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GuitarJonz
August 19th, 2007, 06:45 PM
There doesn't seem to be alot of info about Roy Nichols out there on the web, or pics, or youtube stuff. He played with Hag for 25 years, and was a telemaster, did he have a certain guitar that he played for a long time, like many other artists? I've seen him with a white one (late 50's maybe). I've seen him with some Les pauls too, later in his career, but what particular teles was he known for, if any?

tdowns
August 19th, 2007, 10:48 PM
Roy had many many guitars. He was probably best know by his white Tele, which I've been told was a 1957 Tele. Here it is on one of the Strangers instrumental albums.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/Roy%20on%20Instrumental%20Album.jpg

He also used it on the "Fightin' Side of Me" album recorded live in Philadelphia. Here is the cropped picture from the album.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/Roy%20on%20Phily%20Album.jpg

One of the coolest things about doing the Roy Nichols video was getting all the mail from folks who are Roy fans, and hearing their stories. My favorite album is the "Fightin' Side of Me" album, and I found someone that attended that show and took pictures. The kind gentleman had slides from that show that he dug them out of his archive and scanned them in and sent them to me. Here is a sample.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/hag_live/roy_53_tele_small.jpg

I've set the archive folder to be viewable for all the Philly pictures here (Valentines Day 1970):
http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/hag_live/ (http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/hag_live/)

I've looked the world over for that guitar. Fender contacted me about doing a Roy Nichols signature guitar, and they wanted to make it like this white Tele. I pestered Roy's wife way too much trying to find it. I was on track to a guy in Canada, but it turned out to be the wrong guitar.

This was his most exposed guitar. I'll continue to post other guitars he played.

tdowns
August 19th, 2007, 10:56 PM
Here is Roy playing a double neck Mosrite in Wynn Stewart's band. Notice Merle playing bass.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/bakersfwynnstewband.jpg

This is the youngest picture I ever found of Roy playing a Tele.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/roy_nichols_tele_young.jpg

Here is another early Tele pic.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/merle_bonnie_roy_copy.jpg

Here is Roy playing a Tele made by Gene Moles on a TV show. This is the pic from the Johnny Isaacs avitar. Notice the engraved nameplate by Gene.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/roytele_gene_moles.jpg

tdowns
August 19th, 2007, 11:04 PM
Here is a Tele he used a lot and was seen on a lot of TV shows back then. For a while Youtube had a video of Hag on the Porter Wagoner Show, which had Roy playing this Tele. This is the early 70s on Austin City Limits.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/Roy_onACL.jpg



Here is a dark Tele with a white guard. This is the only pic I have ever seen of that guitar. The Strangers ages look like mid to late 70s.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/BobbyWayneMerleetc.jpg

I had heard about a black Tele with a tortoise guard, and I finally got a picture of it. This was sent to me by another Roy fan that shot this Polaroid at a live show in NC in 1974.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/roy_nc_1974_sm.jpg

tdowns
August 19th, 2007, 11:11 PM
Roy started playing a Tele Custom in the 80s. This looks like mid 80s.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/roy_w_deluxe1.jpg

Roy got infected with the Les Paul disease much earlier however.
http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/roy-norm_red_les_paul.gif

He wound up playing this Les Paul until he parted ways with Haggard in 1987.

This should be close to 1985 since the Strangers were wearing the same clothes as when we opened for Hag in 1985.
http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/roywlespaul87.jpg

Here is a flame Tele post Haggard days.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/roy_flame_tele.jpg

jlrich
August 19th, 2007, 11:17 PM
Wasn't the Fightin' Side Of Me album recorded in 1970? If Roy's tele is a '57 that thing got a ton of play in 13 years, look at the wear on the neck. The tone of the guitar wasn't real bright, it was a big, full sound. My favorite guitar solo on that album is on "Every Fool Has A Rainbow".

tdowns
August 19th, 2007, 11:19 PM
I've talked with Bobby Wayne quite a bit about Roy and those wild Haggard tours. He said it was next to impossible to nail down the whereabouts of any of those guitars. They were apparently robbed a lot. They would do a show, and then go party somewhere. Whoever was hired to do the equipment moves would steal their equipment too many times.

I also know Roy had a Tuff Dog Tele. Roy's wife told me that was his favorite guitar.

I hope this helps to answer your question.

tdowns
August 19th, 2007, 11:22 PM
Wasn't the Fightin' Side Of Me album recorded in 1970? If Roy's tele is a '57 that thing got a ton of play in 13 years, look at the wear on the neck. The tone of the guitar wasn't real bright, it was a big, full sound. My favorite guitar solo on that album is on "Every Fool Has A Rainbow".

Yes, it was Valentines Day 1970. "Every Fool Has A Rainbow" was absolutely the greatest, including Merle's voice. You can also bet that most of that wear was from practice. Roy lived with a guitar in his hand. He would have people drive for him so he could play guitar in the car.

Mark Davis
August 20th, 2007, 01:51 AM
http://www.marcondo.com/marcondo/guitar/dad88.jpg

http://www.marcondo.com/marcondo/guitar/dad80s.jpg

GuitarJonz
August 20th, 2007, 07:51 AM
Wow! Thanks for all the great info Terry! Interesting about how Roy's guitars all seem to be long gone, probably due to theft. Given that, it is amazing that some guys like Bill Kirchen have held onto their for so long. BTW, what's a "Tuff-Dog Tele"??

stinkymommasboy
August 20th, 2007, 07:57 AM
http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/roy_flame_tele.jpg

that guitar looks like it could be the template for the haggard sig tele

Paul in Colorado
August 20th, 2007, 02:28 PM
Wow! Thanks for all the great info Terry! Interesting about how Roy's guitars all seem to be long gone, probably due to theft. Given that, it is amazing that some guys like Bill Kirchen have held onto their for so long. BTW, what's a "Tuff-Dog Tele"??


It's the Merle Haggard Signature Fender Telecaster.

blue metalflake
August 20th, 2007, 02:42 PM
I had the pleasure of seeing Roy play on his one trip to Ireland in mid '70s, and it was the (or one of the) white Teles.

I read somewhere that he had a Tele with the extra bits of body cut off, so as it was easier to play in the bus. Terry is maybe the only person who can give us the background on that one.

tdowns
August 20th, 2007, 08:59 PM
More on the Tuff Dog (http://www.kellyindustries.com/guitars/fender_telecaster_merle.html)

I read somewhere that he had a Tele with the extra bits of body cut off, so as it was easier to play in the bus. Terry is maybe the only person who can give us the background on that one.

Before too many people gasp about Roy cutting up a Tele, let me tell you that he cut up a Gibson SG. He basically left enough wood to support holding the bridge, pickups and neck. Roy, along with his son Michael, actually restored the cutoff pieces to the guitar in later years. They used dowel rod and glue to put it back together. Michael still has it in his possession.

I wrote the history section part of the tablature book on Roy, but I didn't include anything about his guitars except one. I wish I would have thought about that at the time. Oh well.

JohnnyAtomic
August 21st, 2007, 10:18 AM
It's the Merle Haggard Signature Fender Telecaster.


I'm pretty sure the first tuff dogs weren't made by fender, if I remember correctly they were made in the 80's by jerry jones (yes the dano style guitar guy), and were neck thru construction. I remember an article about them in Guitar Player magazine back then.


Johnny

freddie
August 22nd, 2007, 01:01 PM
Nice to see some love for Roy. I think he was the best lead country guitar player ever. The live 'Okie from Muskogee' lp/cd is my favorite work by him. His playing is riveting on that one. His playing on 'Mama Tried' and on the 'hits' medley bring tears. He's everything and more that a great country player should be.




freddie


p.s.: And how about 'Working Man Blues', now that's way ahead of it's time.

James Lutz
August 22nd, 2007, 02:56 PM
Nice to see some love for Roy. I think he was the best lead country guitar player ever. The live 'Okie from Muskogee' lp/cd is my favorite work by him. His playing is riveting on that one. His playing on 'Mama Tried' and on the 'hits' medley bring tears. He's everything and more that a great country player should be.




freddie


p.s.: And how about 'Working Man Blues', now that's way ahead of it's time.



+1

His solo on No Hard Times Blues from that album is what hooked me on wanting to be a guitar player when I was a kid.

tdowns
August 22nd, 2007, 09:44 PM
Nice to see some love for Roy. I think he was the best lead country guitar player ever. The live 'Okie from Muskogee' lp/cd is my favorite work by him. His playing is riveting on that one. His playing on 'Mama Tried' and on the 'hits' medley bring tears. He's everything and more that a great country player should be.




freddie


p.s.: And how about 'Working Man Blues', now that's way ahead of it's time.

I can't agree more on the Okie album.

Just to set the record straight, James Burton played the original solo on the "Workin' Man Blues" studio recording. I had known that for years, but I didn't find out until after the Roy Nichols video that James actually used a capo in that solo. I was so excited to see how the same notes I tabbed out could be played with open strings utilizing the capo. I never saw Roy play it with a capo. Bonnie Owens said that they used a glass ashtray being struck by a screwdriver shaft for the railroad spike sound in the studio...reverb added of course.

It turns out that Roy's last recording session before his death was for a guy that was recording Haggard cover tunes. Roy's wife gave me the analog tape of that session. Here is the solo.

Roy Nichols Last Recording Session - Workin' Man Blues Solo (http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/WorkinMan_LastSession.mp3)

tdowns
August 22nd, 2007, 09:46 PM
+1

His solo on No Hard Times Blues from that album is what hooked me on wanting to be a guitar player when I was a kid.

Yes, that is a piece of work alright. It took me forever to figure that out.

rockycreeker
August 22nd, 2007, 09:53 PM
In his later years Roy played a Peavey T-60 as well. I emailed Roy about 8 or so years ago and asked him and he acknowledged that he did play a Peavey for a spell because the Peavey endorsement deal they had. He did say it was a good guitar too. I know that may not go over with some of the Tele purists here, but that's what he told me.

tdowns
August 22nd, 2007, 11:41 PM
In his later years Roy played a Peavey T-60 as well. I emailed Roy about 8 or so years ago and asked him and he acknowledged that he did play a Peavey for a spell because the Peavey endorsement deal they had. He did say it was a good guitar too. I know that may not go over with some of the Tele purists here, but that's what he told me.

Geez, I forgot about the T-60. I don't have a picture of him playing a T-60. Thanks for posting!!

Johnny Isaacs
August 23rd, 2007, 02:25 AM
Actually I have a pic of Roy with his Peavey and Nancy Reagan!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/122891/royandnancyPeavey.jpg

Johnny Isaacs

Mark Davis
August 23rd, 2007, 03:05 AM
All the stories I heard about Roy when I first moved to Bakersfield was that he was the best player in the California Valley.

So one night we were in this really bad dive Tex's Barrell House.

Roy came in and the guitar player that was doing the gig was left handed.

Roy had a few drinks then got up after the break and just took that left handed guitar upside down and played it. It was all backwards thin strings on top but Roy played it good the crowd went nuts.

My Friend Eugene Moles Genes son got some lessons from Roy when he first started showing signs of being real good. He sure learned fast cause he quickly passed me up LOL.

Telemarkman
August 23rd, 2007, 04:07 AM
In the 60's I was a hippie, and though I played a Telecaster, I "hated" country music. In the early 70's I met up with this great rock'n roll/country singer who introduced me to artists like Waylon & Willie, Merle, Johnny Cash and George Jones. I discoverd guitarists like Reggie Young, Roy Nichols and Luther Perkins - James Burton I already knew through Ricky Nelson and Elvis.

When me and this singer (he also played guitar and steel) started playing together, we played a lot of Waylon, Merle and Johnny Cash stuff, and I had to try and copy the solos of the before mentioned gentlemen. (TRY is the word :oops:...Luther was the easiest one to copy though :wink: ).

So you could easily say Roy Nichols was one of my earliest country picking heroes. I never learned to play country very well though - didn't have the patience to practice enough - wish I had..........:sad:

I still have my Strangers' instrumental album on vinyl.

I love all those great pictures you guys have put in this thread - most of them I had not seen before - thank you !

JohnnyAtomic
August 23rd, 2007, 09:21 AM
Bonnie Owens said that they used a glass ashtray being struck by a screwdriver shaft for the railroad spike sound in the studio...reverb added of course.

Does that railroad spike sound have a tempo that is related to the song at all? Is the meter all weird or what?????

tdowns
August 23rd, 2007, 09:51 AM
Does that railroad spike sound have a tempo that is related to the song at all? Is the meter all weird or what?????

Yes it does have a meter. It comes in the first time on the 4th beat, and repeats every 8 beats thereafter. Since the verses are 12 bars total, the 8 beat spacing trips up the mind a little. Just count the beats and it works.

Ahhh..Johnny Isaacs. I forgot about the Nancy pic. Thanks for sharing. I never associated that pic with the Peavey T-60.

Telemarkman, I'm glad you came around to Roy!!!

Mark Davis, that is a great story. It sounds like something Roy would do. I've heard that Tex's Barrell House was a wild place.

Fret Wilkes
August 23rd, 2007, 10:37 AM
Killer thread!

THANKS!!!!

JohnnyAtomic
August 23rd, 2007, 12:01 PM
Yes it does have a meter. It comes in the first time on the 4th beat, and repeats every 8 beats thereafter. Since the verses are 12 bars total, the 8 beat spacing trips up the mind a little. Just count the beats and it works.

Thanks Terry, that timing has always messed with my little pea brain.

I just always assumed they tracked it not even listening to the track, with no regard to meter.


Johnny

blue metalflake
August 23rd, 2007, 04:03 PM
It turns out that Roy's last recording session before his death was for a guy that was recording Haggard cover tunes. Roy's wife gave me the analog tape of that session. Here is the solo.

Roy Nichols Last Recording Session - Workin' Man Blues Solo (http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/WorkinMan_LastSession.mp3)

Just had a listen to this - time to throw the guitars in the bin!

