February 23rd, 2007, 02:17 AM
Hey all -- am finishing one of those Eden Thinline bodies. Right now as you can see I have a layer of the General Finishes black (java, they call it) stain applied. After I scrape the stain off of the cream binding I'll hit the thing with a few layers of gel poly -- which is only in satin.
Was wondering if anyone has used the General Finishes gel stain and top-coated it with the General Finishes Armour Coat semi-gloss? I would think that would work fine. Just want to get the leveling qualities of the gel poly to flatten things out. My original plan was to just go with the satin, but I also happen to have some of the semi-gloss on hand.
February 23rd, 2007, 02:57 AM
I can't answer your questions...but I think it's going to look pretty nice when it's done. That stain is great.
February 23rd, 2007, 03:01 AM
Morroben -- Thanks. Am really impressed with this General Finishes stuff. Researched these products and loaded up at my local Woodcraft store. THEN I looat at the can and find out the stuff is made right here in my back yard.
In a week or so, I'll receive my Musikraft Thinline body and do it in General Finishes cherry -- should be pretty cool. Using this project to work out any bugs.
February 25th, 2007, 02:31 AM
Scraped the cream binding on this Eden body last night. Touched it up a little this morning and used a Q-Tip to dab stain in some areas right alongside the binding. Just hit it with a layer of wipe-on Poly.
Notice as well my high-tech work area ~ the small watercloset in the basement. Developed a very sophisticated device to keep the furnace from blowing dust in out of the vent. Not sure if the clock pattern on that paper towel heightens the filtration effect -- will A-B that against some paper towels with pictures of geese soon.
The poly goes on tonight and tomorrow ...
February 25th, 2007, 02:37 AM
keep us updated ive been looking at those eden bodies lately im thinkin i might go ahead and get one... how do you like it?
February 25th, 2007, 05:43 AM
Looks great, I have two questions about those Eden bodies:
Have you tried a Fender spec'd neck - did it fit well in the neck pocket (no gaps)?
Is the body hollowed only on the upper half, or on the lower half as well?
February 25th, 2007, 12:18 PM
... stuck a Warmoth Tele neck in and it was a nice, snug fit. No finish on the neck yet apart from whatever sealant they dip the things in, so a finished neck should be very tight.
Here is the deal on the body cavity routing. It is hollow on only the upper bout.
Also, when I took delivery on the thing there were no channels routed between the control and pickup cavities.
Am doing this as a shakedown cruise prior to taking delivery on a more expensive unfinished body, and it looks like a buddy is going to buy this Eden body for a preliminary Tele build. We'll see how it sounds in time.
February 25th, 2007, 04:13 PM
March 4th, 2007, 11:50 PM
A buddy of mine (http://www.masterthis.net)is going to use it for a Teleparterster-to-be. He has constructed a few Strats and rebuilt a few other axes. He will be finishing it in a solid, so I sanded the body back to bare wood and hit it with a coat of dark Bartley's grain filler. He can sand the grain filler back and finish as he likes. Here is a photo of the body, a Warmoth neck I am using for my main build and a Warmoth I threw over to Eric as well.
March 5th, 2007, 01:38 AM
Hi there Rathman,
This is my first post in forum.
So hello to all I have learned a lot here.
I was moved to post after seeing how you finished your Eden body.
I just took delivery of one myself and am trying to work out which way I will go with it, stain or paint?
I think I will paint cos my grain is nowhere near as nice as your one is.
Did you drill out channels yet or leaving that to your buddy?
Another quick question, did you cut the pickguard down from a standard tele pickguard? If so, how hard was that and any tips?
I can foresee a few minor problems with string holes through body not drilled straight on my body already.
But I will cross that bridge when I come to it, I guess.
Overall for the price I paid, I am reasonably happy.
March 5th, 2007, 01:53 AM
Looks great! i really like the lok of that stain with the white binding, verry cool look. Post completed pics!
March 5th, 2007, 12:49 PM
In answer to your question, I did drill channels between the cavities, but my contact at Eden said that they had specified the manufacturer do this on their bodies. So hopefully yours came with all the necessary routing?
Folks on this forum said the drilling would not be difficult. I went out and bought a foot-long bit, and still had to start at the top of the bridge cavity to get a hole to pop through at the very bottom of the neck pickup cavity.
The pickguard is a Warmoth hybrid -- designed for a Thinline while keeping the metal control plate of a traditional Tele. They go for about $22. I would avoid cutting down a pickguard unless I wanted a flat, perpendicular cut. Otherwise I'd want to make sure I had a tool that would allow me to bevel the cut as it is on the sides of these guards.
Eric will be painting this thing a solid color. The grain is okay on this body, but it still is several pieces of ash glued side-by-side. That is why I opted for a dark stain. Because I got this body primarily to practice my process on before my Musikraft body arrives, I wanted to use the same General Finishes products as I'll be using on my main body. The primary lesson I learned was that I really do want to use grain filler (I was corresponding with a guy who had good results with General Finshes Seal a Cell and other products on top of that, but that is not for me). Also, I found that in general the General Finishes stuff is pretty stupid-proof, and I'll be sticking with it.
