houndog31
March 17th, 2006, 06:37 PM
I'm a bit of a delay rookie but what can I use to get a double track effect? Will a delay effect do the trick?
I'm thinking of David Gilmour's 3rd solo in "Money" where the solo is double tracked on the album.
Can this be done live in a simple way?
Thanks for your advice.
fakeocaster
March 17th, 2006, 10:25 PM
you need one echo at about 40 to 50 ms.
The best way to this is to set up a delay with one echo .Keep reducing the echo time until its difficult to tell the repeat from the original signal.Youre now in the right ball park
Tim Bowen
March 20th, 2006, 02:44 AM
30ms seems to be the magic number for me, but yeah, what fakeo said.
Psuedo "doubling" via delay peds definitely seems to be a lost art, if you look at the minimal ms offerings that current delay builders offer.
As with all things delay, clean amp likes pristine doubling with high end intact. As dealt more dirt (from amp, stomps), doubling benefits from having some high end rolloff available on the repeats. Severe doubling seems to best get along with single note syncopated lines, and regarding the highly accentuated stuff, double stops are cool, chords are basically 'no-go'.
As fakeo said, one repeat is the ticket. Otherwise, it sounds cartoonish.
JohnnyCrash
March 20th, 2006, 04:20 AM
A chorus pedal is the usual "two guitar" simulator.
A stereo chorus into two amps on either end of the stage is a real hoot for this as well.
I don't like effects myself, BUT I am going to go with a 2 amp setup and an ABY switch... just like in tracking, a clean amp coupled with a dirty amp sounds HUGE, for big song choruses I'll have both amps flying. For just a clean tone I'll switch on only one, for dirty the other.
TheGoodTexan
March 21st, 2006, 10:23 AM
Of course there are a lot of great delay pedals that will do what you're asking for, but I've had great results with the Rocktron Tsunami.
http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/RocktronTsunamiChorusBig.jpg
Here's the description:
The Rocktron Tsunami™ analog stereo chorus offers the much sought-after warmth and richness of the vintage favorites. Ultra-rugged construction and unique imaging make it destined to become a real Rocktron classic.
The dual switch setup features depth, rate and delay for chorus; while our exclusive "Ambience" control allows 0ms-30ms of carefully contoured room delay, which is great for creating a huge stereo spread or "doubled" sound.
The Tsunami's heavy-duty extruded metal chassis is built to take a beating with counter-sunk controls and sturdy switches. No cheap plastic here! Like all Rocktron effects, signal integrity is maintained by providing a direct signal path, with the effect making the Tsunami one of the only chorus pedals that works well for both clean and super-saturated tones. The finely dampened chorus will not get "tinny" or "thin", but rather creates a lush new dimension for your all-important tone.
The Tsunami may be powered by a 9V battery, or optional AC adapter.
This pedal absolutely nails EVH's Drop Dead Legs, which is not doubled guitars in the studio, but rather a panned delay around 20ms.
The key to the whole thing is to use two amps. That can suck, having to cart them around, but it works. BTW....I'm not a big fan of stereo chorus with overdriven tones. I think that it washes out the organic feel of a good grit. Just using stereo chorus will not get you the tone that you're looking for.
Also, I've never had a problem playing single notes or full chords with this set up. In fact, its fun to grab a big full power chord with the delay off, then turn it on in the middle of the chord. If you're running two amps, you'll swear that someone picked one up and moved it over about 5 feet. It sounds huge.