Punk Rock

So who here listens to Punk. I know punk is supposed to be a bunch of crappy musicians, and even crappier music, but I love it. Maybe I just suck at guitar :eek:. Anyway, anyone check out the new NOFX singles?

I not a huge punk fan, but I did go and see Refused a couple of weeks ago in Toronto. First hardcore punk show I've been to. My friend had an extra ticket and asked me to go.

I really liked it and thought the music was fantastic, definitely worth checking out.

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Is that Punk? If it is, yes

Or do you mean something like this?

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dangerous stuff

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I posted this video on another punk thread a couple of days ago, but here you go! Here's an old punk band playing awsome and composing even better!

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and this one's hard to beat :twisted:

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NOFX is great!

How about the Methadones...

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When I think of punk, I think of this:

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How about some old-school Boston hardcore.

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Can't believe I'm the first to post this:

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For some reason, the punk purists want to write this band out of the history. Probably because they wrote great songs:

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And who can forget the Dead Kennedys? :twisted:

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Well if your going to mention The Stranglers...

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The only punk im familiar with is the Irish stuff like Dropkick and Flogging Molly... but its great stuff imo:mrgreen:

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Ramones. Sex Pistols. The End.

Well if your going to mention The Stranglers...



...I'm going to bring also Nina..... :twisted:

for those of you who don't knwo this next video, please watch it til the end... this is probably one the wildest singing ever done live!

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I think of the The Stranglers as more post punk/new wave. But that's me. Great band, nonetheless.

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The really good Clash stuff and ..er.. the Pixies .. a little bit of Green Day. Sloan has some good stuff. I don't have any but Social Distortion has some cool stuff too.

Don't forget the Real Kids from Boston, their first album was pure punk garage rock and the young John Felice was also member of the Modern Lovers in the early '70s. Some of the Modern Lovers became famous later with others bands, the Cars, the Talking Heads.
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I know punk is supposed to be a bunch of crappy musicians, and even crappier music...

I think you got it all wrong. This is very overgeneralized and simplistic.

Yeah, since the beginning there have been punk bands that were hacks slashing out 2-3 chords (all they knew) with someone shouting out snotty lyrics over the top.

But also since the beginning there have been punk bands who were very tight and which contained great players.

Bad Brains, Minutemen, Die Kreuzen, Mission of Burma, Meat Puppets, Beefeater, X and many, many others both from the US and elsewhere had some excellent musicians.

The "two sloppy chords and a screamer" meme that people toss about is for those who never really knew or understood punk but based their opinion of it on a very tiny bit of the music that they just summarily wrote off.

Incidentally though, there were also many great punk bands that WERE not much more than two sloppy chords and a screamer.

For some reason, the punk purists want to write this band out of the history. Probably because they wrote great songs:

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One of my favourite bands.

Muddslide, agreed! Bad Brains sure pushed the boundries of punk at the time. A group of talented guys who made some awesome music. Great band.

..started seing shows in the 80's in Philly punk/core was big we had some fun ass times ...
Philly's Ruin was killer, y'all gotta meet the energy in the room when it comes to punk
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My favorites were DK.

So who here listens to Punk. I know punk is supposed to be a bunch of crappy musicians, and even crappier music, but I love it. Maybe I just suck at guitar :eek:. Anyway, anyone check out the new NOFX singles?

Not necessarily

Well if your going to mention The Stranglers...



J J Burnel is a classically trained guitarist. Hugh Cornwell was a blues guitarist, Jet Black (he's in his 70s now, you know :smile:) was a jazz drummer for many years and Greenfield's an accomplished keyboards player.

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Can't believe I'm the first to post this:

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Might have something to do with them leaving PUNK behind after the first record. Seeing as how London Calling was their third record, it missed the cut, slightly. :mrgreen:

refreshing thread, Geez!!

keep it rocking. I'll restrain myself to post more Stranglers' videos (though I had a couple more in line ;)

Here's another band I recall from those days!
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How about the often forgotten Rezillos??

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Also, as my screen name might imply, I like these guys:
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glad to see a thread about punk on here and not talking about all the crap around today. big fan of the "post punk" movement bands like husker du and fugazi came from. that was most interesting and thoughtful era of punk rock in my opinion. it's also good to see some "rock" like the jam in here, got by in time is one of my favorite songs ever written. this is a great thread going here!

here's a "pop punk" classic that's a bit more modern than some stuff posted here. everything this band did was golden, this album in particular was catchy as heck and i've always loved the guitar tones

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Keg Rocket doing Hollywood Babylon, live. (http://snd.sc/OAJbae)

Might have something to do with them leaving PUNK behind after the first record. Seeing as how London Calling was their third record, it missed the cut, slightly. :mrgreen:

In your opinion. :wink:

Most observers place The Clash firmly in the punk camp all the way through their career. Hell, Siousxie and the Banshees are considered part of the punk revolution even though they were already heading towards Goth by 1979.