He sounds better than ever. What a loss.

jlrich
August 23rd, 2007, 04:16 PM
Since we're kinda on the subject I have a question. When most people play Working Man Blues and go from the 5 chord to the 4 chord, most never play that little "riff" like the studio version. Is there one or several reasons outside of inability? The original version was done in Ab, I think, and as Terry mentioned JB used a capo. Also while the guitar is doing its thing the bass or another guitar is doing something else along with the guitar. Is it due to the capo, the 2nd instrument, or a combination of both?

moo55
August 23rd, 2007, 08:36 PM
It was about 1970, and I was passing by a buddy's room in a rooming house we all lived in. He had the only TV in the bldg. Merle was on doing something ( I can't remember, and I had never heard of Merle) I was in an original "rock band" at the time). The band was on it's way out and so was I. ( Pretty wasted is more like it.) Anyway as I walked pass the room with the TV on I was stopped dead in my tracks! I heard a guitar solo that totally flipped me out. This was of course Roy Nichols! This was the moment that changed my entire life!
I would not even be here on this forum if not for that moment. 'nuff said
With great respect
moo

tdowns
August 23rd, 2007, 10:51 PM
Since we're kinda on the subject I have a question. When most people play Working Man Blues and go from the 5 chord to the 4 chord, most never play that little "riff" like the studio version. Is there one or several reasons outside of inability? The original version was done in Ab, I think, and as Terry mentioned JB used a capo. Also while the guitar is doing its thing the bass or another guitar is doing something else along with the guitar. Is it due to the capo, the 2nd instrument, or a combination of both?

If you don't use a capo, that lick is quite acrobatic. It's on the Roy Nichols video in the key of A. It is demoed and tabbed in A. SInce I discovered the capo trick, I demoed it using the capo in the "Honky Tonk Essentials" video. Since I have no way of tabbing a capoed guitar, I just did a demo. It is the exact same notes as tabbed on he Roy video (transposed to G#). It just takes big-time advantage of open strings. Where it really comes alive is on the fills. I hope that helps.

tdowns
August 23rd, 2007, 10:53 PM
It was about 1970, and I was passing by a buddy's room in a rooming house we all lived in. He had the only TV in the bldg. Merle was on doing something ( I can't remember, and I had never heard of Merle) I was in an original "rock band" at the time). The band was on it's way out and so was I. ( Pretty wasted is more like it.) Anyway as I walked pass the room with the TV on I was stopped dead in my tracks! I heard a guitar solo that totally flipped me out. This was of course Roy Nichols! This was the moment that changed my entire life!
I would not even be here on this forum if not for that moment. 'nuff said
With great respect
moo

You are not alone. I've heard a lot of stories like that.

Apparently Lynyrd Skynyrd was impressed by Roy too.

MandyMarie
August 23rd, 2007, 11:13 PM
I seriously, seriously, seriously heart this thread. Thanks for the photos too - there's a few of them I'd never even seen before, thanks so much guys!

tdowns
August 23rd, 2007, 11:47 PM
I seriously, seriously, seriously heart this thread. Thanks for the photos too - there's a few of them I'd never even seen before, thanks so much guys!



NOOOOOOO...Mandy. Thank YOU for being YOU!!

oltimeyrider
August 24th, 2007, 11:59 AM
To Terry and all others who posted pics in this thread...

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This was one of the most entertaining and engaging threads I've ever read!

All this time I thought Roy's classic white Tele was just that - white. I never realized it was blonde.


Thanks again!!!!

jlrich
August 24th, 2007, 12:26 PM
I'd really like to have a WHITE (not blonde, olympic white, etc.), bone white tele with a tortoise pickguard. Maybe one day.

MandyMarie
August 24th, 2007, 05:42 PM
I think this is my favorite thread in TDPRI history - Terry, tell some stories and don't let it fade! :oops:

Do you remember the first time you HEARD Roy (as a kid?)...if so, what was it and is he the guy that made you WANT to play in the first place? You know that feelin' where if you just dont' learn how to do that you're gonna go crazy? :grin:

kaibu49
August 25th, 2007, 11:27 AM
When I got Terry's Roy DVD I went straight to Honky Tonk Nighttime Man and that is probably all I played when I practiced for months. It remains one of the solos I enjoy to play most.
Of course by now I play it with my own lousy stylings :roll:
Roy was the man.

tdowns
August 25th, 2007, 03:30 PM
I think this is my favorite thread in TDPRI history - Terry, tell some stories and don't let it fade! :oops:

Do you remember the first time you HEARD Roy (as a kid?)...if so, what was it and is he the guy that made you WANT to play in the first place? You know that feelin' where if you just dont' learn how to do that you're gonna go crazy? :grin:

Well, thanks Mandy for the kind words. No, I don't remember the first time I identified Roy. I had toy guitars in my hands since I was 6 months old, and got my first small scale acoustic when I was 5 years old. My dad had an acoustic guitar and knew the 7 basic chords. Also, being around lots of uncles and other relatives that were bluegrass players stirred my interest in music. There was a lot of bluegrass where I came from. I was born and raised so far back in the mountains of North Carolina that we didn't get the Grand Ole Opry until Tuesday. :lol:

Sometime later my folks got some Haggard 45RPM singles records that I played over and over. They included "Swinging Doors", "The Bottle Let Me Down", and "I Threw Away the Rose". One of my Dad's best friends and co-workers was a guitarist and luthier. He was my biggest influence. He showed me some stuff on guitar, but I never had a formal or other "lessons". I'm fairly sure he was the one that made the connection to Roy. I know we talked about Roy in great detail later.

My parents got tickets to a Haggard show in 1969. I'll never forget it. Roy was smiling and cutting up. I think seeing him live was THE turning point for me. The Osborne Brothers opened that show, and I remember Sonny breaking a string on his banjo playing an intro. He reached in his jacket pocket for a replacement string. He had it back on, and in tune, before the song was over.

My dad came home with "The Fightin' Side of Me" album when it came out in 1970. That was a major influence on me. I was playing in a band at that time. I would go over to the bass player's house where I got to hear the "Swinging Doors" and "Fugitive". I went crazy over that, but I didn't know at the time that guitar work was actually James Burton and Phil Baugh.

I remember when "Workin' Man Blues" came out. I think every guitar player in the area was trying to copy that one.

I went to another Haggard show around 1973. Tiny Moore was along with Roy. "Everybody's Had the Blues" was his current hit. Again I saw Roy and Tiny funnin' around on stage. As soon as the show was over, I dashed toward the back to meet Roy. I met Roy and Norm. What a thrill. Part of the crowd was exiting out some doors nearby. Norm Hamlet looked over at those doors and took off running. A few yards away was an elderly woman in a wheelchair, of which a friend was trying to get her out the door. That door had a hydraulic closer and was apparently hard to open. Norm had ran over to hold the door open for this lady and whoever was pushing the wheel chair.
I remember the elderly lady thanking Norm and saying that him and the band did a great job. He smiled and said "Thank you mam". Norm is still today a true gentleman. Roy was gone at that point.

More later.

Telemarkman
August 25th, 2007, 04:27 PM
More later.

I'm waiting ! :wink:

tdowns
August 25th, 2007, 05:25 PM
I worked with a North Texas Artist for about 8 years. From about 1985 to 1991 we opened for dozens of C&W name acts. I have a lot of good and not-so-good memories from meeting all those artists and musicians. In 1987, we opened for Haggard, and I got to see Roy again. It was at the Hopkins County Civic Center in Sulphur Springs Texas. I got to meet all the Strangers and hang out. Roy wasn't very comfortable with the praise I laid on him, but he was indeed a gentleman. Cecelia Lord was running the sound check, and she ran it like a Army Sargent. After getting the monitors set, we played a couple songs to get the house mix tuned in. I looked out front there was Roy walking toward the stage, watching me play. Well, you couldn't have drove a pin up my butt with a jackhammer at that point. I had never had a feeling like that before. I just went into meltdown. It probably didn't look or sound as bad as it felt, but our bass player thought it was funny.

A sound engineer that worked with us quite a bit, scored a gig on the Texas rodeo in Dallas a couple years later. He was responsible for running the monitors for whoever opened for Hag. I went as his "assistant". I walked to a side-stage room, and there was Roy and Merle sitting there talking. I went over and hung out for a while. One of the recollections from that day was the food. You would think an artist of Hag's caliber at that time would have a somewhat lavish, if not decent rider for food. Turns out, they brought in McDonalds. I saw Norm and Roy eat a quarter pounder and fries. Not that there is anything wrong with McDonald's, it just surprised me. The difference in the lineup of the Strangers was the addition of Clint Strong. I got to meet Clint and his parents, who got special side-stage seats to watch their son play.

At both gigs, Norm and Roy played through Peavey Session 500 amplifiers. They were rolled in on a flight case with the top off. Clint played his Les Paul through a Yamaha rack mount preamp. Clint has some good road stories.

Telemarkman
August 25th, 2007, 05:37 PM
Lucky you Terry !

I would've loved to meet those people, especially Hag and Roy......:cool:

I don't mind some more stories though :smile:

James Lutz
August 25th, 2007, 08:28 PM
The first time I saw Hag and The Strangers was sometime in the late 60's early 70's. It was a show at a local county fair up in Wisconsin where I lived then. The show was to be outdoors on a stage in the middle of a racetrack. The weather was predicting rain, so at the last minute an announcement was made that the Haggard Show would be at the High School Gym. So everybody there, lots and lots of folks, all headed for their cars and to the school. We got let into the gym, and we were shown where the folding chairs were on those carts, and everyone pretty much had to set up their own chairs! It was pretty impromptu. Hag had Norm and Roy and just got a piano player, and bass and drums and Bonnie. Minnie Pearl opened. It was all pure 60's Hag hits. Roy played a white Tele, he and Norm sat, Hag was young and great, the show was great. People in the audience would yell out a song, Hag would do it. He would say, "Ok, we can do it that way if you'd like." So it was request night for awhile. During one of the big hits, it was either Bottle or Swingin
Doors, Norm popped a string during his fill. Roy picked the note right up and took it over. Norm changed the string during the song and it was like nothing happened. I was just a teenager then, and I remember it like it was yesterday. Talk about your formative years.

MandyMarie
August 26th, 2007, 05:07 AM
Man, I can't even tell you how much I enjoyed that Terry! PLEASE keep 'em coming when you have the time...PLEASE!

Wanna hear my really embarrassing Roy Nichols story? :oops:

I started listening to Roy when I first started playing guitar and, I swear it, he was just it for me. I mean it! (actually here's a link to an interview I did recently with our local music zine and I mention Roy being a HERO to me : http://nuvo.net/articles/alternative_routes/ - I'm at the bottom)

Well, I literally just loved that guy like I love breathing air but for some strange reason, and this is embarrassing to admit now, I didn't realize that TIME KEPT MOVING. Hahaha, when I was listening to a record from 1967 in 1995, I didn't completely "realize" that it was almost thirty years old and that times might have changed and people might have aged...

...well, the first time I seen Merle Haggard I was fifteen-years-old and I literally snuck into a bar they were playing in Collinsville, Illinois. I had a friend who was old enough to drive make the almost 130 mile pilgramage from my little no where hometown to this big city...they had no interest in going to the show so they waited outside for me...I had to literally sneak in...I had to lie to my parents about where I was going and what I was doing...it was a big ordeal hahaha and it was ALL to see Roy. Roy was the king to me and a huge part of, if not the, reason I was working so hard to learn to bend strings on a Telecaster!

Well...it was 1996 and I had no idea that Roy had had a stroke. To be honest, it still hadn't even occured to me that a day had gone by since the recording of all my favorite Haggard albums...

So...Clint Strong takes the stage and I'm still kinda anxiously awaiting Roy. The band starts. Nothin'. No Roy. I'm still anxious though and waitin' for him! Not long after Merle made a quick little mention about Roy having the stroke.

And I balled like a baby. :oops:

Right there in front of a room full of complete strangers who were mostly easily twenty years older than I was. Nobody ever noticed either haha...it was just the worst feeling ever because I realized not only was Roy not going to be there that night ...but I'd probably never get the chance to see him play in real life.

How embarrassing is THAT?! Hahahaha!

Johnny Isaacs
August 26th, 2007, 01:10 PM
My first time meeting Roy was at the Continental Club when he got up to play with Redd.....

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/122891/ReddRoyCC.jpg


Seriously though, I never got to see Roy live either but his playing has been so inspirational to me (even though I can't play his stuff very good!). For some tasty Roy, take a listen to his recording of Makin' Believe with Merle from around 1971. Wow!

Johnny Isaacs

tdowns
August 26th, 2007, 03:09 PM
How embarrassing is THAT?! Hahahaha!


Wow, that is an amazing story Mandy. It's not as embarrassing as folks walking up to Roy and complimenting him on his solo on "Swinging Doors" that was actually Phil Baugh, or "That's the Way Love Goes" actually played by Reggie Young.

There's a common thread here. Folks associated Roy with Merle almost as much as with Don and Buck.

Here's another funny story. Clint Strong stayed with Roy for a while to attempt "assimilating" Roy's licks and styles. The first day Clint stayed there they were getting ready to jam. Roy kept yelling for his wife. She was outside, I think planting flowers or something like that. Roy kept yelling for her to come in. Finally she came in, and Roy told her "Plug in my amplifier over there"!!

Nice PhotoShop work you did there Johnny. I'll never forget when you sent that to me and I saw it for the first time. What a combo that would be.

tdowns
August 27th, 2007, 12:05 AM
I this post would be a bit more complete with a video I put out on YouTube a while back.

Li_Kpk_DDoE

oltimeyrider
August 27th, 2007, 04:25 AM
Please don't stop this thread!

Mandy - Great post.

Terry - Keep the stories coming!

