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fender pro reverb silverface

gator19482005
March 1st, 2006, 01:54 AM
i just scored a silverface pro reverb fpr 150 bucks. works great and sounds good to boot . but i have been reading and something jsut aint right fender told me it is around a 1978 . they dated the transformers. 606 8 12 .but i have been reading that the 1978 pro reverbs have a solid state rectifier and a master volume. mine dont have either it it all tube and no master volume and it says 40 watts on the speaker jack. can some one enlighten me here . it has reverb and vibrato , 2 12inch fender utah speakers . 2 channel

ThermionicScott
March 1st, 2006, 01:57 AM
According to the Fender Amp Field Guide (http://www.ampwares.com/ffg/pro_reverb_sf.html), they all had tube rectifiers. I'm guessing yours is a '76 or earlier.

Vol. Knob
March 1st, 2006, 02:37 AM
Does yours look anything like this?

This one is a '72. I've had it BF'd by a tech and I've loaded it with Eminence Cannibas Rex speakers.

Non Master, Tube Rectifier, 40 watts, etc.

http://www.tdpri.com/telephoto/data/539/medium/DSCF1202.JPG

tazzboy
March 1st, 2006, 02:38 AM
Yeah Fender didn't do away with the Rectififer on the Pro Reverb until it got brought back with Single 12" C12N speaker.

Robin Nahum
March 1st, 2006, 03:31 AM
i just scored a silverface pro reverb fpr 150 bucks. works great and sounds good to boot . but i have been reading and something jsut aint right fender told me it is around a 1978 . they dated the transformers. 606 8 12 .but i have been reading that the 1978 pro reverbs have a solid state rectifier and a master volume. mine dont have either it it all tube and no master volume and it says 40 watts on the speaker jack. can some one enlighten me here . it has reverb and vibrato , 2 12inch fender utah speakers . 2 channel

The 70 watt models that came out from about 78 had a SS rectifier and mid-range EQ as well as MV. However tube rectifier models with the master volume and no midrange EQ started appearing from about 74. I think you have got yourself a pre-MV at a great price. Does it have an aluminium strip around the edge of the speaker cloth? If yes, it is a 68-69. If not, it is a 70-73.

What is the serial number on the back panel? Greg Gagliano has a date-abase that might be useful.

oilerman
March 1st, 2006, 12:34 PM
Hi guys. my brother has one of these; sure it's a 1980.
plays great and is absolute mint. his has the mv.
he payed alot more than 150. not sure what most guys
think of the pro from that year but i think it sounds great
and never anything done to it. still same tubes.

gator19482005
March 3rd, 2006, 03:20 AM
mine has no master volume , no mid , it does have the silver ring around the grill cloth . the serial number is a12179. it look a like the one in the pic just with the stuff i mentioned above.fender told me it was a 78 cause of the date on the traany but when i read the date gudie on fender.com it says 8 would be 1968 . i think he got it messed up. it seems more like a 68 to me.

how would you get a nice over dirve like a brad paisley sound out of this amp. i ordered a digitech main squezze compressor and a digidelay also a ts5 tube screamer. what else would i need like a blue diver or something .or a hot plate?

Tremo
March 3rd, 2006, 03:44 AM
mine has no master volume , no mid , it does have the silver ring around the grill cloth . the serial number is a12179. it look a like the one in the pic just with the stuff i mentioned above.fender told me it was a 78 cause of the date on the traany but when i read the date gudie on fender.com it says 8 would be 1968 . i think he got it messed up. it seems more like a 68 to me.

how would you get a nice over dirve like a brad paisley sound out of this amp. i ordered a digitech main squezze compressor and a digidelay also a ts5 tube screamer. what else would i need like a blue diver or something .or a hot plate?

Silver ring around the grille? You have a 68, not a 78. Fender has forgotten their legacy, they're clueless today.

Paisley plays Dr. Z amps. They're voiced completely different than a Fender. Don't get carried away with too much nonsense pedals. Learn to play and forget that crap. If you want Paisley tone, get a Z.

