Communication Breakdown Fail

This is so bad it's almost comedy :lol:

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I saw them live about 2 years later... yeah, they sucked.

Hmm, lots of Zep bashing going on here lately. I'd agree that this is terrible though. Still, I defy anyone to find a band who could do better than a good Zep night from '72. Crank up How the West was Won and tell me again how much harder you rock than them.
-Mr. N.

Edit: I do have a couple of boots that are almost this bad but jeez, how low could they go?

Hmm, lots of Zep bashing going on here lately. I'd agree that this is terrible though. Still, I defy anyone to find a band who could do better than a good Zep night from '72. Crank up How the West was Won and tell me again how much harder you rock than them.
-Mr. N.

Edit: I do have a couple of boots that are almost this bad but jeez, how low could they go?

Not meant as Zep bashing just a laugh mate, everyone has a bad night here & there :wink:

Crank up How the West was Won and tell me again how much harder you rock than them.
-Mr. N.


The correct answer is Motörhead.

I do love LZ, but I think they were massively inconsistent live, which shouldn't be the case with such a hard-touring band. It doesn't help when they're completely juiced, as above.

The LZ 2DVD set demonstrates the good and the bad. The Albert Hall in '70 was very good. Their last ever gig at Knebworth '79 was way too loud and messy. A mate of mine was there and saw it thru Zep-coloured glasses, and weed. He'd met Jimmy a couple of times and so any Zep event was a religious experience for him.

I saw Jimmy in the 80s, playing with Paul Rogers. He sucked. I thought he was either having a bad night or was past it. Years later, the DVDs became available and revealed he could be terrible.

Hmm, lots of Zep bashing going on here lately. I'd agree that this is terrible though. Still, I defy anyone to find a band who could do better than a good Zep night from '72. Crank up How the West was Won and tell me again how much harder you rock than them.
-Mr. N.

Edit: I do have a couple of boots that are almost this bad but jeez, how low could they go?

I have been listening to HTWWW a lot lately. It's really great.

In their later tours, Communication Breakdown was almost always the very last, or one of the last, songs of the night... Page and Bonzo always seemed exhausted or perhaps the painkillers of choice had worn off.
Much of the 1975 tour (thats what this looks like) isnt great, it started badly with sickness and injuries, but the final shows were hot.
The 1977 tour is even worse. Even then, there were a few good nights where they were obviously the best hard rock band in the world, at that time, for that moment.

Yeah! ease off of LZ. They were "real live" night after night. Anyone who knows anything about performing night after night will tell you, you're not going to hit a homerun everynight.
With all the tech/ sound advances and support these day, most bands nowadays still suck and could not hold a candle to LZ.

I have never, never understood the unwritten rule of so many raaark bands to have a eunuch-voiced singer. Take AC/DC. Great intros, get yer foot a-tappin'. Cue the first verse. Oh no, here comes the eunuch . . .

I listened to HTWWW everyday for about 6 months. It is the best sounding Zep I've ever heard, beats the studio stuff hands down. I'm not the biggest Zep head out there but HTWWW is truly one of the best rock albums ever .

I have never, never understood the unwritten rule of so many raaark bands to have a eunuch-voiced singer. Take AC/DC. Great intros, get yer foot a-tappin'. Cue the first verse. Oh no, here comes the eunuch . . .

Sad but so very true (Rush)...

It seem fine if the guys playing are having a bad night, but Plant's having far worse than a bad night...my biggest disappointment was waiting to get into the opening night of that LZ movie in '76 (I think) and finding out that even with the benefit of Hollywood editing I thought they sucked live and IMO that's mostly because of RP.

I never saw Zep live but saw parts of the movie etc. & figured they were one of those bands that ruled the studio, not the stage. They stunk on stage IMO.

My favorite Zep album--by far--is their first one. Bought it when nobody in my small town had even heard of 'em and still love it. Played the whole thing about four days ago.

Heck, they were on the edge on tape that first album & no surprise they fell off the edge on stage.

I listened to HTWWW everyday for about 6 months. It is the best sounding Zep I've ever heard, beats the studio stuff hands down. I'm not the biggest Zep head out there but HTWWW is truly one of the best rock albums ever .

I love it too.

But it's edited up the wazoo.

I actually didn't think the clip posted here was all that bad.

No, Percy wasn't hitting the high notes. Page was sloppy. What else is new? Far from their best, I'd agree. I didn't think it was a complete trainwreck though.

As others have mentioned - they did kind of go for it; they had some room for experimentation and improvisation. Outside the jam band scene, what even moderately big bands allow for that these days? Yeah, it sometimes fell flat - but it least they were trying to give a bit of something different, extra.

Sure, all the major band's shows will be darn near perfectly executed now. Zzzz. Wake me when it's over.

I dunno, I like that it's not always the same, smoothed over, autotuned, scripted.

I guess I lean towards the loose but tight thing.Yeah, this was maybe loose but loose. Sometimes I like that too. YMMV.

