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Duane Allman tone

hawkpicker
September 4th, 2007, 04:27 AM
Does anyone have any recomendations for a small combo amp that gets a good Duane Allman tone (think Fillmore). I've got a Plexi 100w reissue which does the job when I want to play for everyone in the state, but would like something that comes close at a little less volume. I've got a DRRI, a Crate V8, and an Epi Valve Jr. none of which quite get the "vibe" I'm looking for (although they are all great in some way or another). Any recomendations for pedals that could get my amps in the ballpark?

Thanks

11 Gauge
September 4th, 2007, 09:34 AM
Although most of the Duane thing came from the man himself, I think that another key ingredient to his sonics that I learned about recently was the open back cab.

I imagine he would have sounded equally awesome thru an old Tweed Bassman, a Marshall, or even a BF/SF Super Reverb.

Probably an open back cab with 2 speakers would be sufficient. They could be 10s or 12s. JMO.

That Fillmore East stuff has got to be some of the best rock guitar tones I've ever heard.

rdchapman
September 4th, 2007, 10:14 AM
Part of Duane's tone was he used a 50 watt head with 2 4-12 cabs. He could push the amp harder. Dicky used the 100. I used to use a 50 watt Marshall with a single 15 for my pedal steel in the 70's for a while, and man that amp could sing. Not what you would call typical steel tone, but boy would it cut.

fierce_carrot
September 4th, 2007, 05:26 PM
Lots of things made up Duane's tone, but you still can't get away from the fact it was based on a Marshall Plexi with EL34's cranked up. I'd look at a PPIMV such as the Rich mod or a very high quality attenuator (UGH!!!) if you want to stay in that area. Changing output tubes will take you away from his tone.

tazzboy
September 4th, 2007, 07:10 PM
http://www.hotguitarist.com/music_artists/duane_allman.htm

tazzboy
September 4th, 2007, 07:13 PM
Oh wait here is a better one

http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=607

trag-o-caster
September 4th, 2007, 07:29 PM
He also used some kind of distortion gizmo with a weak battery didn't he?

I know that he used a BF Twin Reverb for his earlier session stuff.

rockycreeker
September 5th, 2007, 03:58 PM
I always heard/read that Duane used Les Pauls through 50 watt Marshalls into Marshall cabs with JBLs - lately I've heard Cerwin-Vega speakers. I think it was straight into the amp for live stuff.

He did use a fuzz for a good bit of the studio stuff - listen to either DA Anthology. I've heard that the first ABB album was Fender Twins w/ JBLs. He did use a Strat in the studio - Wilson Pickett's "Hey Jude" is obviously Strat.

But to recommend to anyone - I'd use a non-Master volume 50 watt Marshall with a 4x12 cab with of course a Les Paul type guitar.

Cheesehead
September 5th, 2007, 04:05 PM
Does anyone have any recomendations for a small combo amp that gets a good Duane Allman tone (think Fillmore). ... Any recomendations for pedals that could get my amps in the ballpark?

Well, I'll take a stab at actually answering hawkpicker's question. I've got an EH English MUFF'n, which uses tubes and just nails the Plexi tone through my Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb RI, which I'd also highly recommend.

DrewB
September 5th, 2007, 08:47 PM
I'd look at a PPIMV such as the Rich mod or a very high quality attenuator (UGH!!!) if you want to stay in that area.

I guess I'm the polar opposite of this. I'll never forget the day I removed the RICH mod from my 1987X. Two thoughts immediately came to mind when I plugged into it: "Wow, I forgot how good this amp sounds!" and "Wow, I forgot how loud this amp is!" The RICH mod gives you a "frown" EQ response, IMO, where it's a lot of mids and no top or bottom to speak of. I use a Dr. Z Airbrake with that amp now, and I have no complaints against it at all; it lets my amp sound like my amp.

As far as pedals to get Duane's sound, I have no suggestions, as I have yet to find a distortion or OD box that makes me forget I'm not getting distortion from a pedal. I like my Ceriatone 18-watt clone for a good Duane-esque tone at a reasonable volume.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/DrewB68/Milton.jpg

dB
September 6th, 2007, 12:18 AM
That Fillmore East stuff has got to be some of the best rock guitar tones I've ever heard.


Word.


dB

petebradt
September 6th, 2007, 12:30 AM
Does anyone have any recomendations for a small combo amp that gets a good Duane Allman tone (think Fillmore). I've got a Plexi 100w reissue which does the job when I want to play for everyone in the state, but would like something that comes close at a little less volume. I've got a DRRI, a Crate V8, and an Epi Valve Jr. none of which quite get the "vibe" I'm looking for (although they are all great in some way or another). Any recomendations for pedals that could get my amps in the ballpark?

ThanksDimed 5E3

KC
September 6th, 2007, 10:19 AM
I dunno, Pete -- I've got the Lil Dawg with the 14-watt transformer & that thing, when dimed, gets into trouble-with-the-neighbors territory, maybe all the way into a cops-at-the-door situation. It sounds freaking awesome, true. But it's LOUD.

I might try feeding some kind of smallish master-volume amp -- a blues jr would do -- with a compressor. Dial up the preamp distortion where you like it, then use the compressor to simulate the natural compression of a driven tube amp. This probably won't get you all the way there but a little tweaking should get you in the ballpark.

hawkpicker
September 6th, 2007, 10:36 AM
Lots of good tips and advice. Thanks everyone.

I did kind of stumble across a gross approximation of his tone (which will suffice until more funds arrive!) using my Les Paul classic (w/Burstbucker pups) through my Epi Valve Jr. and tube screamer. Close but not quite there yet.