With that said, a 68 Pro Reverb can be a mighty fine amp with some massaging. Cap job, new tubes, BF mod, elbow grease to clean it up, and of course a pair of Weber speakers.

trag-o-caster
March 3rd, 2006, 08:54 AM
Gone over by our own Tim Swartz (thanks!).

Two Celestion G12H-80's, BF'd, and a cap job later, and both Tim and I thought that it was one of the best sounding Pro Reverbs we've ever heard.

It's a 1973 BTW.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d29/timothylamb/Gear%20pics/73ProReverbre-sized.jpg

Robin Nahum
March 3rd, 2006, 03:35 PM
mine has no master volume , no mid , it does have the silver ring around the grill cloth . the serial number is a12179. it look a like the one in the pic just with the stuff i mentioned above.fender told me it was a 78 cause of the date on the traany but when i read the date gudie on fender.com it says 8 would be 1968 . i think he got it messed up. it seems more like a 68 to me.

You done good. :)

Pros are great amps. I second Tremo's suggestion.

Is there a tube chart inside the back of the cab? Depending on whether its says AA165 or AB668 you have a blackface circuit if 65, or early silverface if 68 (not all that different).

Vol. Knob
March 4th, 2006, 07:41 PM
The other guitarist in my band also plays a Pro Reverb ('65), the only thing he uses is a Tube Screamer and his tone is astounding (despite his lack of telecasters). In my opinion, you don't need much in the way of pedals with these. Perhaps a clean boost do drive the preamp, an overdrive if you like overdrive, etc. Whatever you like to use for wah or vibro, if it's your thing. But at around 40 watts these things are not too loud, like a Twin. It's perfect for a small to medium sized gig, just dial it up to around 7 (volume) and control your grit from the guitars volume knob.

I gotta say you got an amazing deal on this amp dude. $150 is a steal. I've seen clean early silverface Pro Reverbs go for $900. I traded a case of beer for the pawn ticket on mine, so I spent only $300 on it before I lost it in a divorce and eventually bought it back from an Ex-Stepson for another $300. So in the end, $612.

My favorite pedal to use with my Pro Reverb is a Boss Loop Station. It also can be used as a boost.

Tremo
March 4th, 2006, 07:54 PM
Also, the real nice thing about 68s is, the earliest ones, are still AB763 BF inside. No mods needed, only normal service! Later ones, are of course, the 568 circuit, which definitely needs some help!

trag-o-caster
March 4th, 2006, 11:46 PM
Later ones, are of course, the 568 circuit, which definitely needs some help!

Perhaps the MV, and UL transformer models. However my 73 sounded most excellent before the BF mod. The difference was very subtle. I did a lot of gigging with it before the mod. Great either way, although YMMV - of course.

KBR
March 5th, 2006, 02:44 PM
I like, and have owned a few Pro Reverb amps.
OPT is small, but if you want some JLO bottom, get a mojo Multi tap Bassman/Super Reverb OPT.

Tremo always gives good advice, I have known him since 1993.
Tim S is also Knowledgable (sp) Good!

IMHO,
KBR

blue metalflake
March 5th, 2006, 05:32 PM
Fantastic bargain at that sort of money.

Your set up sounds just like my '74 version. I gigged this hard till 1989 with no problems except the occasional broken wire in the reverb tank. Also dabbled at pedal steel for a while, and it was the business for that too.

I always felt it was a baby twin and just the job for anything but a really big gig. I still have mine, and it does a house amp just fine.

gator19482005
March 5th, 2006, 06:38 PM
any tubes tht would give a little hair at low volumes . like around 3 or 4 vol.

also what kinda tone woud you get with a set of blue alnico . either clestion or weber?

tazzboy
March 5th, 2006, 07:01 PM
any tubes tht would give a little hair at low volumes . like around 3 or 4 vol.

also what kinda tone woud you get with a set of blue alnico . either clestion or weber?

If money is an issue I would go with Ted Weber Silver Bell and get them at 30 watts per speaker which are $170 a piece.