I swear this is the best thread I've ever read. I really feel like this interrnet thing is finally paying off!:wink:

Thanks to all who posted their stories. Really!

sirkev
August 27th, 2007, 10:56 PM
What an awesome thread...Roy is my #1 influence..I got to see Roy probably 5 or 6 times, got to visit a couple of times at concerts. The first time in Dallas he had a white tele, I always figured in my mind it was the Philly one. I'd heard the Strangers play "Always Loving You" and I rushed out and bought a Gibson. Not a Gibson guitar, a guitar FROM Gibson's...I think $15 new. If it wasn't for Roy, who knows what pastime I'd be into...thanks for the 30+ years of challenges and enjoyment.

tdowns
August 29th, 2007, 01:30 AM
sirkev,
Great post. I remember Gibson's stores here in the metroplex.

OK, here's another Roy story.


At some point it the 70s, Dolly Parton & Merle began doing shows together. There's all sorts of stories about Merle and Dolly, but I won't go there. So, Roy is always a gentleman. At least most all the time. One of the first times Dolly came onto Merle's bus, Roy asked Dolly if she was ill? She said "No, why do you ask?". Roy said, "because of that swelling in your chest". Dolly retorted "Wouldn't your mama be proud of you".

boris bubbanov
August 29th, 2007, 01:56 AM
These are the diamonds that make up for so much of the dreck we all have to cope with on the internet.

Thank you all for your stories.


Bubbanov

Redd Volkaert
August 29th, 2007, 12:00 PM
Thank you Terry;
What a fantastic thread!!

Roy was my #1 hero as a kid as well. I saw them on TV but not live til' 76' with Tiny & Eldon and the big band.

But I was such a Roy homo as boy, I drew pictures of the Tele on that "Live in Phili" album, all over my school books, set for hours frustrated cause I couldn't figure out the licks and glaring at all my album covers & pictures of him trying to get him to tell me how to play. I HAD to have a white Tele,with a black guard. I got a white Esquire, close . . . been obsessed eversince

He's why I try to play a Telecaster no doubt! Anywho, hearing these wonderful stories of how a guitar player can change a kids life is absoloutley amazing, and I just wanna say he changed my life too! I still can't play like him,

yet.

Redd Volkaert

rockycreeker
August 29th, 2007, 01:02 PM
This has to be one of the best threads I've read here. Thanks to all you folks who have first hand Roy knowledge for contributing. It's also a thrill to hear from some of my current guitar heroes (Thanks Redd). :smile:

A good friend of mine grew up listening to Merle and as a 13 year old kid he went to see Merle live. He walked up to the stage after the show was over, and of course Merle had left the stage. Roy was still onstage - putting his gear away, and my friend, who was still very naive about guitars asked Roy "What kind of guitar is that you're playing? " and he said Roy said in a very kind reply - "it's a Fender Telecaster" Then my friend asked Roy to sign to sign his program and he said Roy's reply was "Why do you want MY signature? I'm just the guitar player", but he of course signed my friends program and my friend still cherishes that little memento from a great but humble musician who took up a little time with a 13 year old kid.

Gene Moles
August 29th, 2007, 07:45 PM
Back in the 70's Roy came over my dads shop and played my Ibanez Artist Les Paul shaped guitar. Roy noticed I had installed a Dan Armstrong Blue Clipper in it. He had me wire one into his Les Paul. I forgot to tell him about the battery inside. I believe he used it on " Big Wheels Rollin' " with a fairly dead battery. Mark is right. He lived not far from me. I went to his house a few times and learned all I could. When I was 15. I heard the Strangers were playing at the Barrell House, Merle's doing. I snuck out of the house and rode my Honda 90 to the side door. Waited for someone to walk out. Walked up to the side of the bandstand and Roy asked me to set in. I played for a couple hours and asked Don Markham "where's Roy? Said "he went home a long time ago". You'll have to play the rest of the night. My parents never found out.

tdowns
August 29th, 2007, 08:22 PM
Folks have been commenting about this being a good thread. Well look at it now! Redd Volkaert and Gene Moles appears and comments. That's like icing on a cake. Thanks guys. And, yes, I love you too Redd (hugs).

Come on, I know you guys can tell some more stories.

rockycreeker,
That's a great story!! Is there any way you can get your friend to scan in that program with the Roy signature on it, so we can see it here?

Gene Moles
August 29th, 2007, 09:17 PM
Hello Terry, When I was about 17, I was working at the Blackboard Club in Bakersfield one night. About 1975. I told on my age. Someone came up to the bandstand and said Roy is in the poker room. I had to try and play my best knowing that. When your young, sometimes you over play. Over an E I would would have some lick worked out e.t.c. Roy called them impression licks one time. He said he didn't know any impression licks. Anyway, later that night Roy came up to the tall bandstand and said " hello Gene". Man, you've got alot of licks. I said "thanks". He then said " but none of them are connecting". That actually made sense to me later. My dad, told me to try and play the melody when it's time to play the solo when I was younger. He was right . At that time it was easier to improvise than to be able to play the melody.

rockycreeker
August 29th, 2007, 10:09 PM
I know my friend has it, but putting his hands on it may take some time. I'll see what I can do. He also mentioned that in signing the program, Roy accidentally spilled some Coke on the program (I think it was Coke and something stronger in his cup), but that stain is probably still on there too. I see if he can find it.

tdowns
August 29th, 2007, 10:57 PM
Thanks Gene for another great story!! That is awesome. Thinking about "connected" solo lines reminds me of Roy's solo in "No Hard Time Blues".

rockycreeker,
A little Bourbon and Coke maybe? Coolness. I hope he can find it.

I'll add another picture.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/123.jpg

Roy has his back to the photographer, playing a Tele. Can any of you name the other folks in the picture (Come on Gene, give others a chance)? This was a recording session from Merle's tribute to Bob Wills.

Redd Volkaert
August 29th, 2007, 11:32 PM
the left with Lewis Tally?
Redd

FredDairy
August 29th, 2007, 11:36 PM
Thanks Gene for another great story!! That is awesome. Thinking about "connected" solo lines reminds me of Roy's solo in "No Hard Time Blues".

rockycreeker,
A little Bourbon and Coke maybe? Coolness. I hope he can find it.

I'll add another picture.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/123.jpg

Roy has his back to the photographer, playing a Tele. Can any of you name the other folks in the picture (Come on Gene, give others a chance)? This was a recording session from Merle's tribute to Bob Wills.

What studio is that?

tonewoods
August 29th, 2007, 11:41 PM
Well, Eldon Shamblin on his Strat....

Tiny Moore talkin' to Roy??

spankdplank
August 30th, 2007, 12:02 AM
Johnny Gimble holding a fiddle and pointing the bow in his right hand???

Mark Davis
August 30th, 2007, 12:17 AM
Back in the 70's Roy came over my dads shop and played my Ibanez Artist Les Paul shaped guitar. Roy noticed I had installed a Dan Armstrong Blue Clipper in it. He had me wire one into his Les Paul. I forgot to tell him about the battery inside. I believe he used it on " Big Wheels Rollin' " with a fairly dead battery. Mark is right. He lived not far from me. I went to his house a few times and learned all I could. When I was 15. I heard the Strangers were playing at the Barrell House, Merle's doing. I snuck out of the house and rode my Honda 90 to the side door. Waited for someone to walk out. Walked up to the side of the bandstand and Roy asked me to set in. I played for a couple hours and asked Don Markham "where's Roy? Said "he went home a long time ago". You'll have to play the rest of the night. My parents never found out.

Good one Eugene! (Gene)

I remember we snuck Eugene into clubs here when he was real young 16 maybe? I remember that Ibanez LP thats what you had when I first met you 33 years ago. Ah the good old days.

Johnny Isaacs
August 30th, 2007, 12:45 AM
The greatest band ever:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/122891/strangers.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/122891/mailedD3.jpg

Great pic of Merle and Roy
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/122891/hagroy.jpg

From the original Tele bible
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/122891/RoyTeleBible1.jpg

Johnny Isaacs

Johnny Isaacs
August 30th, 2007, 12:46 AM
Some early Roy pics...
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/122891/roy5.jpg

With Bill Woods
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/122891/BillWoodsBWp304.jpg

Johnny Isaacs

tdowns
August 30th, 2007, 01:13 AM
the left with Lewis Tally?
Redd

Well yes you may, and you are so correct, my friend Mr. V


OK, here comes Johnny I, the walking compendium of country music!!!

Johnny Isaacs
August 30th, 2007, 01:30 AM
now now Mr. Downs... what can I say? I've got "Nichols" poisoning like the rest of us!

I regret that I never got to see Roy live. You, Redd, Gene - you guys can actually play Roy's stuff - the rest of us are speck-tators and bystanders!

Johnny Isaacs

Mark Davis
August 30th, 2007, 01:31 AM
the left with Lewis Tally?
Redd


Lewis Tally gets my vote for best band name ever when he named his band The Tally Whackers. LOL

More info here.

http://www.kcmuseum.org/stories/storyReader$443

You will have to paste that link into your browser address area.

All part of the Bakersfield sound.

ron jeffreys
August 30th, 2007, 02:04 AM
Left to right,Norm Hamlet,?,Hag,middle Roy,Tiny Moore,Eldon,far right,?,Johnny Gimble,Lewis Talley.Who are the other two??

KYTelewhacker
August 30th, 2007, 08:20 AM
Terry here's the dark Tele you mentioned. it looks Blue to me.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=z2h-BSUnHgA&mode=related&search=

dibber124
August 30th, 2007, 08:40 AM
Terry:Bit late in the thread but thanks once again for all the info on Roy Nichols and the pics.
It was a greatest hits album " Merle Haggard: Close Up" That I first heard that clear crisp Telecaster sound. It was "fugitive" that got me into Bakersfield style country music. Only found out it was James Burton years later. Both of my main guitar idols on one album!. Really important for a kid growing up in NooYawk.
Once again, thanks to Terry and all TDPRI members who contributed to this thread.

Gene Moles
August 30th, 2007, 03:47 PM
I'm going to guess on the far right could be Joe Holly. And George French. Hey Mark, You were the one that took me to Nadine's Rare Guitars in LA when I bought my 58' Tele. Stanley Clark was walking across the sidewalk.I still have it. The pickup went dead. Need another pickup. Peavey gave me a Jerry Donahue guitar. Bridge pickup sounds good. I have some Roy picks that have teeth marks on them . When I played with Merle, I noticed their picks had teeth marks. Either a nervous habit or it gave a better grip.

Mark Davis
August 30th, 2007, 04:27 PM
I'm going to guess on the far right could be Joe Holly. And George French. Hey Mark, You were the one that took me to Nadine's Rare Guitars in LA when I bought my 58' Tele. Stanley Clark was walking across the sidewalk.I still have it. The pickup went dead. Need another pickup. Peavey gave me a Jerry Donahue guitar. Bridge pickup sounds good. I have some Roy picks that have teeth marks on them . When I played with Merle, I noticed their picks had teeth marks. Either a nervous habit or it gave a better grip.

Ya I remember that trip we went in your Brown El Camino.

I have a bunch of Merle picks somewhere around here a whole bag of them!

JohnnyAtomic
August 30th, 2007, 04:35 PM
Ya I remember that trip we went in your Brown El Camino.

I have a bunch of Merle picks somewhere around here a whole bag of them!

I had a brown el camino, and a green one too :oops:

but wish i had a bag of Merle Haggard picks!

oltimeyrider
August 30th, 2007, 04:59 PM
I hadn't looked at this thread for a day or two. I logged in here thinking it might have died.

How thrilled I was to see it GOT EVEN BETTER!!!!!!!!:grin:

Terry - thanks again!!!!

Redd and Gene - THANKS!!!!!

AWESOME THREAD.

James Lutz
August 30th, 2007, 05:15 PM
The left handed fiddle player is Joe Holley.

I agree with Johnny, that lineup in his shot with Dennis Hromek on bass and Bobby Wayne and Biff and Norm and Roy was my favorite lineup hands down. I look at them boys and want to hear Stealin' Corn or Biff Bam Boom or hear Bobby belt out Repeat Performance. They's country, them'air fellers.

olewichita
August 30th, 2007, 08:48 PM
first off, gene great to see you here... you've been and still are an inspiration to many of us... even though these are a little off topic i'm wondering if either of you can shed some light on these two questions... did roy buchanan give merle a blackguard and if so, is it the one pictured on the big city album... also has either of you ever seen the blackguard merle supposedly has with a bigsby pickup in the neck position and is it this one... great thread guitarjonz et al... that's why i keep checking in...no doubt roy is the man... his version of working man blues on the muskogee album stands as one of the best sounding tele solos ever recorded... thanks,

tj

olewichita
August 30th, 2007, 08:53 PM
the dark tele looks like the tele roy is playing on the roy buchanan PBS special... i asked james burton about the railroad "pling" on workin' man blues and he said it was a behind the nut "pling" on a tele tuned to pitch... tj

Gene Moles
August 30th, 2007, 09:09 PM
Hello, I know the tele. My dad installed that Charlie Christian pickup. I Believe Danny had gave the tele to Roy. Because there is a gold inscribed plate that states that. I need to go back and look at your pics. There is still a Charlie pickup in my dads stock of parts he left after he passed away.

tdowns
August 30th, 2007, 11:21 PM
..... When I played with Merle, I noticed their picks had teeth marks. Either a nervous habit or it gave a better grip.

YES! Roy gave me a handfull of picks at the gig (even after he heard me play), but they were HAG AND THE STRANGERS picks. I found out they were just promo picks. I went to scan one in tonight but my scanner died.

When I visited Roy's wife after the release of the video, she gave me this:
http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/Roy's_pick.jpg

....a pick personally chewed on by Roy. She told me how Roy was always paranoid about the pick slipping out of his fingers. He used a standard paper hole punch and punched out a hole in it, so his fingers would touch together through the hole. He also chewed on the pick to make it rough.

I never quite figured out the grooves on the edge. It looks like what a rocker does when they scrap the edge of the pick up and down the strings. Maybe Roy liked to do that.

I still have such fond memories of her reaching into her purse to retrieve a folded up paper napkin. She unwrapped it and gave me the pick.