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Somebody mentioned Social Distortion?

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X is another punk band that doesn't get enough credit for their musicianship, especially guitarist Billy Zoom. His previous gig was with rockabilly legend Gene Vincent.

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In your opinion. :wink:

Most observers place The Clash firmly in the punk camp all the way through their career. Hell, Siousxie and the Banshees are considered part of the punk revolution even though they were already heading towards Goth by 1979.


ohh... siouxie, where it all kinda started for me :) the "Israel" track on their live video/DVD! still rings in my ears to these days.

But I never felt her as part of the goth movement - though I'm aware that's commonly accepted.

but she WAS a part of the Bromley contingent ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromley_Contingent

Gotta have some New Rose in a punk thread
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And a bit of Jake Burns and the boys
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And some Epping Forest hippies
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I'm 52 now and I still love X, Sex Pistols, Social Distortion, Pixies, The Clash (early). Huge Nine Inch Nails fan, not sure if that's technically punk. Some interesting viewing on YouTube if you search for "Decline of Western Civilization".

In your opinion. :wink:

Most observers place The Clash firmly in the punk camp all the way through their career.

Allow me a quick 2-point analysis of their second album:

1. They had a horn section on one song ("Drug-Stabbing Times").

2. They used Blue Oyster Cult's producer.

CASE CLOSED

The Clash was beyond great. I have pretty much everything they ever did, saw them live, etc., etc. They were a true mainstay group for me as a teenager. But...

They really transcended Punk, using it merely as a springboard to much bigger and better things. For example, I think the 101ers was a vehicle much more true to who Strummer was, musically. Heck, Mick Jones came from a Glam Rock background!

Hey, my 2 cents.

Since Nina Hagen has already been named, let me bring forth her "Husband"
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And here they are together.
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And now it's time for some righteous hardcore.
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Scared yet?

Let's raise the flag.
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Oh yeah time to get contaminated.
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And I'll end this with what is probably the shortest hardcore song ever to be released on single.
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I'm going faster miles an hour with the radio on....

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2 pages for Wire? Everyone here(except me) should be ashamed

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seriously

Just get all their albums, guess what Sex Pistols suck, so does Green Day


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Sex Pistols suck, so does Green Day


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guess what Sex Pistols suck, so does Green Day


how do they suck?

are they out of tune?

not in time?

hitting the wrong notes?

please explain

i know some people dont like a band and say they suck...which could be far from true

The Sex Pistols are to punk as the Monkees are to pop/rock.

That said, I enjoy listening to both those bands. :mrgreen:

Aww Brad, don't be upset, I'm sorry buddy. It's just that they seem to get so much attention, when others bands are more deserving.




Plus there's that whole calculated,fake aspect, not that that matters, the medium is the message or vice versa or whatever

Aww Brad, don't be upset, I'm sorry buddy. It's just that they seem to get so much attention, when others bands are more deserving.




Plus there's that whole calculated,fake aspect, not that that matters, the medium is the message or vice versa or whatever

not upset at all...its just that i hear people say a band sucks but they really mean is they dont like them

the ramones set the bar and sex pistols raises it...they deserve all the accolades they get...they changed music...just as elvis did and the beatles...and hendrix...and the ramones

I take it back, I was being harsh, you know yer my boy Brad!





(green day still sux tho)

Check out "King Kong vs. the U.S army" by Micheal Jordan's Touchdown Pass. They're classified as "punk." Very underrated band.

I saw Wire live a few times in 77/78 around London...;) the places were jumpin'...

thanks for posting those clips, Mal...;)

Black Flag
Minor Threat
Deep Wound
Ramones

(green day still sux tho)

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first few albums from the Sex Pistols, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Circle Jerks, Bad Brains. I also like the Subhumans (uk)

How bout this one...
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We should feel ashamed at a second page placing for Wire, and if anyone is trying to forget about Husker Du then that's a shame... but the Adverts are really in danger of being forgotten. They were first wave UK punk, and while they only did two albums, both are great. This is them calling bull**** on the scene they were a part of:

This is them calling bull**** on the scene they were a part of:

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The big hit:

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But that's not one of my favorites, although it's great. This is:

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Huge punk fan here. From the Ramones to The Causalities. Here's a new punk band I just discovered. No relation or anything just some publicity for a good band who seems to be pushing punk forward.
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In high school, my buddy Dave's older brother was quite the hip guy, very much into the whole late-'70s/early '80s British stuff. Dave raided his record collection, and I In turn got sucked down THAT particular rabbit hole. Still love that stuff, Pistols, Clash, Buzzcocks, Vibrators, etc.