If money isn't an issue I would get the Celestion Gold Alnico that are 50 watts. I don't know what the price is going to be, but I believe it will probably be right around the $249.99 that Alnico blues are.

Tremo
March 5th, 2006, 08:20 PM
If you want the thing to start breaking up at 3 or 4, you want a radical reduction in headroom. So you'd want the cheeziest and wimpyest of the 6L6s, like maybe the Chinese coke bottle versions like Mesa used to use. Also to reduce headroom, you could try a lossier rectifier like a 5R4.

You could also go with a pair of JJ 6V6s and the 5R4.

Then go for cheapo inefficient speakers like 70s era Oxfarts or 70s era Eminence.

gator19482005
March 5th, 2006, 08:46 PM
i want a little grit around 3 or 4 cause i play in my house. i dont have a band so i never gig. i dont turn it past 4 cause it gets loud . so if i can some how get some grit out of it that would be kool. cause cranked it is still clean .so i dont think a hot plate will work .

benmeza
March 6th, 2006, 02:35 AM
You really can't do too much to it to get it to dirty up on it's own. It's warm and clean pretty much all the way up unless you have it above 8.5 and are really digging in.

That being said, the Kendrick book on Hip Vintage Guitar Amps has a chapter covering tips to tweak your Pro Reverb. If I remember correctly, you should be able to try most of those tips on your model of PR. It won't give you a gainy amp by any stretch of the imagination, but it might give you a little more than what you got. There were some tips about pulling a tube from one stage and putting it in the tube slot in another stage...things like that. I would tell you, but I am on the road for the next few weeks and my book is at home. Sorry :-(

Maybe someone else here has a copy....

Tremo
March 6th, 2006, 03:04 AM
i want a little grit around 3 or 4 cause i play in my house. i dont have a band so i never gig. i dont turn it past 4 cause it gets loud . so if i can some how get some grit out of it that would be kool. cause cranked it is still clean .so i dont think a hot plate will work .

No band and never gig? Dood, you need a Princeton Reverb, not a Pro Reverb. a Princeton is much more bedroom friendly. A Pro belongs on a stage somewhere.

How about some of those yellow jacket things?

TT100
March 6th, 2006, 09:58 PM
Great amp! I have a blackline '68 Pro R. These are THE vintage Fender sleeper. The "Baby Twin."

What you're describing is what the amp is. The only way you're going to get overdrive out of it without shaking the walls is put a pedal in front of it. At about 4-5 on mine the gorgeous cleans start to give way to a killer blues overdrive. There's a lot of volume change between 3 and 4 and between 4 and 5 it grows hair. After 5 it's all tube and OT and up to about 7 it just gets bigger.

The output transformer is considered a bit small for the amp (same as the VR?) and saturates early, adding to the great, fat sound.

For speakers I've run 35watt Eminence Legend 122 alnicos, a pair of '65 Jensen C12Qs and now have the best combination for my needs, a pair of Weber 12F150s. Both 25 watt, no dope and one is a "T" for that C12Q sparkle.

Tubes will make a little difference and I've found that old GE 6L6GCs break up earlier than the Sylvanias and Westinghouse I've tried. Still, it's going to be LOUD!

To get breakup at a more reasonable, but still LOUD, home volume, I put a Barber LTD in between my P90 Les Paul goldtop and the vibrato channel.

A NFB mod will loosen it up a bit but It's never going to be a low volume, hi-gain practice amp so please don't screw it up trying. Also, pulling the 12AX7 in V1, the preamp for the normal channel, doesn't do much to increase gain in the Vib channel.

Where the heck did you find it for $150? Honestly, if the amp isn't what you need, you can easily make $700+ depending on condition and find yourself a lower powered amp for home use. If you're intent on keeping it, get a couple of pedals and you'll be grinning from ear to ear.

JMHO, FWIW and YMMV of course.

TT

gator19482005
March 7th, 2006, 03:35 AM
i dont want a high gain amp i just want a little breakup . kinda like a brad paisley thing. not a mini z breakup but a. fuzz or hair. whats a good cheap pedal that will not effect the tone but give a little grit . i would trade a digitech x series compressor .

