Pedal layout what would you cange about the order.

Realize I am doing this with my iPad, might look like crap. Here is the questions. What would you change as far as order of the pedals. I realize some are cheap so let's not go there they will get changed out as I progress. Haven't tested the power yet but I don't plan on changing it soon. The power is on two daisy chained APC surge protectors hanging off of a Furman power conditioner. And if I am crazy tell me. :). The Marshall is just hanging off the Swirlpool as a test I can change any of the pedals out at any time to loop off of that. So here they are!



Pedal list
Korg PB-02 PitchBlack Tuner 600ma 1spot done
Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor 500ma 1spot done
Wampler Ego Compressor 33ma 1spot done
Rockett Pedals Blue Note Overdrive 500ma Own Power Supply done
Vox Ice 9 Overdrive 400 ma 1 spot done
Marshall Gov'Nor Plus 9ma 1spot start new 1spot done
Eagletone OTD-100 Distortion 1200ma Own Power Supply done
Eagletone FL-8 Flanger 200ma 1spot done
TC Electronics Trinity Reverb 100 ma 1spot
Joyo Ultimate Octave Fuzz 1spot done
DeviEver USA Fuzz 300ma Own PS Not 1spot compatible done
Amptweaker Swirlpool Tremolo/Vibrato 18 volt Own Power Supply
MXR Stereo Chorus 18 volt Own Power Supply
MXR 10 Band EQ 18 volt Own Power Supply
Ernie Ball Wah Pedal 300 ma Own Power Supply
Digitech Polyphonic Whammy DT Pedal 1300ma Own Power Supply done
Korg XVP-10 Stereo Expression/Volume Pedal use with Delay
Vox Delaylab 200 ma 1spot
Digitech FS3X 3 Button Footswitch done

Boss NS-2 OD 1st pedal input jack is for guitar
Boss NS-2 OD 1st pedal Send jack into Korg PitchBlack PB-02 input (guitar input a)
Boss NS-2 OD 1st pedal output jack goes to Amptweaker Swirlpool trem input
Boss NS-2 OD 1st pedal Return jack comes from Eagletone Fl-8 Flanger
Korg PitchBlack 2nd pedal output jack (labeled bypass) goes to input of Morley Buffer Boost input
Morley Buffer Boost 3rd pedal output jack goes to Wampler Ego Compressor input
Wampler Ego Compressor 4th pedal Output to Ernie Ball Wah input
Ernie Ball Wah 5th pedal Output to input of Digitech DT Whammy
Digitech DT Whammy 6th pedal output to input of Vox Ice 9 OD
Digitech DT Whammy 6th pedal footswitch jack to Digitech FS3X 3 Button Footswitch
Vox Ice 9 OD 7th pedal output to input of Rockett Pedals Blue Note OD1
Rockett Pedals Blue Note Overdrive 8th pedal output to input of Eagletone OTD-100 Distortion
Eagletone OTD-100 Distortion 9th pedal output to input of Devi Ever USA Fuzz
Devi Ever USA Fuzz 10th pedal output to input of Joyo Ultimate Octave Fuzz
Joyo Ultimate Octave Fuzz 11th pedal to input of MXR Stereo Chorus
MXR Stereo Chorus 12th pedal output to input of Eagletone FL-8 Flanger
Eagletone FL-8 Flanger 13th pedal output to Boss NS-2 OD return jack.
Amptweaker Swirlpool 14th pedal input to Boss NS-2 OD output jack
Amptweaker Swirlpool 14th pedal Universal Loop Send to Marshall Gov'Nor Plus input
Marshall Gov'Nor Plus 15th pedal to Amptweaker Swirlpool Universal Loop Return
Amptweaker Swirlpool 14th pedal output to TC Electronics Trinity Reverb input
TC Electronics Trinity Reverb 16th Pedal output to Vox Delaylab Left Input Mono Jack (with the pedal input on the left)
Vox Delaylab 17th Pedal Control Pedal Right Output Mono to Korg XVP-10 Output 1
Korg XVP-10 18th Pedal Output 2 to Fender Twin Reverb

No answers? I would have expected someone to say I have too much on the board :)

There is a possibility you are crazy. :shock: :lol: Welcome!