Then came Husker Du's New Day Rising, and my world changed. Still love that one, too.

First thing I ever bought my wife was a Flannery O'Connor collection, first thing she bought me was Social D.'s Somewhere Between Heaven And Hell. In the same way couples have "their song", that's "our" band. Good stuff...

Flannery O'Connor and Punk? That's a cool combo man!

Sure beats a Thomas Kinkade print and the complete Nickelback discography...

Flannery O'Connor and Punk? That's a cool combo man!

AMEN!!!

Sure beats a Thomas Kinkade print and the complete Nickelback discography...

AMEN AGAIN!!!

+1 for AMEN!:lol:

Did someone say AMEN?

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Social Distortion Gold top and a black guard, whats not to like???
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Seen them twice cannot wait to see them again!

Social D played my 21st birthday. Of course, my birthday and the date their booking agent picked for them to play here just happened to coincide...

The Sex Pistols are to punk as the Monkees are to pop/rock.
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Nah that "honor" goes to THIS guy.

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Recorded by studio musicians and the guy never even sang a note.

Social D played my 21st birthday. Of course, my birthday and the date their booking agent picked for them to play here just happened to coincide...

That is funny! Great band, Mike Ness had a canning ability to write music!

Sure beats a Thomas Kinkade print and the complete Nickelback discography...

Ha! I rolled and lol'ed!

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Gang Of Four

I love punkrock, or at least some forms of it. I'm too young to have been tuned into this stuff when it was new and too old to care about taking sides and engage with the genre police, but I like a lot of it, old and new (ish).

Social Distortion is probably my favorite band (right up there with The Rolling Stones in my own personal ranking), though when I listen to their stuff (esp. from the self titled and heaven and hell period), it really isn't what most would consider 'punk', is it? I mean, they cover Johnny Cash and Kitty Wells! I think Ness himself called 'Ball And Chain' a "traditional country soung", and that's what it sounds like to me - traditional country music played by a gritty, blue collar rock n' roll band.

As for the rest of it, 'Nevermind the Bollocks' was a great rock n' roll album, it's just about perfect to my ears, but again, to me it just sounds like good rock n' roll.

I also really like Green Day - I know they take a lot of flak for some reason. I don't get it, I think they're great and 'Dookie' is right up there with the Pistol's album.

Oh, for the Americans, check out the debut album from 'The Jam' (In The City). It's a great punk(ish) album that's not widely known here.
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Social Distortion is probably my favorite band (right up there with The Rolling Stones), though when I listen to their stuff (esp. from the self titled and heaven and hell period), it really isn't what most would consider 'punk', is it? I mean, they cover Johnny Cash and Kitty Wells! I think Ness himself called 'Ball And Chain' a "traditional country soung", and that's what it sounds like to me - traditional country music played by a gritty, blue collar rock n' roll band.



The best part of punk is there is no rules. You put rules on punk you kill the spirit of the music. Mike Ness embodies the whole punk movement, only in punk can you follow Kitty wells with the Clash, while opening for "X" No other brand of music can you do that. Do you think that Bieber could pull off Clash or Kitty, or do I thin Jason Aldeen could either.

Well, I will admit, most of my reasons for hating Green Day are pretty stupid.


1)They're not a Punk band! The only punk thing they ever did was that sappy acoustic ballad. Well, that's not true, Broadway is pretty punk.

2)The fake British accent. Arrrgghh! Who does this? Why? It drives me up a wall!

3)Dude, you're 40. It's time to stop shopping at Hot Topic. Skinny pants and eyeliner doesn't make you cool. It makes you look like an idiot.

4)Anybody else notice he hasn't aged in 20 years? Plastic surgery on dudes is gross.

5)That's all I got off the top o' me head

+1 for Gang of Four, and the Jam

Well, I will admit, most of my reasons for hating Green Day are pretty stupid.

1)They're not a Punk band! The only punk thing they ever did was that sappy acoustic ballad. Well, that's not true, Broadway is pretty punk.

2)The fake British accent. Arrrgghh! Who does this? Why? It drives me up a wall!