Johnny Isaacs
August 30th, 2007, 11:33 PM
Hello, I know the tele. My dad installed that Charlie Christian pickup. I Believe Danny had gave the tele to Roy. Because there is a gold inscribed plate that states that. I need to go back and look at your pics. There is still a Charlie pickup in my dads stock of parts he left after he passed away.

Hey Gene... the Tele that Danny gave Roy is my avatar pic under my name. On page one is a close-up of it under Terry's post.

Johnny Isaacs

tdowns
August 31st, 2007, 12:03 AM
Hey Gene... the Tele that Danny gave Roy is my avatar pic under my name. On page one is a close-up of it under Terry's post.

Johnny Isaacs

Yes Johnny, I was about to post the same thing.


By the way, I got my scanner working, so here is one of the Hag picks Roy gave me.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/hag_strangers_pick.jpg

Mark Davis
August 31st, 2007, 02:21 AM
first off, gene great to see you here... you've been and still are an inspiration to many of us... even though these are a little off topic i'm wondering if either of you can shed some light on these two questions... did roy buchanan give merle a blackguard and if so, is it the one pictured on the big city album... also has either of you ever seen the blackguard merle supposedly has with a bigsby pickup in the neck position and is it this one... great thread guitarjonz et al... that's why i keep checking in...no doubt roy is the man... his version of working man blues on the muskogee album stands as one of the best sounding tele solos ever recorded... thanks,

tj

Wayne Durham bass player for Merle in the late 70's brought over a Blackguard of Merles that was given to him by Roy Buchanan. It was totally stock. I put on a set of 52-10's Merle wanted that size and installed a neck shim and set it all up took it all apart. Its still the best Tele Ive ever played.

Merle used it on the 1978 ACL show. I think it was a Nocaster but I might be wrong if you find any pics of the 78 ACL show thats it. It sounded so good thru my BF Super Reverb.

Mark Davis
August 31st, 2007, 03:10 AM
http://www.pbs.org/klru/austin/photos/acl1069189286a.jpg

Found a pic this is the one I worked on. Its the best sounding Tele I ever played.

Gene Moles
August 31st, 2007, 12:59 PM
At my dads shop. Merle and Roy paid him a surprise visit and did some pickin.Hope this picture made it up here.

oltimeyrider
August 31st, 2007, 03:52 PM
Great pic Gene.

Terry, that pick with the teeth marks is too cool for words. What a souvenir!

Checking in with this thread has become the cernterpiece of my day!

Don't stop now guys!

Gene Moles
August 31st, 2007, 04:06 PM
My dad Gene Moles and Roy at home. If this other pic made it, it's my dad and Merle at his house by the Kern Canyon.

Telemarkman
August 31st, 2007, 05:05 PM
You guys have some absolutely amazing stories - I just love them.

a Blackguard of Merles that was given to him by Roy Buchanan.

Roy obviously had a habit of giving out Teles to people he liked....... in addition to his other habits. I know Roy had his '53 "Nancy", a '54 and a '55 Tele, but of course he could've had a Nocaster too.

FredDairy
August 31st, 2007, 05:36 PM
Echoing what Telemarkman is saying. This thread is a lot of fun to look through at work, and is one I'd even take time outta my "home life" to read through!

Mark Davis
August 31st, 2007, 06:08 PM
You guys have some absolutely amazing stories - I just love them.



Roy obviously had a habit of giving out Teles to people he liked....... in addition to his other habits. I know Roy had his '53 "Nancy", a '54 and a '55 Tele, but of course he could've had a Nocaster too.

The biggest differenmce between 2007 and 1970's is these Teles werent expensive at all. We didnt even use the words Nocaster or Blackguard they were just old Teles. Roy Buchanan probably didnt pay anymore than $100-300 for any of his Teles.

Telemarkman
August 31st, 2007, 06:26 PM
The biggest differenmce between 2007 and 1970's is these Teles werent expensive at all. We didnt even use the words Nocaster or Blackguard they were just old Teles. Roy Buchanan probably didnt pay anymore than $100-300 for any of his Teles.

That is very true Mark. Personally I always wanted a Tele, but I know folks that bought Teles because they couldn't afford a Strat or a Jag.

If they couldn't afford a Tele, they bought an Esquire or a Mustang. At least they did in my parts of the country........

tdowns
August 31st, 2007, 09:56 PM
I this post would be a bit more complete with a video I put out on YouTube a while back.

Li_Kpk_DDoE

Mark,
That ACL show is the same one I put on Youtube here. The clip doesn't show Hag, but it's the same one. Man, that is a clear photo of that show. Where did you get that?

TD

tdowns
August 31st, 2007, 09:58 PM
At my dads shop. Merle and Roy paid him a surprise visit and did some pickin.Hope this picture made it up here.

Gene, that is simply awesome!! Your dad with Roy. Look at Roy's plaid pants!!!

So I must assume you dad was playing one of his guitar creations in that pic????

Mark Davis
August 31st, 2007, 11:14 PM
Mark,
That ACL show is the same one I put on Youtube here. The clip doesn't show Hag, but it's the same one. Man, that is a clear photo of that show. Where did you get that?

TD

I got that pic from the PBS site. There is info there about all the ACL shows.

tdowns
September 1st, 2007, 12:12 AM
I got that pic from the PBS site. There is info there about all the ACL shows.

I have a portion of that show on VHS from a "Haggard Retrospective", which includes pieces from several Hag's shows. I wish I had the video from that 1978 show alone!!! I think I will try to contact PBS about that.

Thanks Mark.

tdowns
September 1st, 2007, 12:15 AM
Great pic Gene.

Terry, that pick with the teeth marks is too cool for words. What a souvenir!

Checking in with this thread has become the cernterpiece of my day!

Don't stop now guys!

Yes, I wouldn't take anything for that pick. I'm glad you like the Roy stuff, and thanks for joining in.

Some folks get petrified rock from Yellowstone park (or wherever). I have a genuine Roy Nichols pick!!!! Eat your heart out country pickers!!!

Buckocaster51
September 1st, 2007, 12:19 AM
Is that Ronnie Reno, playing the 000-18, and standing next to Bonnie Owens in the ACL photo?

I had to see Roy play with Merle about 1969. Unfortunately, I wasn't into guitars or Telecasters at the time...it all went poooooofffffft...right over my head. :sad:

These are great stories gentlemen.

Keep 'em coming.

tdowns
September 1st, 2007, 12:22 AM
Is that Ronnie Reno, playing the 000-18, and standing next to Bonnie Owens in the ACL photo?

I had to see Roy play with Merle about 1969. Unfortunately, I wasn't into guitars or Telecasters at the time...it all went poooooofffffft...right over my head. :sad:

These are great stories gentlemen.

Keep 'em coming.


Yes, that is Ronnie Reno and Bonnie Owens.

Imagine what you would think NOW if you saw that over???

Gene Moles
September 1st, 2007, 12:40 AM
I just got done playing at Tootsies here in Nashville. After I sleep in I'll send some more. I've got Roy's MXR 90 he used on "big Wheels Rollin'" and other stuff from Don Rich I have that will blow your mind including a Tele from Don. And a stage suit from Don.

tdowns
September 1st, 2007, 01:00 AM
Gene,
Thanks so much for being here and contributing to this thread. I'll look forward to your posts.

Best regards,
Terry Downs

MandyMarie
September 1st, 2007, 02:03 PM
Especially with the addition of Mr. Eugene Moles this is now officially (and will forever be!) my favorite thread on the TDPRI ever in the history of my nine years of postin' on this board. You guys are the coolest on the planet...

Mark Davis
September 1st, 2007, 02:55 PM
Eugene is a great guy as was his daddy Gene.

Here is how I found Genes shop sorta funny story.

I had just moved to Bakersfield from Visalia and me and Ed Hill were driving down Niles street. We saw this guitar shop with all kinds of Moserites hanging on the wall. Went inside to take a look around. There was a console stereo in the middle of the floor which I though was weird to be in a guitar shop. So I opened up the lid to see what was inside and this guys head popped out of the empty turntable area and said whats up doc? It was a guy named Don Towndrow who was a tech there he was a dwarf. So as he wiggled out of the stereo and introduced himself over on the other side of the shop was an Indian guy playing an acoustic guitar but he only had 1 arm. He was making chords with his fingers and strumming with his thumb.

Right then and there I knew I was in the right place.

We went back a couple days later and thats when I met Gene Eugenes dad.

We hit it off real quick and me and Eugene got to be good friends too real quick.

After I hung around the shop almost everyday for a few months they started letting me go in the back and I helped Eugene sand bodies a few times and changed strings on some guitars when Gene was too busy.

It was a great experience for me.

I wanna Thank Eugene for always being such a cool person. I never heard him or his Daddy say 1 bad word. Thats the kind of people they are the kind you dont find everyday.

FredDairy
September 1st, 2007, 03:05 PM
Eugene is a great guy as was his daddy Gene.

Here is how I found Genes shop sorta funny story.

I had just moved to Bakersfield from Visalia and me and Ed Hill were driving down Niles street. We saw this guitar shop with all kinds of Moserites hanging on the wall. Went inside to take a look around. There was a console stereo in the middle of the floor which I though was weird to be in a guitar shop. So I opened up the lid to see what was inside and this guys head popped out of the empty turntable area and said whats up doc? It was a guy named Don Towndrow who was a tech there he was a dwarf. So as he wiggled out of the stereo and introduced himself over on the other side of the shop was an Indian guy playing an acoustic guitar but he only had 1 arm. He was making chords with his fingers and strumming with his thumb.

Right then and there I knew I was in the right place.

We went back a couple days later and thats when I met Gene Eugenes dad.

We hit it off real quick and me and Eugene got to be good friends too real quick.

After I hung around the shop almost everyday for a few months they started letting me go in the back and I helped Eugene sand bodies a few times and changed strings on some guitars when Gene was too busy.

It was a great experience for me.

I wanna Thank Eugene for always being such a cool person. I never heard him or his Daddy say 1 bad word. Thats the kind of people they are the kind you dont find everyday.



Great story Mark. Sadly I grew up with "Guitar Center".

0le FUZZY
September 1st, 2007, 03:09 PM
...I am outta breff reading this thread.

...It is sew much the kind of thread I haff been trynna git Paul tew dew a fourm about fer 10 years now.

...Thank you Gene !!! Great stuff !



0le FUZZY

tdowns
September 1st, 2007, 03:57 PM
Here's another pic from Hag's Bob Wills tribute session.
http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_bob_wills_studio.jpg

tdowns
September 1st, 2007, 04:03 PM
Here's a great Roy intro that was wasted to the cutting room floor. More evidence of "off the cuff" playing. It makes me wonder how many great intros and solos were "lost".

Pick a little harder Roy (http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/Roy-pick_a_little_bit_harder.mp3)

Keep the stories coming guys!!!

Gene do you know anything about the white Tele Roy had?

oltimeyrider
September 1st, 2007, 04:29 PM
I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!!!!

I don't know what else to say. I've never met Roy so I don't have any stories to share, but this is the next best thing.

That Tele with the Bigsby pickup looks wicked. It has to sound as good as it looks!

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stinkymommasboy
September 1st, 2007, 05:02 PM
Pick a little harder Roy (http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/Roy-pick_a_little_bit_harder.mp3)

That's good stuff right there.

tdowns
September 2nd, 2007, 01:31 AM
Did you like the picture of Tiny and Roy in the recording session of the Bob Will's Tribute Album?

For those of you that aren't aware of its greatness, I have prepared a little MP3 sample of Tiny & Roy playing for you. You won't here this on Saturday Night Live folks.

Stay A Little Longer - Solo (http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/Stay%20All%20Night%20-%20Roy%20and%20Tiny.mp3)

Mark Davis
September 2nd, 2007, 02:24 AM
Did you like the picture of Tiny and Roy in the recording session of the Bob Will's Tribute Album?

For those of you that aren't aware of its greatness, I have prepared a little MP3 sample of Tiny & Roy playing for you. You won't here this on Saturday Night Live folks.

Stay A Little Longer - Solo (http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/Stay%20All%20Night%20-%20Roy%20and%20Tiny.mp3)

I can listen to that style all day long 365 days a year.

The whole time my Mom was pregnant with me she went to see Bob Wills every Tuesday night in Tulsa. So that music is embedded in my soul.

Thanks Terry that was awesome.

JamonHamon
September 2nd, 2007, 02:44 AM
Being from California I've seen Merle Haggard and Roy play many many times

when I was real young I tried to do Roy's bends but failed a lot but I can do them pretty good now

There was a old Haggard song about a "Pickup Truck" that was out in around ? 1969 1970 does anyone remember the name of the song ???

oltimeyrider
September 2nd, 2007, 01:08 PM
That solo is terrific!

I'm with Mark - I could listn to that 24/7.

Great clip Terry!

And yes, the pic of Tiny and Roy was great too.

This just keeps getting better and better.

Gene Moles
September 3rd, 2007, 10:53 AM
Here's a great Roy intro that was wasted to the cutting room floor. More evidence of "off the cuff" playing. It makes me wonder how many great intros and solos were "lost".

Pick a little harder Roy (http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/Roy-pick_a_little_bit_harder.mp3)

Keep the stories coming guys!!!

Gene do you know anything about the white Tele Roy had?
Terry, Thanks for the mp3's! I don't know anything about the white Tele. I'll ask around Bakersfield. I'm pickin alot through this holiday weekend. But I will come back and post some things up on Tues. I have a Marsha Nichols pick. When I rehearsed for Merle, I did it with Norm and Don in 1976. I taped my reherarsal with a cassette player. I'll try to get that up here soon.Roy had the weird harmony's on top of Don. I would also like to say Roy was the most humbelest person pickin besides my dad. Thanks to everyone posting this great stuff about Roy.