Yeah, I think your board just sounds mind-boggling to many of us here, and given the complexity of the routing and wide variety of effects, very few people are going to be able to give you a more-informed opinion than your own.

That said, some quick takes, JMO -

I like delay before reverb, myself - reverbing up an echo rather than echoing a mushy cloud of reverb, so to speak.

I would run my noise suppression last, and definitely after compression. I can kinda understand what might be your theory - eliminate noise first, and there is less to raise up with comp. I suggest letting the comp get your unfiltered guitar signal (noise gates can clip notes as they trail off, kinda the opposite of a compressor), and then filter the noise out after dirt (pedals will also likely raise the noise floor) instead.

I like wah before comp - seems to smooth out the frequencies if you use both at the same time.

I'd like something buffered early in the chain - thinking maybe the whammy?

I'd probably lose the eq (unless it is doing a specific job like sculpting another pedal, even then, I'd be looking at the fish n'chips for size and buffer, or simply replacing the sculptee pedal) and get my tone at the amp.

If you place the whammy before the devi fuzz, is the ultimate octave extraneous?

Does that devi fuzz sound different first in your chain? If you haven't tried it, do.

Personally, in general, I would so something like:
wah--->tuner--->comp--->whammy--->flanger (i like this and uni-vibe before dirt) ---> dirt (high to low gain, generally) ---> chorus -->trem/vibrato--->delay--->reverb--->noise suppression--->amp

That's what I got, hope it helps in some way. Good luck man!

Your chain looks fine, to me. If a little complex, but if that's what works for you, then all good.

Personally, though - for that quanitity of pedals with that complex a chain, I would ditch the daisy chaining for one or two Pedal Power 2's, apart from those pedals that require their own sources of power *specifically*. By using the daisy chain method from the Pitchblack, for example, you're basically exhausting a 1 spot, and still having to find another source for, say, the Devi pedal, which you can easily run off the Pedal Power. Using a PP will not only allow you to use more pedals in future, but also give you a safer, cleaner-sounding power source than daisy chains. I know you said you're happy with your power, but... Just my two pence.

FWIW, I'm not anti-Daisy Chains at all, but a large number of differently hungry pedals make it a much better option, even with a Power Conditioner. IMVHO!

You have too much on the board.

^ This. Ha. Fezz, I think we need the "knowledge/wisdom" pic again.

To be fair, there's a few OD's, a dist and fuzz, an EQ and comp, some mod and some treadle-based stuff - if you look at, say, a touring cover band guitarist's board, or a medium-sized board on TGP or even Harmony Central, it's not that big. It's just the way it's laid out that's complicated.

"Too many" pedals for one is "not enough" for another.

Sounds like quite a board you have. In terms of general order, I would start with the following and tweak to your own needs:

tuner -> pitch/wah -> fuzz -> comp -> OD/dist -> EQ -> chorus/flanger/trem -> volume ->delay -> verb -> amp

BTW, I think your power/current specs are off for each pedal. 600ma for a tuner? OD, distortion, and Fuzz pedals should need no more than 50ma or so. You can probably daisy chain most of your pedals using your One Spot.

You are really NOT happy with your sound huh?

I don't think I had near that many pedals in my store for sale on the best day. Sheesh.

Try a li'l delay, a li'l compression, a li'l pitch changing and wave shaping. and if you must a small or smalller still overdrive/distortion. Then no more than 2 on at once. Li'l like in SALT a little itty tiny bit.

guitar > into small tube amp, dials at 5-7. directly... hmm too ez.

Ok here are 4 things you can do to an input signal. You can amplify/enlarge it (Odrive/Distortion). You can create a second signal and add or subtract it as needed (Trem, delay, rev, phase shift). You can change the shape of the wave (sine, sawtooth etc via waveform generator of sorts) and finally you can change the perceived difference im amplitude from loud to quiet (Compression).

