.jpg

That looks very much like a tobacco burst that I tried back in '96.

As good as it looked, I just couldn't get a good sound out of it.

Call it heresy - I ended up with a '95 MIM Std. instead. Not much to look at, but boy did it play and sound great. I still have it today.

Not suggesting one over the other, but why not just try everything in your price range, and who cares where it was made?

13ontheB
October 2nd, 2007, 12:29 PM
I got a 62 Reissue CIJ 3T Sunburst, it came with US Texas Special Pup's The only Mod I did was replacing the bridgeplate and saddles with a Wilkinson compensated setup. The guitar plays and sounds great, with plenty of excellent Tele tone on each pickup position, I like the chunky U shape neck I also have a 69 Reissue Thinline, U shape neck profile. Had a MIM standard Tele and sold it 'cause the neck felt wafer thin, much more so than my 96 MIA B Bender Tele.
I say go with the CIJ models,they are reputed to be on a par with the MIA's
and I don't doubt that build wise,the finish on my CIJ is superb. Upgrading of switches, pot's etc. may be desirable to some players, but I have no issues with my CIJ.

Good Luck with whatever you decide on.

GuitarJunkie84
October 2nd, 2007, 12:49 PM
Have you considered buying and having a guitar shipped to you from another country? How much would shipping cost from the states for example? What other costs would have to be worried about for international buyers/sellers?

KnopflerStyle
October 2nd, 2007, 02:11 PM
Have you considered buying and having a guitar shipped to you from another country? How much would shipping cost from the states for example? What other costs would have to be worried about for international buyers/sellers?

I live in Argentina. Thats my problem. Its not safe to import expensive things.

telefusion
October 2nd, 2007, 06:51 PM
13ontheb, i have the exact same model TL62B-82TX..the neck is not chunky nor U shaped..I know because my RK tele's neck is REAL chunky and U shaped..it's almost nocaster-ish..the 62RI is more of a medium C/D shape..

KnopflerStyle
October 2nd, 2007, 07:31 PM
13ontheb, i have the exact same model TL62B-82TX..the neck is not chunky nor U shaped..I know because my RK tele's neck is REAL chunky and U shaped..it's almost nocaster-ish..the 62RI is more of a medium C/D shape..

But are you happy with it?
Specifications says U shape... thats not true???

telefusion
October 3rd, 2007, 04:57 PM
the specs do? not so on the ishibashi web link, but i may have recalled wrongly..the RK tele is a real U shaped neck, the 62RI feels medium-ish and quite a "D" to me...after playing the chunky U of the RK I didn't really dig the 62's neck that much but I can adapt to most necks okay..:razz:

just checked the FJ site..the 62RI with texas specials, in fact most of the tele necks are described as "maple oval shape"...doesn't sound like a U to me..

KnopflerStyle
October 3rd, 2007, 11:02 PM
Well i played that baby this afternoon.

My Review:

The Guitar condition : 8/10
Bridge: Has some details like irregular parts. Its sharp.
Neck: Its a V i think. I have always played with C. I like that V neck and those frets too. Bends like hell too. The only thing that i dont like is the finish. Its rare i dont know. Too much difference between a MIA. The Mexican Bridge seems to be better. I have never played one.

Sound: Nothing special. A tele.

Regards and thank you very much for your help. I will try with a STd. Mex and i will change the bridge with some Std 3 saddle fender bridge. Fast and cheap.

trag-o-caster
October 3rd, 2007, 11:13 PM
Is CIJ considered the same as MIJ? The "Blue Floral Horror" is CIJ and other than the pickguard I've never changed a thing.

Oh yeah.... I did rip out that capacitor thingie that made it thin out as you turned the volume down. It's quite noticable that they cut corners on the pots and wiring and so forth, but I've not had a problem with 'er. PU's are stock too.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d29/timothylamb/Gear%20pics/BlueFloralcloseup-1.jpg