MandyMarie
September 3rd, 2007, 11:56 AM
Eugene, I hope your gigs are goin' well and I hope you guys have an absolute ball on the 6th!

tdowns
September 5th, 2007, 10:57 PM
I just remembered another Roy story. Roy's wife told be Roy made a comedy guitar instructional video. I need to ask Bobby Wayne about that, because Bobby had one of the early VHS cameras, and he has a lot of archive amateur video from the Hag tours. She said he was making weird chords with his hands, and instructed the player how to hold his mouth while playing. He also said it was most important to always be the one in the band to hit the last chord later than everybody else!! Stand out when you play!!

sdcb27
September 6th, 2007, 12:12 AM
Terry ,
I must have that video and taken it to heart cause thats exactly how i play:shock:

Gene Moles
September 6th, 2007, 12:16 AM
Hi Terry, That would be great if Bobby Wayne still had a copy of it. I'm not sure if your close to Austin but, I'll be there I believe on the 23rd with Waylon's guys Richie Albright Fred Newell and Jigger It's called the Spirit of The Outlaws. I'll post up the time and place at www.myspace.com/eugenemoles in the morning. Gotta get some good Mexican food out there.

Gilamnstr
September 6th, 2007, 12:50 AM
No stories here, but I wanted to say thanks to all of you for all the great stories, anecdotes, trivia and information. This is the kind of thread I could read from start to finish no matter if it was 100 pages long!

getbent
September 6th, 2007, 01:12 AM
http://www.talentondisplay.com/00/rare1BWmaddocbros.jpg

Roy on left with the Maddox's

blue metalflake
September 6th, 2007, 03:27 PM
We all owe Jonz a big thank you for kicking this thread off, and of course Terry for his amazing contributions.

This is the best running thread I've seem, and the photos, clips, stories are just the best. Somehow I feel theres a lot more to come.

Heres to it.

MandyMarie
September 6th, 2007, 04:41 PM
I couldn't agree more with the above post...this thread is exactly why I love you guys so much that you're family! :oops:

Bruce Kiely
September 6th, 2007, 07:57 PM
Terry,

Was "the guy in Canada" who might have had the white Tele a guy by the name of Russell Broom?

I know Russ to say hi to him. He lives here in Calgary, and he's the guitar player in Jann Arden's band. Also co-writes tunes with Jann Arden.

Just curious, as there had been a rumour around town that Russ had bought one of Roy's Teles, but I seem to remember someone saying that the one he bought was black, not white.

Oh, and for the record ... if any are wondering ... Terry's Roy DVD is really great. Highly recommended ...

Cheers,
BK

Gene Moles
September 7th, 2007, 10:58 AM
Hi Terry. Roy sometimes would sand the finish off of old Tele's Have you heard of him doing so. Also ,one time he cut an old Tele down like a stick. Roy had gave a Tele to a gal who sang and played piano in Bakersfield. Her name might have been Augie. She soon after moved to Barstow and worked in clubs there. I wonder which tele that was?

fltpkr
September 7th, 2007, 03:14 PM
Telecaster = $750.
The Guitar Styles of Roy Nichols from Terry Downs Music = $39.95
This thread = PRICELESS!!!

tdowns
September 7th, 2007, 09:27 PM
Terry,

Was "the guy in Canada" who might have had the white Tele a guy by the name of Russell Broom?

I know Russ to say hi to him. He lives here in Calgary, and he's the guitar player in Jann Arden's band. Also co-writes tunes with Jann Arden.

Just curious, as there had been a rumour around town that Russ had bought one of Roy's Teles, but I seem to remember someone saying that the one he bought was black, not white.

Oh, and for the record ... if any are wondering ... Terry's Roy DVD is really great. Highly recommended ...

Cheers,
BK

Mrs. Nichols was trying to track him down, and never could find him. It sounded like the strongest link to the "White" Tele, according to her. I don't remember his name. If you think he may have the white Roy Tele, tell him that Fender is looking for him.

Hi Terry. Roy sometimes would sand the finish off of old Tele's Have you heard of him doing so. Also ,one time he cut an old Tele down like a stick. Roy had gave a Tele to a gal who sang and played piano in Bakersfield. Her name might have been Augie. She soon after moved to Barstow and worked in clubs there. I wonder which tele that was?

I never heard of him sanding down guitars, but Roy's wife said he was continously tinkering with his guitars.

Are you sure he cut up a Tele? That was the story I heard too, but his son Michael told me it was a Gibson SG that got "sawed". He basically left enough wood to support holding the bridge, pickups and neck. Roy, along with his son Michael, actually restored the cutoff pieces to the guitar in later years. They used dowel rod and glue to put it back together. I mentioned this in post #14 of this thread. Michael still has it in his possession. Let me know if you think he sawed up a Tele too.

Insisting that someone else drive so he can practice on a small guitar in the passenger seat is an exhibit of real dedication. It would be fascinating to know how many hours Roy had a guitar in his hands. One of the conditions of Roy joining Merle's band was that he didn't have to drive.

tdowns
September 7th, 2007, 09:32 PM
We all owe Jonz a big thank you for kicking this thread off, and of course Terry for his amazing contributions.

This is the best running thread I've seem, and the photos, clips, stories are just the best. Somehow I feel theres a lot more to come.

Heres to it.

Thanks. I've enjoyed it very much. The Roy Nichols fan base is enormous.

.......I love you guys so much that you're family! :oops:

Well we love you too Mandy...more than a hog loves slop!!! ...and that's a lot! :lol:

Telecaster = $750.
The Guitar Styles of Roy Nichols from Terry Downs Music = $39.95
This thread = PRICELESS!!!

:oops: :oops: You are too kind fltpkr !!

getbent
September 7th, 2007, 10:47 PM
a pretty good concert from 82 with Roy (http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ConcertDetail.aspx?id=20050396%7C4633)

tdowns
September 10th, 2007, 11:00 PM
a pretty good concert from 82 with Roy (http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ConcertDetail.aspx?id=20050396%7C4633)

Good find there getbent!! I enjoyed that. I need to check out that concert vault a little more someday. Thanks for sharing.



OK, I thought of another Roy story. As you may have read earlier, Roy practiced all the time, hence the sawed off guitar. Apparently he started using the little Radio Shack test amplifer. It was the early 70s version of this modern Radio Shack mini-amp.
http://www.cimastudios.com/fdion/image005.jpg

It had a ton of gain. It ran off a 9V battery. When turned up wide open, it had a nasty distorted sound, kinda like a "Big Muff Pi". I guess Roy and others thought that was a good sound.

Roy actually used that little plastic 9V amp miced in the studio on "Living With the Shades Pulled Down", and "Runnin' Kind". They were recorded on April 28th and 29th 1975 respectively.

Living With the Shades Pulled Down - 2nd solo - [MP3] (http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/ShadesPulledDownSolo.mp3) Hear Haggard laugh during his solo

Roy was very always humble and modest. His wife and daughter was surprised when Roy came in from that session trip, threw a tape down on the table, and said listen to my a$$ rock!!! He was joking with them, but he did seriously turn Haggard country guitar fans ears on edge with those. Me included.

Enjoy.

oltimeyrider
September 10th, 2007, 11:48 PM
Thanks again for all the stories guys!

ps- Terry, I got the DVD today. Thanks! Can't wait to dig in!!!

Johnny Isaacs
September 11th, 2007, 01:52 AM
He also used the Radio Shack amp on "A workin' man can't get nowhere today." It's one of my favorite Merle tunes!

Johnny Isaacs

Steve G
September 11th, 2007, 07:02 AM
Thank you all so much.

This thread defines why I love this site.

Please don't stop.

JohnnyAtomic
September 11th, 2007, 09:54 AM
OK, I thought of another Roy story. As you may have read earlier, Roy practiced all the time, hence the sawed off guitar. Apparently he started using the little Radio Shack test amplifer. It was the early 70s version of this modern Radio Shack mini-amp.
http://www.cimastudios.com/fdion/image005.jpg

It had a ton of gain. It ran off a 9V battery. When turned up wide open, it had a nasty distorted sound, kinda like a "Big Muff Pi". I guess Roy and others thought that was a good sound.


Is this similar to the Radioshack Telephone Listening amp?? Those had a cool raspy sound. and were CHEAP.

Stefan
September 11th, 2007, 10:26 AM
This is a wonderful thread! I am sorry I have no stories about Roy to share. I have to be one of the biggest Hag fans here in Sweden though. Roy and Merle are the main reasons I play the Tele, thatīs for sure!

I found this clip of Merle and Dolly doing Mama Tried together.

NFXIi9pfEKk

tdowns
September 13th, 2007, 12:55 AM
Is this similar to the Radioshack Telephone Listening amp?? Those had a cool raspy sound. and were CHEAP.

I don't think so. I remember the telephone listening amp to be something you strapped to the earpiece of a telephone that made it louder. The rig I'm speaking of had a wired input.

tdowns
September 13th, 2007, 12:58 AM
This is a wonderful thread! I am sorry I have no stories about Roy to share. I have to be one of the biggest Hag fans here in Sweden though. Roy and Merle are the main reasons I play the Tele, thatīs for sure!

I found this clip of Merle and Dolly doing Mama Tried together.

NFXIi9pfEKk

That looks like Clint Strong playing guitar on that show.

JohnnyAtomic
September 13th, 2007, 09:51 AM
I don't think so. I remember the telephone listening amp to be something you strapped to the earpiece of a telephone that made it louder. The rig I'm speaking of had a wired input.

No the telephone listening amp I remember had a 1/8 input, and a suction cup mic w/ an 1/8 inch end. You threw the mic away, and used the little amp. You used an adapter to plug a guitar in it and it distorted all to crap :razz: good crap :razz: :razz:

Johnny

tdowns
September 13th, 2007, 08:03 PM
No the telephone listening amp I remember had a 1/8 input, and a suction cup mic w/ an 1/8 inch end. You threw the mic away, and used the little amp. You used an adapter to plug a guitar in it and it distorted all to crap :razz: good crap :razz: :razz:

Johnny

Oh, I remember that one. I think the suction cup was actually an electromagnetic pickup (not acoustic) that sensed the flux leakage of the earpiece. In any case, I have no way of knowing which one it was.

I just think using a "toy" amplifier on a major label recording session, and clanking a screwdriver on a glass ashtray (railroad spike sound on Workin' Man Blues), depicts a stark contrast in production operations as compared to the recording industry today.

FredDairy
September 14th, 2007, 06:37 PM
I hate tab and instructional videos. I'd rather try to learn something by ear, because I think you educate yourself better that way. However, this post has totally inspired me to order Terry's Roy video :) Can't wait to get it!

bossaroo
September 23rd, 2007, 02:25 PM
http://www.jbpro.net/Life's%20Highway/roy5.JPGhttp://www.wynnstewart.com/NashvilleNevadaBand.jpg

more Roy anyone?

tdowns
September 23rd, 2007, 09:50 PM
Look how deep that Gibson was....and that outfit is too cool. Thanks for posting bossaroo!!

mofugly13
September 27th, 2007, 01:53 AM
Terry, and everyone, what a great thread! As a youngster, my dad wore out his "Back to the Barroooms" tape and other Haggard albums on trips to hunting camp. Roy Nichols solos blow me away, particularly "Honky Tonk Nighttime Man"........

I tell people that I don't play guitar, I merely own a few of them.... I came to this forum to search for help with the partscaster I'm putting together. But this thread prompted me to make my first post. Thank you Terry, I ordered your DVD around midnight last night after stumbling across this thread. Merle Haggard is one of my all time favorites, and it's so hard to find anyone who feels remotely the way I do, so this whole thread was a great breath of fresh air. Thank you all so much!

MandyMarie
September 27th, 2007, 03:43 AM
Bill, it's a good one you're going to be glad you ordered it, my friend! :grin:

I'm going to have the honor of hangin' out with our own Eugene Moles again in January and I swear I'm going to drive him crazy beggin' like a six-year-old for more and more Roy stories...:oops:

I really want to dive deeper into Roy's influences and try to get a hint at what made him "think" the way he did...I'd seriously give anything if I could just naturally improvise the way he did. My brain just doesn't go in that direction - his choice of notes and where he played them on the fretboard amaze me...every now and again you'll hear something that almost sounds kinda like a mistake...and then it bends on up to what you'd expect to hear. He was genius!

IMO the closest person to just naturally "think" like Roy is Redd Volkeart...I've been starin' at him so many times when he just gets thrown a solo out of the blue...and what he plays on the fly is almost eerily simliar (to me anyway) of what I would have imagined Roy playing if he was standing in that same spot.

OH these boys...they're the Telecaster Kings of my Heart :O)

tdowns
September 28th, 2007, 12:34 AM
Yes Mandy,
I wish I could pick more like Roy too, and wish I could think more like him too. I know I was presumptuous to do the video, but it was more out of admiration as opposed to pretending I could play like him. I just wanted to raise the awareness level and help Mrs. Nichols. I'm just an old hack, with a lot of respect for Roy.

So, here is one I forgot to post.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/Roy_from_Mrs_Nichols_cropped_400.jpg

This picture is hanging on the wall of Roy's house. His daughter took a lot of time photographing this picture on the wall for me. There were problems with glare from the glass in the frame, but she finally got a good shot. I scanned in the print she gave to me, so I could post it here.

sdcb27
September 28th, 2007, 04:54 PM
[QUOTE=tdowns;945999]Yes Mandy,
I wish I could pick more like Roy too, and wish I could think more like him too. I know I was presumptuous to do the video, but it was more out of admiration as opposed to pretending I could play like him.

Terry, Anyone thats heard you play knows this statement to be false, your playing and your playing of Roys licks is bar none!

FredDairy
September 28th, 2007, 04:59 PM
[QUOTE=tdowns;945999]Yes Mandy,
I wish I could pick more like Roy too, and wish I could think more like him too. I know I was presumptuous to do the video, but it was more out of admiration as opposed to pretending I could play like him.

Terry, Anyone thats heard you play knows this statement to be false, your playing and your playing of Roys licks is bar none!