Beyond that it is mostly redundant, Hi tech electronics fellas might give you a more complete understanding. 4-5 pedal gives you all the choices.

^ This. Ha. Fezz, I think we need the "knowledge/wisdom" pic again.

Here ya go:
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Thanks a bunch guys, I wanted some input before I tested all this. The DeviEver USA fuzz was a prize. The Joyo actually kicks ass to me, some dont like it, to each their own, I tested it in my apartment with the plates shaking in the cupboard and the little old lady next door beating on the wall.

My Fender Twin has a lot of clean, as you know to bring out some dirt I felt the tube distortion is required, all the Overdrives won't be on at once. I also need some time to figure out the Swirlpool it's one half Trem and one half Vibe and a new addition to my board. Marshall is just there to test the Swirlpool after that Who knows. As far as me being crazy? Ha, yup women drove me there long ago. So yes my amp is clean but I am just a Dirty White Boy.

I appreciate all your feedback. Thanks Again brothers.
Brett

BTW, I think your power/current specs are off for each pedal. 600ma for a tuner? OD, distortion, and Fuzz pedals should need no more than 50ma or so. You can probably daisy chain most of your pedals using your One Spot.

That draw is based on using the Pitchblack as a tuner and a subsequant power source for daisy chaining from, not just being used as a tuner, that's why I made the point about not running out of One Spots. Some of the current draws for the other stuff is also wrong - if a Blue Note draws 500ma, then it's not an overdrive pedal, basically. That's over 10 times more than an Ethos Overdrive runs at and that's about the most... "involved" an OD pedals gets!
I still think that running all that from One Spots is an invitation to noise - the hissy kind, not the rock n roll kind.

I've always preferred pitch-tracking effects like the Whammy to go right at the front, although hitting it with the compressor gives it a stronger signal to track from, especially on long notes.

Everything looks in a pretty sensible order to me - I'd echo the suggestion about placing the delay before the reverb, sounds a bit tidier that way as the delayed reverb tails can really muddy things up.

Also, I use my volume pedal after all my tone shaping effects but before my delay and reverbs - I like to use it for swell effects into a big delay occasionally, so I feel it's more use there than at the end of the chain. If you're just treating it as a master volume under your feet, then it's fine where it is.

All in all, looks good to me! It's only too many pedals if it's too many for you! If you need them and are making use of them all then it's right. My board is almost as big as yours but I'm playing in a function band covering a wide range of songs from the last six decades so it all gets used on a typical gig. I might try and downsize it soon just to save me the big carry, would be an interesting experiment to see how far I could cut it down!

I realize the power settings might be off. I just go by what wonderful items are out there on the web and we all know how good that info can be ( eye roll ). The. PitchBlack has an outlet or 2 to hang other pedals off of it. I could get better readings with a multimeter but I am not that precise. I did a power study on 3 data enters and had to have an argument with someone over it. Basically some people thought you just multiply the watts x amps to equal volts from what the power supply is rated to get the measurement they desire. It's incorrect and there is a burst of power for a split second as a device starts. If you base your power on the previous stat for air handling units you could hang meat in the data centers it would be so cold.

So back to the pedals. My 2 1spot will cover the rest of the units I don't have wall warts for. In a perfect world I would have those isolated jacks from a voodoo box but my funds are limited at this time. If it sounds like crap, I will pull out all but two OD, or run the whole chain through the Swirlpool cutting it down to one OD.

The Korg is being used off the Vox Delaylab as an expression pedal, it also doubles as a volume pedal. I ordered the Delaylab and it was so new that I didn't know what I could use. That freaking Korg pedal is ridiculous in size, and since my signal is mono I might use the smaller Korg expression pedal that was also on the list from Vox but it is made out of Plastic and if there is one thing I hate, it's PLASTIC. Breaks and gives up on you at the least opportune moment. If I could step on the expression pedal and make everyone in the crowd smile would it be wrong?