March 5th, 2007, 06:34 PM
Thanks for response to questions.
My body had no routings also.
So in between sending questions and receiving answers I had read "Buckocaster" thread about drilling routings and I got myself a long drill bit and drilled away!
It was quite easy and results were good.
I will check out warmoth site for pickguard.
You are right about this body, it is definitely paint grade only, or a very dark stain in my case.
The bridge pickup route seems out of whack with my bridge plate as well. Not square? I think it can be fixed later on though.
Still its something to practise on!
March 5th, 2007, 11:59 PM
What? ...you wanted me here Rathmann? ...fine HAR!
ya... I'm the guy gonna finish this guitar...
I'll stop on in and report my progress as I go...
One thing, think I'm gonna have to run a new channel from the neck pickup to the control cavity... fer the life of me, not sure how I'd run the wire as it stands... the buttercaster thread held the key... I'm going in through the neck route...
and yea, she's gonna be a solid color... haven't decided which color yet though... gonna venture down the the local auto-parts store tomorrow and sift through the shades of Duplicolor Truck, Van and SUV paint... that stuff is me secret weapon... works like a charm... and the colors rawk.
March 6th, 2007, 12:12 AM
...and in the event anyone is interested, here's a bit of my work ...and a bit of my junk ...this tele will be my first ...I haven't been fully taken over by the twang side yet ...still a bit of a gain freak I am ...so, we'll see how this plays out
March 6th, 2007, 12:50 AM
alright Rathmann... where you at? :confused:
March 6th, 2007, 02:08 AM
Hi there Defaultoprime,
I will be very interested in updates on yer project mate.
Neck socket probe is the route to go with! Ha ha!
March 6th, 2007, 02:18 AM
HAR! ...I attempted to bleach the top tonight ...thought maybe I could use the ash grain, but I didn't want the grain to be as dark as it was... I didn't take into account that this is not really a solid body guitar... ended up with a nice split in the top, right where two pieces of wood join up... it runs half the body length just below the f-hole... whoops :lol:
Not to fear... I have employed Gorrilla Glue and have it clamped...
by morning it'll be cool again... once I've worked it over and the paint is on, you'll never know... :razz:
March 6th, 2007, 08:27 AM
as expected... it's good again...
March 6th, 2007, 08:30 AM
Defaultoprime -- all you need to do in order to lighten it up is sand back the dark grain filler. And yeah -- that body will have a tendency to split a wee bit, I think.
March 6th, 2007, 09:19 AM
actually I did sand it back a whole bunch... didn't want to go any deeper... that's what led me to a bleaching attempt... it's that deep ash grain that's the culprit here... can't really get to all of that dark stuff... that's ok though...
March 9th, 2007, 10:05 PM
Any updates on the Thinline project?
March 9th, 2007, 10:55 PM
Any updates on the Thinline project?
not yet... I been concentrating on getting that new MIM tele up to snuff...
I'll probably get back on it tomorrow... hopefully I'll be able to get to the point where I can get it primed and ready to take paint...
March 11th, 2007, 01:38 AM
...got some work done on the thinline project ...fixed the crack, smoothed it out and applied a couple coats of black primer ...since the paint I've chosen is also black, I decided to throw the pickguard on it and take a pic, just to get an idea of what it's gonna look like ...the paint is a metal fleck black automotive paint and it's gonna get the gold hardware from the MIM tele, so there will be a bit of bling on the finished product... The middle pic is the area where the big crack was... still got a long way to go...
March 11th, 2007, 03:17 AM
Looks good so far.
Gold hardware should contrast well with black paint.
March 17th, 2007, 02:20 PM
Paint'n today! ...venturing out into uncharted waters :shock: ...it will be interesting to see what this looks like when it's all done...
March 18th, 2007, 08:43 AM
Good Luck with the painting mate.
March 18th, 2007, 10:44 PM
So far so good... the hard part cometh however...
March 19th, 2007, 02:10 AM
...this is gonna take some touchups, some wet sanding, a crap-load of clear and an uber-cure ...then I got the buffing to contend with
...forgive me though ...I'm absolutely making it up as I go here
...the purple shifts to bronze and then to gold ...the black is Duplicolor metal-fleck black ...it's pretty cool
March 19th, 2007, 03:10 AM
Wow! Looks great so far. Colour contrast is fantastic.
March 19th, 2007, 08:34 AM
Colour contrast is fantastic.
yea... better than I expected...
March 19th, 2007, 06:36 PM
Good lord, what have I been privvy to? Who'd a thunk that simple ash body that HAD been on its way to being a very conservative-looking dark natural finish would wind up BLACK WITH PURPLE FLAMES ON IT?
Certainly not I.
Of course you'll have to sand the binding back down -- and that should really make it pop even more.