Agreed! Terry you deserve a smack upside the head for what you said! :razz:

I got your DVD last week... Wow, I've watched it through twice just for entertainment purposes it's almost like watching a good concert DVD... and If you're a hack I'm not even a guitarist!

sirkev
September 28th, 2007, 07:12 PM
Many years ago, I heard or read somewhere that Roy said one of his main influences was Django Reinhart. Well, that got me hooked on Django too. Makes perfect sense....Both Django and Roy both will get get you going with an "ear twister" (as Terry Downs would appropriately describe), then resolve it...Whoa!, that stuff floats my boat...

tdowns
September 29th, 2007, 01:47 AM
[QUOTE=tdowns;945999]Yes Mandy,
I wish I could pick more like Roy too, and wish I could think more like him too. I know I was presumptuous to do the video, but it was more out of admiration as opposed to pretending I could play like him.

Terry, Anyone thats heard you play knows this statement to be false, your playing and your playing of Roys licks is bar none!

Thanks. I try. But, I ain't no Roy Nichols.

[QUOTE=sdcb27;946645]


Agreed! Terry you deserve a smack upside the head for what you said! :razz:

I got your DVD last week... Wow, I've watched it through twice just for entertainment purposes it's almost like watching a good concert DVD... and If you're a hack I'm not even a guitarist!

Thanks, but I get a slap upside the head regularly anyway. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I don't intend to let the legacy of Roy Nichols die.

I just wanted to make it clear that I don't want to come off like I'm the next thing to Roy Nichols. I just wanted to spread what little I was able to assimilate from his great works, into the video for others to enjoy.

Stickyfingers
September 29th, 2007, 05:41 AM
Terry, the only REAL problem I have had with your DVD's, and Redd's, and The Time Jumpers, is the threat of murder from my wife. She has told me that if I play any of that ONE MORE TIME.......I'm leavin'. I can see her point, but as well as being super great learning tools, they are like therapy for me after the 12/14 hour days I put in.(at my age) Well, still here, and still learning from your DVD's. Thanks to you and everyone who strives to help others, share their talents, and keep tradition alive. It's a real loss when these pickers go to their rewards, but it's even a worse crime when the memory of them and their music fades away. Thanks again..........

FredDairy
September 29th, 2007, 11:41 AM
[QUOTE=sdcb27;946645]

Thanks. I try. But, I ain't no Roy Nichols.

[QUOTE=FredDairy;946649]

Thanks, but I get a slap upside the head regularly anyway. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I don't intend to let the legacy of Roy Nichols die.

I just wanted to make it clear that I don't want to come off like I'm the next thing to Roy Nichols. I just wanted to spread what little I was able to assimilate from his great works, into the video for others to enjoy.

In that case Terry you've certainly kept the man's legacy alive, i don't think anyone here could disagree with that.

tdowns
September 29th, 2007, 12:10 PM
Thanks all. Wow Redd and the Time Jumpers. That is some good stuff.

blue metalflake
September 29th, 2007, 03:03 PM
This picture is hanging on the wall of Roy's house.



Hi Terry

I take it that is the acoustic that Merle plays in all the early live clips, that are around on you-tube.

Looks like a Martin - is there a story to it?

Gene Moles
October 2nd, 2007, 02:21 PM
Gene Moles and Roy at Gene's guitar shop in Bakersfield. My dad wanted to do a grand opening. And Merle and the guys pulled up in the bus and surprised him.

Gene Moles
October 2nd, 2007, 02:34 PM
Hi Terry

I take it that is the acoustic that Merle plays in all the early live clips, that are around on you-tube.

Looks like a Martin - is there a story to it?

Merle brought that Martin in my dad's shop a few times. I remember it having a real wide neck. I believe at one point it got dropped or bumped and my dad repaired it. Merle also had Martins made for his sons Marty and Noel , with their names in the fingerboards. But with more narrow of fingerboards.

Mark Davis
October 2nd, 2007, 02:44 PM
That was one of the best days in Bakersfield when Merle showed up @ Genes shop on Niles street. Eugene and I were as excited as 6 yr old kids at xmas.

Buckocaster51
October 2nd, 2007, 05:41 PM
The acoustic guitar in that photo looks like like 000-45 style Martin. If built to normal specs it would have an 1 3/4 or maybe even a 1 7/8 inch neck.

tdowns
October 2nd, 2007, 05:44 PM
That is one of the coolest pics ever. Thanks for sharing Mr. Moles !!!

bossaroo
October 23rd, 2007, 06:47 PM
Hag on Roy:
I remember going to a dance when I was a kid — my older brother took me in. Roy Nichols was playing. My brother said, "Hey, there's a little guy in there playing guitar. He don't have to pick cotton or go to school." Roy Nichols became my idol on the guitar. Many years later, he went on to play for me for half price. But he and I could never look directly at each other. I never knew why. At first, I thought it was because I admired him too much. But it was Roy, too. Anyway, late in his life, Roy had a stroke. Paralyzed him on one side. Right down the middle. Half of his nose he could blow, the other half was dead. After his stroke, I went over to Roy's house. He looked me right in the eye and said, "Look here: I love you." I got chills. He said, "That old sh** went down the hole with this stroke."

HERE'S MORE (http://men.msn.com/articlees.aspx?cp-documentid=5547169&GT1=10520)

tdowns
October 24th, 2007, 11:26 PM
I was never able to get the full story on the Hag-Roy relationship.

The "House of Memories" book by Tom Carter is a good read on a lot of the Hag stuff. It is very entertaining. No affiliation.

Thanks for posting bossaroo.

buddywayne
October 25th, 2007, 02:00 PM
Best of the best threads ever. Thank you all very much.

Scott V
October 25th, 2007, 09:46 PM
I've never really been exposed to or focused on Roy's playing until reading this thread, I was obviously missing out and never knew it. It never ceases to amaze me what I learn by hanging around TDPRI.
Thanks for starting this thread GuitarJonz, definitely a pearl.

tdowns
October 26th, 2007, 12:12 AM
It's amazing that what I cut my teeth on, winds up being useful guitar fodder for folks from any background or age.

sdcb27
October 26th, 2007, 01:15 AM
I hope this thread continues with more insight and info, exstremely interesting.

dibber124
October 26th, 2007, 07:48 AM
I hope this thread continues with more insight and info, exstremely interesting.
+1
This is my personal favorite TDPRI thread of all time. Cropper, Burton and Nichols have been the inspiration for just about every note I've played for over thirty years. A lot of information has been available on JB and SC, but Roy Nichols has been a bit of a mystery, with not much known about his background and personal life. This thread has gone a long way to see that Roy Nichols legacy will be known. Thanks to all for this thread.

rustycanuck
October 29th, 2007, 08:24 PM
hey guys, nice to find more people who love telecasters! i read in this thread about a guitar i have and it's lineage. i don't believe mine has anything to do with roy nichols, its a 57 esquire that has been painted black, and has traces of the original off white finish underneath. i found the guitar in a shop (the old Vintage Music on 16th) here in calgary and bugged the owner for 2 years to sell it to me, which he eventually did. he told me it came from a native reserve in BC, but didn't know too much else about it, so that should clear things up! if someone knows more about it let me know!

cheers

russell

tdowns
October 29th, 2007, 08:48 PM
Welcome to the forum Mr. Broom. Thanks for posting this information so that could be cleared up.

Nice Tele BTW.

sdcb27
October 30th, 2007, 07:01 PM
Terry that made me laugh, ty for that

Flannel Pat
October 31st, 2007, 12:25 AM
This is a really great thread. I've been getting into Roy a lot over the last couple months, and this is perfect. One thing I've been curious about though, can anyone tell me what the deal is with the gold plates below the bridge? I remember seeing an old Danny Gatton interview back in high school and he had a plate there too, I was always curious about it. When I saw some of the photos in this thread, I figured it had some connection to Roy. Thanks in advance.

Flannel Pat
October 31st, 2007, 04:43 PM
http://www.dannygatton.com/Video/roebling.mov

That's the interview I was referring to when I said I saw the gold thing. Although, it looks like his said 'Greaser American Car Show' or something.

tdowns
October 31st, 2007, 10:04 PM
Here is the one of Roy with the Tele I think Gene Moles made for him. That gold plate below the bridge looks like it might be an engraved trophy type plate.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_on_TV_show.jpg

MandyMarie
November 16th, 2007, 02:14 PM
I just wanted to say again how much I love this thread...I wish it would go on forever...and ever.

jimmybusk
November 16th, 2007, 05:38 PM
THANKS GUYS !!!!! ,For the many rare photos and info on this GREAT SUPERSTAR !!!!!! ..,'Now thats what a Tele' forum is supposed to be about !!! I am wogking on a Roy Nichols guitar now

Gene Moles
November 17th, 2007, 10:52 AM
Here is the one of Roy with the Tele I think Gene Moles made for him. That gold plate below the bridge looks like it might be an engraved trophy type plate.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_on_TV_show.jpg

I believe that gold plate has something to do with Danny Gatton.

Flannel Pat
November 17th, 2007, 06:45 PM
Anyone else know anything about these little gold wonders? Miles?

Paul in Colorado
November 18th, 2007, 04:02 AM
This is a great thread! I've been a fan of Roy's since I first heard Merle Haggard though I didn't know who he was and might have been hearing James Burton... But on the live albums and The Strangers albums without Merle you can really hear Roy's work. Roy, James Burton and Clarence White are my Telecaster touchstones. I always come back to them.

Now if Capital or somone would only release the Stranger's albums on CD's.

Thanks for all the stories. Keep 'em coming!

bossaroo
December 13th, 2007, 02:25 AM
leave it to the good folks at Bear Family! this is great news:


"Hag: Concepts, Live and the Strangers," a 6 CD box set due in early 2008, it will have both the Jimmie Rodgers and the Bob Wills tributes (with a few outtakes), the 3 "live" albums, the "Land of Many Churches" album and all the material from the 5 "Strangers" albums (with some previously unreleased Strangers tracks).

Flannel Pat
December 13th, 2007, 03:37 AM
Well, at least now I know what to spend my Christmas money on.

blue metalflake
December 13th, 2007, 12:27 PM
leave it to the good folks at Bear Family! this is great news:


"Hag: Concepts, Live and the Strangers," a 6 CD box set due in early 2008, it will have both the Jimmie Rodgers and the Bob Wills tributes (with a few outtakes), the 3 "live" albums, the "Land of Many Churches" album and all the material from the 5 "Strangers" albums (with some previously unreleased Strangers tracks).


Sounds like the album of 2008 already!

JohnnyAtomic
December 13th, 2007, 01:31 PM
leave it to the good folks at Bear Family! this is great news:


"Hag: Concepts, Live and the Strangers," a 6 CD box set due in early 2008, it will have both the Jimmie Rodgers and the Bob Wills tributes (with a few outtakes), the 3 "live" albums, the "Land of Many Churches" album and all the material from the 5 "Strangers" albums (with some previously unreleased Strangers tracks).


A 6 CD set from Bear family will cost about a bajillion dollars. (well OK probably closer to $150~$200). I love Bear Families music, hate their prices. :mrgreen:

tdowns
December 14th, 2007, 12:35 AM
leave it to the good folks at Bear Family! this is great news:


"Hag: Concepts, Live and the Strangers," a 6 CD box set due in early 2008, it will have both the Jimmie Rodgers and the Bob Wills tributes (with a few outtakes), the 3 "live" albums, the "Land of Many Churches" album and all the material from the 5 "Strangers" albums (with some previously unreleased Strangers tracks).

I love what the Bear family records do. I agree with JohnnyAtomic, they are higher that cat's a$$.

Do you have a link to this info? I couldn't find it in a quick search. It's the outtakes that would be really special.

Big Tony
December 14th, 2007, 03:10 AM
This is a great thread!

A big THANK YOU to Terry, and eveybody else!

/ Tony

bossaroo
December 14th, 2007, 03:24 PM
the announcement is from the book included in the most recent Hag boxset, which is listed here under New Releases: http://www.bear-family.de/indexframes/index_english.htm

can't find anything on the website about the Strangers set yet.

tdowns
December 14th, 2007, 11:52 PM
This is a great thread!

A big THANK YOU to Terry, and eveybody else!

/ Tony

Thanks Big Tony!!! There were a lot of folks made some great contibutions to this post.

the announcement is from the book included in the most recent Hag boxset, which is listed here under New Releases: http://www.bear-family.de/indexframes/index_english.htm

can't find anything on the website about the Strangers set yet.

Hey bossaroo,
I didn't see anything about Hag in that link. I'm not sure what I'm missing. Thanks for the reply.

Terry

bossaroo
December 15th, 2007, 02:38 PM
click on New Releases in the section to the left, then Fall 2007

tdowns
December 15th, 2007, 04:28 PM
Thanks bossaro!!. Their website uses frames, so the URL you get from the top don't take you to the frame content. Here's a link to the Haggard Box set (http://www.bear-family.de/tabel1/product/bcd16749_e.htm) we are talking about.
Here is the key quote:

The only exclusions are his Jimmie Rodgers tribute (already issued on a single CD by Bear Family) and the live recordings, which will be released in a companion volume.

Hopefully they will do the Philadelphia live album. I didn't see mention of the Stranger's Instrumentals albums. That would be a miracle IMHO.

bossaro,
I was in Tampa this week. That 80° weather was very nice compared to the cold weater here.

getbent
December 15th, 2007, 04:42 PM
Boy, I've got "Down Every Road" and many other cd's.. I wonder what the new box has that I'm missing?

I ripped the philadelphia album into mp3's but I'd sure like to get it without the scratches!

I'm heading through Bakersfield friday... I'm gonna have some nichols playin!

CHopjnATUmU

Gary Allan proves here that Nichols licks are harder than some might think! I know they've twisted my brain a few times!

elmerbumpkin
December 19th, 2007, 12:06 AM
There are some early 1980s Merle Haggard concerts at the country music part of wolfgang's vault (http://countrymusic.wolfgangsvault.com/), and Roy Nichols plays on all of them! One must register (free) to listen to the concerts there. Some great stuff.

tdowns
December 20th, 2007, 01:50 AM
There are some early 1980s Merle Haggard concerts at the country music part of wolfgang's vault (http://countrymusic.wolfgangsvault.com/), and Roy Nichols plays on all of them! One must register (free) to listen to the concerts there. Some great stuff.


