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Webster Chicago 166-1 Resto/Mod

RichieRyan
July 29th, 2012, 06:26 PM
I've had this one for a few months now. One shop installed a grounded cord, another home-based tech replaced the leaking filter caps.
The basic problem is the same as when I got it: No chimey, clean tone at low volume. Sounds muddy, no highs. Put an OD pedal in front and it has great tone.
The first time I posted about it was in this thread, which has the schematic:
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/amp-central-station/317782-increasing-tube-amp-power-output.html
I'm $500 into the amp and need to decide how to go from here. Here is what another guy said who has restored one of these:
Rick, you really need to replace all the caps on these, coupling and especially the filter caps. I think I left the circuit stock. The one I had also had a new speaker. You could also put a 6AV6 in instead of the 6AT6. That will give you a pretty good gain boost.
and: Rick, here's what I would suggest. Look up the schematic for the Fender Harvard 5F10. Copy the circuit for the 6AT6 and the 12AX7. This is the same as a single channel 5E3. Change the 6V6 circuit to the 5E3, except for the stuff that's on the Weber schematic around the OT. Leave that stuff as is. This amp has a weird cathode resistor setup for the 6V6s that I've never seen on any other amps. That should give you the 5E3 tone you're looking for. If there's nothing wrong with the original speaker, I would leave it. New speakers don't sound anywhere near as good as vintage ones.

Link with pics of another 166-1 resto: http://www.flickr.com/photos/39881842@N05/sets/72157620873953519/

printer2
July 29th, 2012, 09:37 PM
How about a treble bypass cap on the volume control?

RichieRyan
February 12th, 2013, 12:51 PM
I've started working on this one. Replaced R5 470k with 100K. Relaced speaker with Eminence 1058. Still studying schematic and comparing to amp to see what's been altered in the past. There is a cap between the tone and 1st vol pot that's not stock (332k 100v). It's the bright yellow one in the pic.
http://www.squier-talk.com/forum/members/richieryan-albums-pics-picture3929-a.jpg
http://www.squier-talk.com/forum/members/richieryan-albums-pics-picture3918-10-speaker.jpg
http://www.squier-talk.com/forum/members/richieryan-albums-pics-picture3930-a.jpg
This thread has the schematic and the much-appreciated tech tips...
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/amp-central-station/317782-increasing-tube-amp-power-output.html

RichieRyan
February 12th, 2013, 12:56 PM
Two clips. 1st is one I recorded last night with a Strat,second is one a guy did after modding his 166,front end like a Harvard, back end like a deluxe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYC5bE-3jiE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hAWtDpemCM

This is a link to his pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/39881842@N05/sets/72157620873953519/

RichieRyan
February 12th, 2013, 06:36 PM
Anyone know what that yellow cap is? and can it be removed without causing a problem? Thx

printer2
February 12th, 2013, 08:05 PM
I would think that cap is for your tone control. I am guessing that is your tone and volume controls.

RichieRyan
February 12th, 2013, 08:07 PM
No noticeable change after changing R1 to 100K from 470K.

RichieRyan
February 13th, 2013, 11:27 AM
http://www.webster-chicago.com/166sch.jpg
http://api.ning.com/files/iRhh93x186nF2aLMsGGOPDQCcDIo7RrBC2WaiAgqh3GwLSuYZQ CXzmZw3aYEY6cBHmsHDgDhIgcSvu2DH7gC49WhMaItNjCt/HARVAR2.GIF

Next, I'm going to try swapping R7 from 470K to 100K

RichieRyan
February 13th, 2013, 11:35 AM
Any suggestions for ordering all new caps?:arrow:

RichieRyan
February 19th, 2013, 10:53 AM
Sprague? Orange drop? Mojo Vitamin T?:?:

brettthebrat
February 19th, 2013, 03:41 PM
I use Soviet Teflon but that's your choice, my Telecaster liked it :) and soldering that huge cap under the tone knob was hard. And I believe this was the one cap when used people could actually tell a difference in tonal qualities if its on a guitar or an amp.