3)Dude, you're 40. It's time to stop shopping at Hot Topic. Skinny pants and eyeliner doesn't make you cool. It makes you look like an idiot.

4)Anybody else notice he hasn't aged in 20 years? Plastic surgery on dudes is gross.

5)That's all I got off the top o' me head

+1 for Gang of Four, and the Jam

Dookie was a good album. 21st Century Breakdown sucked, and American Idiot was ok

Green Day didn't start with Dookie.

the deal with green day as i heard...their attitude in the early days were so anti mainstream in the club they played...thats what made people love them...then when they signed to a big record company...they were called sell outs...and people they used to play for totally disowned them...for whatever reason people outside of that circle call them sellouts too...i like some of their songs...i dont care if they sold out...didnt sell out...just make music and ill listen and either like it or not

and robert smith of the cure asks...whats wrong with wearing eyeliner and tight pants

Haha! I love the Cure, but it looks stupid on him too!





No offense to any 50-something's who wear eyeliner and skinny jeans, of course

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I tend to agree with the assessment the Ramones had of themselves, that they where more of a great Rock and Roll band that because of the times got lumped into the punk rock crowd .

Well, I like turtles...:neutral:

In the late '70s, there was a band from Staten Island called Dirty Looks. NOT the hair band. These guys were on Stiff Records, and their two albums have been reissued. Might be some kind of import. I've seen it on Amazon, so it's not too obscure. Anyway, the debut is GREAT. Total late '70s power-pop/punk/garage goodness. Kind of a Jam/Who/Joe Jackson hybrid with a dash of rockabilly!! All that with a crackling, bone-dry production that'd make Steve Albini proud. Well worth checking out.

Always dug the first Lords Of The New Church album. Catchy, well-written, and well-played.

Pegboy-Strong Reaction. I always thought records like this and the Face To Face albums helped set the stage for Green Day and The Offspring. Strong Reaction has "Superstar", which is a total goosebump tune for me. Always wanted to cover that one. I'll sing it. And get goosebumps.

I tend to agree with the assessment the Ramones had of themselves, that they where more of a great Rock and Roll band that because of the times got lumped into the punk rock crowd .

i have seen many interviews and read plenty where they take pride in being a punk band...being called punk and calling themselves punk

Well, I like turtles...:neutral:

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Nah that "honor" goes to THIS guy.

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Recorded by studio musicians and the guy never even sang a note.

I don't know what to call that! :shock::lol:

Big Stranglers fan here, but for now...

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Oh, go on then...

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Pegboy-Strong Reaction. I always thought records like this and the Face To Face albums helped set the stage for Green Day and The Offspring. Strong Reaction has "Superstar", which is a total goosebump tune for me. Always wanted to cover that one. I'll sing it. And get goosebumps.

Great band. Through My Fingers from the Three Chord Monte EP is my favourite.

Might have something to do with them leaving PUNK behind after the first record. Seeing as how London Calling was their third record, it missed the cut, slightly. :mrgreen:

The Clash were always a punk band - in lyrics and attitude - even if the music drifted elsewhere regularly. They just thought they could do anything and everything. Then they made Sandinista which should have told them they couldn't.

Some of their reggae and dub is the best a white band have ever done.

Just get all their albums, guess what Sex Pistols suck,

Hmm, so you don't like them? Their credentials speak for themselves.

They came out with a hate-filled spew of anti-royalism and pseudo-anarchy slap-bang in the middle of QEIIs Silver Jubilee year (which was quite a big thing for 10s of millions of Betty and Phil the Greek's fans UK wide). The national radio broadcaster and independents, reeling in monarchic horror, all refused to play it, and it got almost zero media. Despite that, it made No2 on the national single charts and was heard everywhere.

They appeared live on British TV interview and dropped the F bomb a lot (which, back then, is almost as audacious as... any partial nudity on US TV today), and threatened the show's host with violence.

They defined punk and underlined it with two fingers, and pissed off a lot of people in a very short space of time, leading British MPs and assorted moralists to call them dangerous.

Then Malcolm McLaren really got to sniffing some serious money and it ended badly and quickly...

The Pistols were a fine Rock 'n' Roll band before the media hysteria and it's backlash made playing pretty much impossible. Glen Matlock was a handy songwriter and bass player and Steve Jones was a pretty fine guitar slinger. Add Rotten's wry perception and vitriol and underpinned by Cook's drumming, they could do really it. Have a listen to the Spunk bootleg or the Burton-on-Trent gig.