Cheers,
Geoff

But it's edited up the wazoo.


And way over-equalized.


But - it's the best live Zep if you don't have early bootlegs which I seem to find in my collection on a weekly basis (who gave me all these ?)


Also - Jimmy Page had to pick one guitar part out of many to play live (which surprises me in a forum full of musicians that nobody has mentioned this fact).

That's a huge reason why Zep can kinda sound a bit thin live


The Crowes w/ Jimmy Page comes off as pretty great specifically because they had 2 or three guitar players playing the other parts.

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I've always considered Comm Brkdwn as one of the first punk tunes and it's amazing that no one (especially Black Flag or Husker Du) ever covered it.

Maybe they didn't want to admit that even a dinosaur like Zep could be p*nk as *****...

Great song, great band, lousy performance in my opinion - that Reggae stuff was painful...I imagine most people would want to simply hear the song from the record done live...maybe most bands would do that, I don't know...playing for the audience vs having fun and taking risks...art vs entertainment...drugs of course, end of the night...unprofessional?..self indulgent?...edgy and groundbreaking?...lots of ways to look at it. As a kid the first LZ album I bought was The Song Remains The Same, thinking that it had all these great songs on it, like a greatest hits thing. What a disappointment!

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I've always considered Comm Brkdwn as one of the first punk tunes and it's amazing that no one (especially Black Flag or Husker Du) ever covered it.

Maybe they didn't want to admit that even a dinosaur like Zep could be p*nk as *****...

really? gee i think link wray, the sonics, the monks to name just a few hit the edges of garage punk years & years before

I love it too.

But it's edited up the wazoo.

I actually didn't think the clip posted here was all that bad.

No, Percy wasn't hitting the high notes. Page was sloppy. What else is new? Far from their best, I'd agree. I didn't think it was a complete trainwreck though.

As others have mentioned - they did kind of go for it; they had some room for experimentation and improvisation. Outside the jam band scene, what even moderately big bands allow for that these days? Yeah, it sometimes fell flat - but it least they were trying to give a bit of something different, extra.



It was a brake-squealing trainwreck.

We know Plant's voice was sometimes shot; he raped those chords nightly. Page's sloppiness is as legendary as his riffs. But if you're struggling, then no amount of drugs should kid you into thinking that despite all that, you should 'go for it'.

Zeppelin were an extension of Page's psyche - they always tried to do way more than they were capable of on stage, and never learned or cared because their egos were too gargantuan.

That's why the LPs are more enjoyable to listen to. I don't like hearing my favourite tunes mangled into mush; sounding like a bunch of kids tying to learn them for the first time, forgetting where they're supposed to be and making stuff up trying to wing it through.

really? gee i think link wray, the sonics, the monks to name just a few hit the edges of garage punk years & years before


Remember only this my fine friend :

Deniz Tek, an American from Michigan, came over and changed your entire country's musical history/trajectory. Oh jeez - if you you wanna be technical I guess he changed an entire continent's musical direction...

Punk ?

Why start w/ the overrated Sonics ? Why not the Johnny Burnette band 6-8 years before ?

It all catalyzed w/ The Stooges however.

That's what Deniz Tek would tell you too...

Remember only this my fine friend :

Deniz Tek, an American from Michigan, came over and changed your entire country's musical history/trajectory. Oh jeez - if you you wanna be technical I guess he changed an entire continent's musical direction...

Punk ?

Why start w/ the overrated Sonics ? Why not the Johnny Burnette band 6-8 years before ?

It all catalyzed w/ The Stooges however.

That's what Deniz Tek would tell you too...

It's all before my time & you maybe right on the deniz Tek importance although i doubt any single person was that influential on a entire countries music scene

there was plenty of hard garage rock going on in australia in the mid 60's as everywhere else which to my ears had a huge influence on punk

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Mike, I was digging all your points, up 'til the over-rated Sonics bit








(Zep rules btw, while I'm here)

Remember only this my fine friend :

Deniz Tek, an American from Michigan, came over and changed your entire country's musical history/trajectory. Oh jeez - if you you wanna be technical I guess he changed an entire continent's musical direction...



Hmm, Australia wins Olympic Gold for cultural navel-gazing every time, and Tek remains, as he was in the 70s - obscure and virtually unknown.

If he were as influential on a whole continent's music as you claim, we'd know about it, I can assure you.

The biggest thing Australia is known for musically is a rock-blues-boogie band, some blokes with a flute singing about Vegemite, and *sigh* Kylie Minogue...

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I'd like to dedicate this to the fine folks of Australia, and well, tomorrow of course

Hmm, Australia wins Olympic Gold for cultural navel-gazing every time, and Tek remains, as he was in the 70s - obscure and virtually unknown.

If he were as influential on a whole continent's music as you claim, we'd know about it, I can assure you.

The biggest thing Australia is known for musically is a rock-blues-boogie band, some blokes with a flute singing about Vegemite, and *sigh* Kylie Minogue...


Utter honesty - I salute you sir !