And one last thing, Fezz I have played with one pedal and listened to more bands than I care to remember where every song is using the same effects and to me It and their music is boring as hell. If there is a pedal on my board, I have listened to the tones and it sounds great to me :) If no one else likes it well I can stand behind chicken wire like in the blues brothers ha.

Meh. What about all of the pre-pedal players? What "effects"?
It's about music/the song, not effects.
If the song is crap, or the presentation is crap, well it's crap. No band-aid in a hammond 1290 box can de-stink crap.:lol:

Prepedal players, you mean Rednecks! Blues players, some of those yes they had some talent. Lapsteel on a stick yes very exciting. Not. Go play with yer buddy Festus. Read this while your at it if in you can. http://www.joke-archives.com/redneck/countrymusicterms.html

You're very clever. Not.:lol:

No I mean Jimmy Bryant, Steve Cropper, Cornell Dupree, James Burton, Luther Perkins, Big Jim Sullivan, Howard Roberts, Tommy Tedesco, Jerry Reed, Albert Collins, Roy Nichols, Don Rich, Gatemouth Brown, Robbie Robertson, Roy Buchanan, Mike Bloomfield...

BTW, Festus was in Gunsmoke.:cool:

Realize I am doing this with my iPad, might look like crap. Here is the questions. What would you change as far as order of the pedals. I realize some are cheap so let's not go there they will get changed out as I progress. Haven't tested the power yet but I don't plan on changing it soon. The power is on two daisy chained APC surge protectors hanging off of a Furman power conditioner. And if I am crazy tell me. :). The Marshall is just hanging off the Swirlpool as a test I can change any of the pedals out at any time to loop off of that. So here they are!

Pedal list
Korg PB-02 PitchBlack Tuner 600ma 1spot done
Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor 500ma 1spot done
Wampler Ego Compressor 33ma 1spot done
Rockett Pedals Blue Note Overdrive 500ma Own Power Supply done
Vox Ice 9 Overdrive 400 ma 1 spot done
Marshall Gov'Nor Plus 9ma 1spot start new 1spot done
Eagletone OTD-100 Distortion 1200ma Own Power Supply done
Eagletone FL-8 Flanger 200ma 1spot done
TC Electronics Trinity Reverb 100 ma 1spot
Joyo Ultimate Octave Fuzz 1spot done
DeviEver USA Fuzz 300ma Own PS Not 1spot compatible done
Amptweaker Swirlpool Tremolo/Vibrato 18 volt Own Power Supply
MXR Stereo Chorus 18 volt Own Power Supply
MXR 10 Band EQ 18 volt Own Power Supply
Ernie Ball Wah Pedal 300 ma Own Power Supply
Digitech Polyphonic Whammy DT Pedal 1300ma Own Power Supply done
Korg XVP-10 Stereo Expression/Volume Pedal use with Delay
Vox Delaylab 200 ma 1spot
Digitech FS3X 3 Button Footswitch done

