dagger4
March 27th, 2006, 07:38 AM
Finally, I made a decision.
My HW1 Two Tone Sunburst needs a clear coat.
A local instrument and furniture painter spray's two components Poly. And it can be applied very thin, like 3 coats.
The HW1 finish is discussed in many topics.
I did not find an answer for the question for the type of Poly.
Is it Poly-ester, Poly-urethane. (Two component)
There was a topic with a link for the type of paint used for the HW1, and the type of poly for the standard American series. Unfortunately I lost the article.
And finally will the Poly layer spoil the nice resonant sound of my Tele. In some topics the Neck Body connection is the Key for Tone. So I will mask the Neck Route with tape before take to the painter. Good Idea?
Thanks
gottabeash
March 27th, 2006, 08:38 AM
i understood the hwy 1 guitar bodies to be finished in nitro and the necks of these guitars to be finished in poly. if so, i would go by lowes and pick up some deft high gloss in a spray can and coat the guitar myself. you can spray every 15 minutes or so and the can will only cost you like 7 bucks at the most. see "finishing 101" on the reranch page for more finishing instructions. good luck with your project.
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charlie chitlin
March 27th, 2006, 10:05 AM
Must be polyester.
If it was polyurethane, you could get it off without explosives.
jwells393
March 27th, 2006, 10:28 AM
I will second gottabeash's Deft recommendation ....and you can get it at Walmart for around $4.50 a can.
GTO
March 27th, 2006, 12:05 PM
The Highway 1 finish is an acrylic lacquer, not poly, not nitro. You 'should' be OK coating it with whatever clear you like, but as always, test in an inconspicuous place first.
dagger4
March 28th, 2006, 09:45 AM
Thanks for the replies.
Deft high gloss is hard to get in Western Europe.
Nitro spray is mostly forbidden for prof. use in the Netherlands.
I have some experience in spraying objects with spray cans.
The results where a bit cloudy and not a mirror like surface.
Some other TDPRI members did wonderful jobs with a spray can.
I guess I leave it to the professional painter.
The painter will sand the body 600-1200 and apply just 3 thin coats of Polyurethane.
And promised to keep the total layer as thin as possible.
I will post a picture.
GTO
March 28th, 2006, 04:55 PM
I would be very wary of anybody sanding a Highway 1 body with 600 grit wet'n'dry' before an overcoat of clear. Firstly, they don't know how thin the finish is before they start to scrub away at the colour coats of the 'burst. And secondly, also as they don't know how thin the finish is, they may go through the finish on the edges. This is a BAD idea. The other problem with most Highway 1 finishes is that there is a lot of 'orange peel' texture to the surface. If your painter tries to remove this before spraying you may well find they also remove parts of the translucent colour coats, leading to a mottled finish. The Highway 1 finish is thin to start with, so there isn't much to go at.
At most lightly scuff the surface with 1200 grit, and even then, with three thin coats, you may still show the scuff marks.
I would take a completely different approach. Forget the wet'n'dry. It will make next to no difference to the paint/clear adhering. Instead of insisting on thin coats, you need three 'full wet' coats. You need to ensure that the lacquer you are going to have applied is wet enough to 'self level' and pool (but without running). This will level out the aforesaid 'orange peel'. It then gives you a chance to rub down the final coat when dry and get a smooth surface, without rubbing through to the base coats, and minimizing the overall rubbing necessary. And painting a guitar body is very different from painting a car if runs are to be avoided. But if your painter has some skills, trust them to know how many coats are sufficient for a smooth surface. Artificially limiting them to three thin coats may be like telling Michael Schumacher to drive a Ford Focus in the next Grand Prix.
dagger4
March 29th, 2006, 03:40 AM
Wow, that advice was just on time :D
I made a quick Phone call to the painter, and he laughed.
His reply was, all you musicians are over protective about their Gear.
He did several Partscasters and Fenders before.
He was very pleased, with your advice for the HW1 finish. He has no experience with that finish.
Thanks, for telling me to let go.
And let the Painter do his job.
Best regards