Yes sir!!! That is some great stuff in that vault. I've been trying to listen to all of it. It will take a while. Another great country voice I just experienced on CMV was Bobby Bare.

Roy did play on all of those as far as I can tell. That was back in his Les Paul days.

the Hymster
February 3rd, 2008, 05:46 PM
as a first post, what could be better than a reply in a Roy Nichols thread?..I would just like to say that I am pleased to see that his legacy lives on in this day & age of "shredders" & the like...I was introduced to country music by way of Roy's great playing & if I hadn't heard him would probably still be a blues/rocker.I stole every lick off him I could & it helped me to play good enough to earn a living as a country sideman for over two decades...this isn't about me though, so I'd like to thank every one on here especially Terry Downs for keeping such a great player from "falling through the cracks" ...I had the good fortune of playing with Bobby Wayne for a few years & his "Roy stories" were always welcome & I hung on every word.thanks again & a big "HOWDY" to all you Tele players!!! :cool: :cool:

tdowns
February 4th, 2008, 12:03 AM
Welcome to the forum the Hymster, and thanks for the kind words. There are players all over the world that were greatly influenced by Roy.

I'm glad to hear you have played with Bobby Wayne. Yes, Bobby has some incredible stories. I could talk to him all day. We got an idea about getting together and turning on an audio recorder and just let Bobby ramble on about his life as a Stranger. I really need to find some time to do that.

I hope you enjoy the forum. It's a wonderful place, with a lot of knowledgeable folks.

jeffallwood
February 4th, 2008, 12:55 AM
The new set link:

http://www.bear-family.de/tabel1/product/bcd16782_e.htm

the Hymster
February 4th, 2008, 02:48 PM
Welcome to the forum the Hymster, and thanks for the kind words. There are players all over the world that were greatly influenced by Roy.

I'm glad to hear you have played with Bobby Wayne. Yes, Bobby has some incredible stories. I could talk to him all day. We got an idea about getting together and turning on an audio recorder and just let Bobby ramble on about his life as a Stranger. I really need to find some time to do that.

I hope you enjoy the forum. It's a wonderful place, with a lot of knowledgeable folks.

that's a great idea you have about turning Bobby loose with a tape running...he's a virtual encyclopedia of the early Merle days..I always enjoyed playing Hag's songs with him, because you could rest assured that he knew the arrangement, as he probably played on the session.what would be cool would be to get him in the studio & have some of Roy's solos playing in the background while he goes on about the early Strangers days.if you talk to Bobby, tell him I said hey..he called me a couple of years ago looking for a picker, & I regretted that I couldn't work with him again..damn day jobs. :sad:

blue metalflake
February 4th, 2008, 03:16 PM
We got an idea about getting together and turning on an audio recorder and just let Bobby ramble on about his life as a Stranger. I really need to find some time to do that.




Wow Terry - if you ever get that together it would be first class. Please find the time.

tdowns
February 6th, 2008, 12:44 AM
Wow Terry - if you ever get that together it would be first class. Please find the time.

Well my hesitation is that some of it would be a little too personal and some of it not suitable for public consumption. I'll try to get around to it sometime.

getbent
February 22nd, 2008, 03:22 AM
Terry,
I had a long drive home from playing tonight and I was thinking about Roy and your lessons and music and how folks talk about it... Frequently driving up or down 101 or on the east west highways out here I try to imagine what it was like 40 years ago... what the conversations were about playing parts and what that vocabulary was....

So, here is my question... if a guy was talking to Roy and asked him about the solo & part in say Lonesome Fugitive would he describe how he plays it in 'musical' terms like you use in your video or would he talk about it differently? What is your opinion? All of us come at the instrument in different ways... some very mathematically, some visually etc... what was Roy's approach? Don Rich's style is interesting to me too because of how simple and how 'out' it seems. I NEVER fall onto Don Rich part... Even the nuances in Buckaroo are just so.... personally inflected... but his solos and fills are NOT obvious at all to me... but if I were having a lesson (or a beer) with those guys what 'language' would they use or would they grab a guitar and 'show me'?

I remember when I learned double stops and triple stops back in the 70's from an older guy who I sat in with us... during a break he said, "hey kid you sound pretty good but you gotta try some easy double notes so you don't have to work so hard." Then he showed me and WOW! and he explained how it related to chords and how you could find any chord... and well, I got it.

I know this is a kinda spacey post (cough syrup! the only way to get through when i'm this sick!) and I hate to put you on the spot... but I thought you might have an opinion about it.

What did it sound like to hear Roy, Don, Buck, Gene Moles etc talk about playing, music etc?

Mark Davis
February 22nd, 2008, 03:48 AM
When I first moved to Bakersfield and hung around Gene Moles shop and met Eugene I didnt even know he was famous. He was so humble he never said anything much. Gene would tell stories about playing at The Lucky Spot back in the 50's. One of the nicest most humble guys you would ever wanna meet.

Flannel Pat
February 22nd, 2008, 10:15 PM
Didn't James Burton play the solo on Lonesome Fugitive?

getbent
February 22nd, 2008, 10:29 PM
Didn't James Burton play the solo on Lonesome Fugitive?

not on live at muskogee... besides, are you following what I'm asking about?

Whatever. I guess Kliff Klaven lives everywhere.

tdowns
February 23rd, 2008, 01:33 AM
Hello getbent,
Thanks for bringing up Roy again.

I never got into that subject with Roy, but his wife brought it up much later. Apparently Roy didn't have any formal music training, and he was always curious about people that did. The guy wet out on a gig when he was still in school and required a teacher/guardian to go with him!!! He obviously learned a lot about music theory from picking with all the players he was around. I'm sure him and Tiny Moore were incredible influences on each other. The way Roy got so good at playing was an amazing time spent practicing. Guitar notes just flowed out of Roy like an endless tapestry of creativity. He was a penchant for twisting the ear. On the "Every Fool Has A Rainbow" instrumental, I seriously doubt that Roy knew he was playing a scale harmonizing around A7sharp5flat9th !!! That was the one part of that instructional video I needed some help with. I have a great friend that is a music major, and I had to show him that lick. I said, "I have went through and tried to explain most of what is musically going on here on the video, but this one I'm having a real hard time figuring out". He said oh heck yes, jazz players use that A7sharp5flat9th thing ALL THE TIME. I said "OK thanks". I don't know if Roy was technically familar with the dominant 7th flat 5 scale either, but he played it on that song as well. At least I didn't need to consult my music major on that one. :oops:

Regarding Lonesome Fugitive, Roy did get asked a lot of questions about what he was thinking and what guitar/amp he was using on some of those songs. He got tired of telling everyone that it wasn't him, that it was James Burton. But in most most every case, Roy's live solo was better than the original. He had to do the same thing when Reggie Young played on all the Haggard stuff.

Roy left the business not feeling good about himself as a guitarist. The problem is, I don't really think the man EVER truly realized how talented he was.

Getwell getbent !!!

getbent
February 23rd, 2008, 02:16 AM
Terry! Thanks to you and Mark!

The comment your friend made about the 'jazz thing A7sharp5flat9th thing ALL THE TIME.' is exactly that kind of 'shorthand' with language I'm wondering about. And... for guys like Roy or Gene or Don I would love to have heard their terminology. In almost every new thing I learn (unless I fall into it) I kind of stumble along for awhile and then all the sudden I make some kind of connection to something I DO know and suddenly it is doable and pretty 'easy'. (doesn't mean I can play it well, but I'm comfortable with the concept.) I can kind of 'see the pattern'.

I used to have a friend in college who could play all the funk stuff and when Kevin would show me stuff he'd say 'check it out, its kind of the doobie bros trip' and then show the hammering on of min7 chords and all the extensions beyond that they popularized. And that is how I remembered it.

I remember hearing one of the Eagles talking about learning 'chinese chords' from Tippy Armstrong at Muscle Schoals.... they were the sliding double stops you use for fills on soul songs. (it is pretty funny because the album they were working on "one of these nights" is chock full of them!)

I only have a few friends here that even speak 'nashville #' system...

Anyway, I guess I'd love to hop in the time machine and go listen to those guys (Roy, Tiny, Eldon etc) talk about what they were gonna do when they 'twinned up' etc...

I was learning the guitar intro and fills to "funny how time slips away" tonight... an old recording of Willie from the 60's... just so cool and so interesting to me.... I would love to hear the guitar describe what he was thinking...

I love James Burton too, I have his video, but a lot of the explanation almost seems like what he's been told to say to describe it for the music majors... I'd love to hear how he would have described it to a friend who was trying to figure it out.

Anyway, thanks guys! It makes me sad to think of the black dog chasing Roy and him feeling down about his playing.... if only he and Don knew how much reverence there is for their work...

3 Chord
February 23rd, 2008, 10:54 AM
Just one more thanks for this post. It is excellent. A lot of us Tele folks admire Roy but unless you know where to look, photos and info is hard to find. Thanks again.

Story time.

I always wanted to see Merle and the band and I was going to see them around 1993 near Spokane Wa. I don't know if Roy would have been with them or not but I was hoping. The gig was in a smallish bar and I was going to pack along my trusty Tele for a hopefull signing by the two great ones.

Well we just had our first daughter at the time and being new parents we decided to not go to the show as we were more than busy at home.

Well this past year we did get a chance to see Merle and I was lucky enough for him to sign my old Tele. Merle sounded great and you can sure see the effect of playing alongside Roy for all those years has had on his playing. Even though he was not present, I somehow felt like some of the licks coming out of Merle's guitar were indeed the work of Roy.

Roy was such a great talent and I can only imagine how Merle must feel on stage without him by his side supporting the song.

tdowns
February 23rd, 2008, 05:55 PM
getbent,
You made some interesting points. I LOVE the Nashville Number System, but I never get a NNS chart in the studio. They just expect me to play the parts without even hearing it first.

3 chord,
Merle loves to play guitar. Norm says he loves to play guitar more than he likes to sing.

Flannel Pat
April 26th, 2008, 04:08 AM
I want to check out his playing with The Maddox Brothers and Rose. What should I check out to hear Roy? I read somewhere that he had over 100 recordings with them.

wikur
April 26th, 2008, 08:29 AM
Thanks Guitarjonz!
I`ve allways liked Roy Nichols playing.
Great thread and thanks to all of you for posting!
Cheers,Wikur!

tdowns
April 26th, 2008, 01:03 PM
I want to check out his playing with The Maddox Brothers and Rose. What should I check out to hear Roy? I read somewhere that he had over 100 recordings with them.

Check here on Artist Direct (http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/music/artist/card/0,,461892,00.html).

Here is the solo on "New Step It Up and Go (http://terrydownsmusic.com/licks/Step%20It%20Up%20and%20Go.mp3)". This song is on the "America's Most Colorful Hillbilly Band" collection. The recordings are from 1946 to 1951.

One thing to keep in mind about the recorded solo above is that Roy started playing with Maddox Brothers & Rose shortly before his 16th birthday. They took Roy out of school and one of the Maddox guys was his legal guardian and tutor. He was making $90 a week in the late 40s, which was quite a salary. As the story goes, Roy lost that job by messing around with prostitutes too many times, as well as other behavior issues. After hearing this solo, it is wild to think this teenager had experience with prostitutes AND descending diminished arpeggios.

karl straub
May 5th, 2008, 10:52 AM
does anyone out there know a source for downloading any of the strangers instrumentals albums? i'd much prefer to buy legit copies on cd, but i haven't seen them available, and judging from terry's dvd those albums have a lot of essential roy material for study.

karl straub
May 5th, 2008, 11:45 AM
i just found out there's a bear family box with that strangers instrumental stuff, so i don't need download info. as much of a cheapskate as i am, i don't like to download stuff that's commercially available.


i guess i'll ask a different question then-- does anyone know of haggard live recordings floating around (featuring roy, and/or james) that are not commercially available? i've collected two or three bootleg concerts that have some nice roy playing. i've also bought various live albums that looked legit, or at least semi-legit. always interesting to hear roy's approach to live solos on tunes he had already played many times--

Dennis68
May 5th, 2008, 01:18 PM
Man, what a cool thread. Here I am looking for idea on what to download to the iPod, and this thread just filled that order!

Thanks for sharing the pics, Terry!

ThreePlyGuy
May 5th, 2008, 01:38 PM
Guys this is one terrific thread. I am so Roy ignorant and plan to catch up for sure. Players like this humble me and I just love it!
Many thanks

tdowns
May 5th, 2008, 06:44 PM
i just found out there's a bear family box with that strangers instrumental stuff, so i don't need download info. as much of a cheapskate as i am, i don't like to download stuff that's commercially available.


--

I'll be interested in hearing those instrumentals after Bear Family digitizes them. That usually do a good job. Some record company digitized the live in Philly album, it it sounded really bad compared to the original LP.

sdcb27
May 6th, 2008, 12:45 AM
Its a well known fact prostitutes love descending diminished arpeggios.
Seriously if one must loose a job, thats about as good a reason as I can imagine:grin:

tdowns
May 7th, 2008, 12:32 AM
Its a well known fact prostitutes love descending diminished arpeggios.
Seriously if one must loose a job, thats about as good a reason as I can imagine:grin:

That's funny, I've never had one come up to me and say "I'm so turned on by your arpeggio". Fact is, I can ascend and decend over and over. Maybe I'm pickin' in the wrong places. :shock:

freddie
May 7th, 2008, 07:42 AM
Hi All,

COOL THREAD!!!!! Roy is my all time favourite country guitarplayer.



freddie

John Beland
May 7th, 2008, 11:29 AM
When I worked with Hag he spoke very fondly of Roy, even getting into things like sending him money while he was ill. I could tell he loved the guy.
In fact, here's Merle actually showing me one of Roys licks from No Hard Time Blues. Merle's no slouch on guitar.
JB
www.johnbeland.com

Flannel Pat
May 7th, 2008, 12:36 PM
Check here on Artist Direct (http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/music/artist/card/0,,461892,00.html).