The moral outrage of the Grundy TV appearance and Glen Matlock leaving effectively finished them and punk in UK. The Pistols became a parody of themselves and punk was subsumed into the corporate media.

The moral outrage of the Grundy TV appearance and Glen Matlock leaving effectively finished them and punk in UK. The Pistols became a parody of themselves and punk was subsumed into the corporate media.

Yep. Everyone thinks of sex pistols = sid vicious. By the time he turned up McLaren had already sold them down the river.

Oh, go on then...

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I still go to that pub on rare occasions (rare occasions because it's really crappy) and they still have pictures of the stranglers playing that gig on the wall.

Also punk:

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I'll probably post most stuff later.

On the Ramones thing, I think maybe it was more accurate to say they tried to separate themselves from the Sex Pistols crowd, as they felt the Pistol's antics hurt everyone from gaining main stream acceptance from the media. They certainly felt it kept them from getting the radio airplay they thought they deserved, according to the documentary End Of The Century.

I still go to that pub on rare occasions (rare occasions because it's really crappy) and they still have pictures of the stranglers playing that gig on the wall.

Sticky carpets? :lol:

I wasn't there but saw them up in Stoke and they were brilliant...JJ had great energy on those four strings, real gnarly, snotty in yer face bass!

Every few years, I re-read Legs McNeil & Gillian McCain's "Please Kill Me". If you have even a passing interest in punk, there's the book to read. It's by turns hilarious, disturbing, and thought-provoking, sometimes all at once. It really manages to capture the mindset behind a lot of really great music. A must-read, if you ask me.

Yep. Everyone thinks of sex pistols = sid vicious. By the time he turned up McLaren had already sold them down the river.

sid was there from the beginning as he was lydons friend and they both hung out at the SEX shop...he was the banshees drummer for a short time

Every few years, I re-read Legs McNeil & Gillian McCain's "Please Kill Me". If you have even a passing interest in punk, there's the book to read. It's by turns hilarious, disturbing, and thought-provoking, sometimes all at once. It really manages to capture the mindset behind a lot of really great music. A must-read, if you ask me.

Yep, that is a great book. Lot's of interesting situations there.

If you have a couple hours to kill this movie has a lot of interesting situations, too. I saw it for the first time in the 80s on late night cable TV on "Night Flight". It was what inspired me to start playing guitar.

I was a skinny teenager who hated football and Bon Jovi or whatever else all my classmates were doing. My dad played guitar and bass and jammed out some, but it was mostly cowboy stuff, maybe a little CCR sometimes. He gave me a guitar, but I had never been exposed to anything other than mainstream music. I was frustrated because I knew I did not have the skills to be a Hendrix or Page. Shortly after seeing this film I started my first band, played a show at my school, and got cut off by the principal. He was not gonna have THAT kind of music in his school.

I know now that a lot of this movie was acted out, it wasn't actually "live". The scenes were rehearsed, but that doesn't change that it inspired me to pick up the guitar, write songs, and get in bands. Yeah Social Distortion has been a big influence on me. I've seen them about a dozen times over the last 15 or so years, they have been a constant in my life for a long time.

Here is a clip...

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Maximum Rock n roll's Book Your Own FU@%in Life helped me and lots of people get around in the 90's. Good times, good bands, good people, at least on a relative ratio,or whatever....one two three four!

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Every few years, I re-read Legs McNeil & Gillian McCain's "Please Kill Me". If you have even a passing interest in punk, there's the book to read. It's by turns hilarious, disturbing, and thought-provoking, sometimes all at once. It really manages to capture the mindset behind a lot of really great music. A must-read, if you ask me.

I just started reading this last week - really enjoying it. My favorite so far was a bit I was reading last night where the IRS called up the Stooges and said they owed a bunch of money and the response (I think from one of the Asheton's) was "We're just a bunch of drug addicts, we don't know where the ****ing money is" and they never heard from the IRS again.

Yeah, Ron Asheton just about steals every scene he's in. I like that one phase he repeats, "the degradation....." No kidding, Ron, if half that stuff is true!

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Killing Joke in the news recently: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/aug/13/killing-joke-jaz-coleman-resurfaces?newsfeed=true

Coleman doesn't give a **** does he?

Best punk cover ever. Too cool.
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Love the old school stuff, mainly British. Pistols, Clash, Damned, Buzzcocks, Generation X, 999. Early Exploited and GBH. Late 70s/early 80s American stuff too. Ramones, Dead Kennedys, Circle Jerks, Social Distortion (still great), Agent Orange.

Not much into the newer stuff. Liked Rancid and early Green Day. Maybe a little Pennywise.