Boss NS-2 OD 1st pedal input jack is for guitar
Boss NS-2 OD 1st pedal Send jack into Korg PitchBlack PB-02 input (guitar input a)
Boss NS-2 OD 1st pedal output jack goes to Amptweaker Swirlpool trem input
Boss NS-2 OD 1st pedal Return jack comes from Eagletone Fl-8 Flanger
Korg PitchBlack 2nd pedal output jack (labeled bypass) goes to input of Morley Buffer Boost input
Morley Buffer Boost 3rd pedal output jack goes to Wampler Ego Compressor input
Wampler Ego Compressor 4th pedal Output to Ernie Ball Wah input
Ernie Ball Wah 5th pedal Output to input of Digitech DT Whammy
Digitech DT Whammy 6th pedal output to input of Vox Ice 9 OD
Digitech DT Whammy 6th pedal footswitch jack to Digitech FS3X 3 Button Footswitch
Vox Ice 9 OD 7th pedal output to input of Rockett Pedals Blue Note OD1
Rockett Pedals Blue Note Overdrive 8th pedal output to input of Eagletone OTD-100 Distortion
Eagletone OTD-100 Distortion 9th pedal output to input of Devi Ever USA Fuzz
Devi Ever USA Fuzz 10th pedal output to input of Joyo Ultimate Octave Fuzz
Joyo Ultimate Octave Fuzz 11th pedal to input of MXR Stereo Chorus
MXR Stereo Chorus 12th pedal output to input of Eagletone FL-8 Flanger
Eagletone FL-8 Flanger 13th pedal output to Boss NS-2 OD return jack.
Amptweaker Swirlpool 14th pedal input to Boss NS-2 OD output jack
Amptweaker Swirlpool 14th pedal Universal Loop Send to Marshall Gov'Nor Plus input
Marshall Gov'Nor Plus 15th pedal to Amptweaker Swirlpool Universal Loop Return
Amptweaker Swirlpool 14th pedal output to TC Electronics Trinity Reverb input
TC Electronics Trinity Reverb 16th Pedal output to Vox Delaylab Left Input Mono Jack (with the pedal input on the left)
Vox Delaylab 17th Pedal Control Pedal Right Output Mono to Korg XVP-10 Output 1
Korg XVP-10 18th Pedal Output 2 to Fender Twin Reverb

You are kidding with this many pedals, right?

First thing I would do is sale all of the pedals..

My pedal layout at home is much larger and for sound quality and stereo routing it's very complicated. I love pedals and options and have the room. I'll even use two of the same pedal, set differently, or one into another even. But that many pedals IMO requires alot of loopers, personally modified truebypass pedals and strategically placed pedals with buffers.
I try to use one set of 1Spot plugs to an effect, for example OD/dist, one for chorus, one for delays/ reverb. My theory is that I'm less likely to have more than 3 effects on at any one time per 1Spot. U will want to switch to conditioned power in the future.

The problem shows up when someone else wants to play my set up. They need a guide.

When I leave the house to play, I find I can make it on a handful of effects, no board needed.

you have two pitchblacks?

Geez, that's a whole lotta pedals Brett!!! Double the size of my board, and mine is considered large and complicated by my buddies!

I've always thought of pedals as colors on an artist's palette... hence my love affair with od pedals (at least the ones I've got!) but I've played old school with a tweed Fender amp many times too. Fezz is right about simpler-usually better, but my dilemma is that I can't afford to have all the amps with mol the same tone and breakup characteristics, in 3db increments... so I run 1 of 2 clean amps, and depend on the pedals for everything else... I also have to use a backline from time to time, so I'm at the mercy of whatever's there.

That said, I'd love to slim it down to 5 pedals (tuner, boost, Tubescreamer, OCD-ish, tremolo) but the music I play in clubs demands more tonal variety... ahh, such is life...

Franc Robert

This and a cord:
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so you don't like pedals. we get it. move on. does it make you feel better to talk about someone else's tools?

Just get as many pedals as you can and arrange them in alphabetical order.

It'll help you find them later.

Fezz changed his Hoss Cartwright photo after all the redneck hassling. Must have gotten all riled up. I forgot to add the 8 band MXR Chorus as the last pedal before the amp. Almost done cabling them, power is another story, running it out of a couple of tubs I can put my amp on. Been flogging the dog playing an old Ps2 game I was trying to and succeeded in beating. All guitars and CCNA now with Rocksmith thrown in the mix as well.

I'm not buying the OP. No pictures, no pedals.

C'mon, let's see that board!

I'm not buying the OP. No pictures, no pedals.

C'mon, let's see that board!

I welcome the sceptic.

Fezz changed his Hoss Cartwright photo after all the redneck hassling. Must have gotten all riled up.

:lol:

If you think redneck hassling would get me riled up, you don't know me very well.:twisted:

By the time your signal reaches the amp with all them pedals, you could play a Hannah Montana guitar and it would sound the same as a good tele.
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