Here is the solo on "New Step It Up and Go (http://terrydownsmusic.com/licks/Step%20It%20Up%20and%20Go.mp3)". This song is on the "America's Most Colorful Hillbilly Band" collection. The recordings are from 1946 to 1951.

One thing to keep in mind about the recorded solo above is that Roy started playing with Maddox Brothers & Rose shortly before his 16th birthday. They took Roy out of school and one of the Maddox guys was his legal guardian and tutor. He was making $90 a week in the late 40s, which was quite a salary. As the story goes, Roy lost that job by messing around with prostitutes too many times, as well as other behavior issues. After hearing this solo, it is wild to think this teenager had experience with prostitutes AND descending diminished arpeggios.

Thank you, Terry.

John Beland
May 7th, 2008, 05:19 PM
Enjoy

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tdowns
May 7th, 2008, 09:44 PM
When I worked with Hag he spoke very fondly of Roy, even getting into things like sending him money while he was ill. I could tell he loved the guy.
In fact, here's Merle actually showing me one of Roys licks from No Hard Time Blues. Merle's no slouch on guitar.
JB
www.johnbeland.com

Man that's cool!!! Thank you. Have a pic of Merle teaching ME a Roy lick would be one of my most prized possessions.

Thank you, Terry.

You are welcome. I was wondering if anyone was going to respond to that. It's such a wild solo.

Enjoy

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Hey John,
It looks like your Youtube link came out foul. I'll try to repair it.

tdowns
May 7th, 2008, 09:51 PM
0fcWcg_gc5g

Flannel Pat
May 15th, 2008, 12:17 AM
You are welcome. I was wondering if anyone was going to respond to that. It's such a wild solo.



I always enjoy reading your posts and have learned a lot from you. If I ever make a trip to down at your neck of the woods, or if you come to Pittsburgh, I owe you a beer or six.

Mountaintwanger
May 15th, 2008, 05:01 AM
This is the greatest thread of all time!!......Terry you are a Saint for helping in keeping Roy's legacy Living on for others to discover!....For all of you who knew Roy and played with him and were friends of his and have posted a story here I thank you for every word in your stories to pass along to us fans!.....



I have so many questions to ask about Roy like what was his favorite food and what was his favorite music to listen to when he was home on his breaks or what was his favorite car or truck....Did he like the outdoors...Did he like to fish....what kind of movies did he like......So many questions............What an amazing life it must of been to live!...........

olewichita
May 15th, 2008, 05:05 AM
I want to check out his playing with The Maddox Brothers and Rose. What should I check out to hear Roy? I read somewhere that he had over 100 recordings with them.

everything roy did with maddox and rose is great...start with the maddox bros. and rose vol. 1 and vol. 2 compilations on arhoolie... tj

tdowns
May 16th, 2008, 05:33 PM
I always enjoy reading your posts and have learned a lot from you. If I ever make a trip to down at your neck of the woods, or if you come to Pittsburgh, I owe you a beer or six.

Well it would need to be six bacause I never drink just one!! :lol:

Thnaks so much.

This is the greatest thread of all time!!......Terry you are a Saint for helping in keeping Roy's legacy Living on for others to discover!....For all of you who knew Roy and played with him and were friends of his and have posted a story here I thank you for every word in your stories to pass along to us fans!.....



I have so many questions to ask about Roy like what was his favorite food and what was his favorite music to listen to when he was home on his breaks or what was his favorite car or truck....Did he like the outdoors...Did he like to fish....what kind of movies did he like......So many questions............What an amazing life it must of been to live!...........

Thanks Mountaintwanger,
I only saw Roy eat hamburgers. One time it was a McDonald's Quarter Pounder w/ Cheese!! He didn't like to drive, so I don't know how much he liked cars. I have no clue on the rest.

Dirt
June 18th, 2008, 02:50 PM
This is one fantastic thread! I've been a fan of Roy's for a lot of years. :grin:

Lerb21
June 18th, 2008, 07:59 PM
Not a really a Roy story, but it's Hag so I'll go ahead and pitch in.

Last year I went to see Merle perform in early August at the Pepsi-Cola Roadhouse west of Pittsburgh. Really long drive. The opening band was done and the strangers came out. I was just as Tele crazy as I am now, but I still wasn't as knowledgeable. I recognized Norm, Scott Joss, and of course Hag, but not his guitarist. It wasn't Redd or Roy, or even Clint Strong. During the song 'I'll Just Stay Here and Drink' he completely missed the first guitar solo. I recall my self thinking, "God, I wish Roy was here."

RIP Roy Nichols

ChazM
June 19th, 2008, 01:35 AM
I agree with everyone else, this is the coolest thread, I love Roy Nichols' playing. A couple things:

1) Has anyone seen the recent flick "The Strangers" with Liv Tyler? In one particularly creepy scene (its a horror flick) they use "Mama Tried" to induce chills in a tense moment. The entire song is played. The record is put on by the killers as they stalk their victims. Crazy, man!

2)Isn't it true that James Burton played some guitar on one of Merle's first few LPs?

Telemarkman
June 19th, 2008, 04:35 AM
2)Isn't it true that James Burton played some guitar on one of Merle's first few LPs?

Not just "some" ..... Here's a thread about Burton with Haggard: Scroll down quite a bit, and you'll find a long post by Olewichita with everything you'll ever need to know on the subject I guess ...

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/telecaster-discussion-forum/60402-essential-james-burton-haggard.html

AdamLopez
June 19th, 2008, 09:10 AM
awesome thread! does anyone know or have a complete discography for Roy?
i'd like to see a listing of all the tracks he recorded in one place.

Lerb21
June 19th, 2008, 09:57 AM
http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/roy_tele/Roy%20on%20Instrumental%20Album.jpg
http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/6/9/8/553698.jpg

That new Squier 50's Telecaster SCREAMS Roy Nichols!

I gotta get me one!

tonytrout
June 19th, 2008, 11:39 AM
Apparently Lynyrd Skynyrd was impressed by Roy too.

Actually, I think it's Ronnie Van Zant (as an individual) who was impressed with Roy & Merle Haggard. Skynyrd recorded "Honky-Tonk Nighttime Man" on their final CD, "Street Survivors" (released on October 17, 1977) as a tribute to Merle. Steve Gaines does some killer lead playing on that track!

It's been rumored that, shortly before his death, Ronnie actually wanted to record a solo country album, I think.

tdowns
June 20th, 2008, 12:51 AM
This is one fantastic thread! I've been a fan of Roy's for a lot of years. :grin:

Where the heck have you been Dirt?

Not a really a Roy story, but it's Hag so I'll go ahead and pitch in.

Last year I went to see Merle perform in early August at the Pepsi-Cola Roadhouse west of Pittsburgh. Really long drive. The opening band was done and the strangers came out. I was just as Tele crazy as I am now, but I still wasn't as knowledgeable. I recognized Norm, Scott Joss, and of course Hag, but not his guitarist. It wasn't Redd or Roy, or even Clint Strong. During the song 'I'll Just Stay Here and Drink' he completely missed the first guitar solo. I recall my self thinking, "God, I wish Roy was here."

RIP Roy Nichols

So you never figured out who it was? That's sad.

awesome thread! does anyone know or have a complete discography for Roy?
i'd like to see a listing of all the tracks he recorded in one place.

That would be a TALL order. Roy played on so much stuff outside the realm of Haggard. Lefty Frizell, Johnny Cash, Maddox & Rose, Buck Owens, just to name a few.

[IMG]
That new Squier 50's Telecaster SCREAMS Roy Nichols!

I gotta get me one!

Yepper!!!

getbent
June 20th, 2008, 02:37 AM
Terry, I wonder if Joe Manuel is still playing with Hag?

The 'drink' solo is Reggie on the record... I did see Roy play a solo on that song if memory serves kinda during that going where the lonely go album period.... he was playing a les paul and he played the freakiest, coolest most 'out' solo ever... I was amazed... at first I though 'ruh roh' and then he pulled it out.... like a wild ride with a barnstorming pilot.

JohnnyAtomic
June 20th, 2008, 09:18 AM
Terry, I wonder if Joe Manuel is still playing with Hag?
.


He was when I saw them last year.

tdowns
June 20th, 2008, 06:09 PM
Yes, I saw Joe with Merle about a year and a half ago. Man, he is great. He's the only one I ever heard nail Roy's "Honky-Tonk Night Time Man" solo.

Dirt
June 21st, 2008, 09:43 AM
Where the heck have you been Dirt?

Good question, TD! As they say, "Ain't it funny how time slips away..." :lol:

Joe Manuel was filling in for Norm when he was out sick. I think he stayed for the season, but I don't know for sure. The last time I saw a Hag show Joe wasn't there. Merle was playing lead. I'm seeing Hag on the 30th, so I'll see who is on lead now. :wink:

missinglinkwray
June 21st, 2008, 03:40 PM
Thanks for this thread, guys, I've read it straight through... good stuff, though I wish there were more video to share, seems like there's about as much video of Hank Williams as of Roy...

Someone mentioned the Strangers instrumental album... I've got the LP here, and on the back, Marcia Nichols is listed as a member of the band on electric guitar. I bet if anyone has questions about Roy's approach and thinking and guitar vocabulary or whatever you want to call it, she'd know. I mean, I'm sure people have grilled her on it already, but it's a bit of a boy's club around here, and she probably knows more than anybody!

tdowns
June 21st, 2008, 04:16 PM
..... Marcia Nichols is listed as a member of the band on electric guitar. I bet if anyone has questions about Roy's approach and thinking and guitar vocabulary or whatever you want to call it, she'd know.

:cry: Unfortunately Marcia was killed in tragic car accident not very long after her and Roy were married.

namida
June 22nd, 2008, 02:17 AM
I always check this thread and from reading and a bit of listening, I became a Roy Nichols fan. Hopefully, in time I can gather enough materials to dive into his music as well as Merle's. Thanks to this thread and its amazing contributors :razz:

Dirt
June 22nd, 2008, 12:42 PM
:cry: Unfortunately Marcia was killed in tragic car accident not very long after her and Roy were married.

If we make it thru December we'll be fine..."

I heard that Merle wrote the song about Roy.

Lerb21
June 22nd, 2008, 01:35 PM
So you never figured out who it was? That's sad.


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tdowns
June 24th, 2008, 10:05 AM
I can't tell from the video. Maybe Joe Manuel???

getbent
June 24th, 2008, 11:04 AM
that'd be my guess.

Dirt
July 2nd, 2008, 06:41 AM
I believe the guy in the picture and clip is Tim Howard. He's been with Merle for a couple years.

Currently, Merle's 15 year old son, Binny, (I think that was his name,) is sharing guitar duties with Tim and Merle. They played a couple harmony parts and he sounded pretty good. :smile:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/dirtprod/music/binny.jpg

TerryOz
July 3rd, 2008, 08:32 PM
Sorry! I Declare my lack of computer skills upfront...I want to save threads like this, can someone explain how I can do this...Previously I just added them to my favourites from time to time only to find that there was no text, just the thread subject...
Terry

Dirt
July 4th, 2008, 06:12 AM
First choose where you want them, (My Documents, perhaps.) Make a folder to save the pages to. In IE7 click "Page" then "Save As..." Then using the drop-down menu, choose "Webpage, Complete" You'll have to save each page of a multi-page thread, but that will do it.

You're right this is the stuff you save! :grin:

tdowns
July 5th, 2008, 10:45 AM
I believe the guy in the picture and clip is Tim Howard. He's been with Merle for a couple years.

Currently, Merle's 15 year old son, Binny, (I think that was his name,) is sharing guitar duties with Tim and Merle. They played a couple harmony parts and he sounded pretty good. :smile:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/dirtprod/music/binny.jpg

Cool. Thanks for the pic. That is an interesting Tele. It doesn't look like a Fender offering...perhaps it is a partscaster?

Dirt
August 2nd, 2008, 02:03 AM
It was silver sparkle body. I couldn't see if it was a Fender or not.

(This thread is on page 22? What the?)

tdowns
August 2nd, 2008, 03:49 PM
Well, dirt has come through with some Roy GOLD. He found some of his old scrapbooks and sent me some pictures of the Strangers. I'll let him tell the story, but apparently these are some pictures that were sold at the shows back in the day. They appear to be extra photos from two Strangers instrumental albums. He sent these and I offered to post them here.

Here is the first one:

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/strangers_photo_shoot.jpg

As you can see, they are wearing the same sexy clothes as the "Getting to Know the Strangers" album cover here:

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/strangers_getting_to_know.jpg

Anyway, there

tdowns
August 2nd, 2008, 03:52 PM
Here is the second from dirt.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/strangers_photo_shoot1.jpg

Which is obviously another one from the "Honky Tonkin'" Strangers instrumental album rear cover shoot. The picture below is not a very good, but it is the only one I have of the rear of that album. Anyone have a better one?

http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/strangers_honky-s2.jpg

Thanks dirt. You are the greatest. I'll be posting an article he sent about the Strangers next.

Dirt
August 3rd, 2008, 06:39 AM
I actually got them when I was a member of the Merle Haggard Fan Club in the early 70's. Roy was always the real deal for me! I had them, (along with a pile of other stuff,) put into an old scrapbook, which we came across when my brother was moving out of our family home of 40+ years. Boxes of stuff we had thought were gone were unearthed from the attic. :mrgreen:

"When I think of the past it brings back so many memories." I think that was said by comedian Steven Wright. So true! :cool:

I've still got a few more things I have to scan, but need to take the book apart to do it. :wink:

tdowns
August 3rd, 2008, 04:35 PM
Here is the article about the Strangers. Thanks dirt for transcribing the text.

The Strangers (http://terrydownsmusic.com/Archive/strangers_article.pdf)