TT100
March 7th, 2006, 03:44 PM
If you're just looking for a little grit or OD I recommend what I'm using, the Barber LTD. It's a "low gain" pedal and superb at what it does.

I got mine on ebay for $85. Check

Barberelectronics.com

TT

gator19482005
March 8th, 2006, 03:10 AM
here are some pics

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Tremo
March 8th, 2006, 04:10 PM
here are some pics

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Ouch, looks like you have Utah speakers, and those really crappy low end old style Chinese or Russian 6L6s.

You know, if you really want to knock down the headroom, throw in a pair of JJ 6V6s, and a 5Y3 rectifier, and rebias.

Vol. Knob
March 9th, 2006, 12:38 PM
Mine had the original Utah speakers. One was blown, the other was weak and flabby. So I loaded it with a pair of Eminance Cannibas Rex speakers. Now I can be the first kid on my block to make that "Smokin Tone" joke. They give up some great tone, lots of good lows and low mids. Loud too. A little dark sounding, but that works with my style of tele plucking.

http://www.tdpri.com/telephoto/data/500/medium/DSCF1217.JPG

Paul V
November 21st, 2008, 08:42 PM
Just bought a 1968, according to the seller, Silverface Pro Reverb and am waiting for it to arrive. They said the tube chart reads that it's an AA165 circuit. Some places say that's possible, but is it possible that it could be a later circuit, even though the AA165 chart is pasted in there? Did they ever do that or were they fairly strict in what they pasted into the amp?

Either way, I'll have it looked at and blackfaced, if necessary.

BluesDay
April 11th, 2009, 10:20 PM
<<Some places say that's possible, but is it possible that it could be a later circuit, even though the AA165 chart is pasted in there?>>
I think your referring to the belief that AA165 s/b blackfaced? I have what I think is an untampered with ProReverb and it has a silverface but reads AA165 on the inside label. So for what its worth I think they did that back then. Still trying to date mine though...

telerocker5150
October 29th, 2009, 07:35 PM
TYPO! I mistyped. I meant to say about 750$ for the amp! It is a 1976 model with master volume. I apologize to be so misleading. The amp is all original and in good condition (Needs new tubes badly).

telerocker5150
October 29th, 2009, 07:36 PM
Wait nevermind, i meant to post this on another forum topic. disregard the above message.

tatittle
June 30th, 2010, 07:07 PM
I think the code 606 8 12 translates into:
Fender (606)
1968 (8)
12th week of 1968= March/April (12)

If I am not mistaken Pro Reverbs had the Blackface circuit until about midway through 1968 (it may be 1967). If you got a Blackface for $150. somebody upstairs is smiling on you!

tazzboy
June 30th, 2010, 09:42 PM
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e294/tazzboy77/Misc/holy20thread20resurrection.jpg

fezz parka
June 30th, 2010, 10:06 PM
http://www.lilypix.com/photos/data/71ad16ad2c4d81f348082ff6c4b20768/2344_p45989.jpg

eddiewagner
July 1st, 2010, 04:11 AM
i just scored a silverface pro reverb fpr 150 bucks. l
great, great deal man, congratulations. i play a pro reverb for some time now and it is the greatest amp i ever had. works extremely well with my sparkle drive. eddie

ouch, i did not see this: http://www.lilypix.com/photos/data/71ad16ad2c4d81f348082ff6c4b20768/2344_p45989.jpg

gator19482005
July 1st, 2010, 02:12 PM
i turned around and sold it to a guy on the dr.z forum for $900. kicking myself now.

tatittle
August 14th, 2010, 09:39 AM
Indeed I believe the 40 watt SDF Pro Reverbs are the Blackface specs! So you scored...someone up there likes you!

The A1069 and other changes are 45 watts I believe, with the SS rect's being 70 watts.

Chris S.
August 14th, 2010, 02:23 PM
Despite a couple of resurrections, this is basically a four year old thread. If you want to talk about SF PRs, please start a new one. Thx, Mod.