Interesting way to wrap strings on vintage tuners!!

I was recently with a mate of mine who is regarded as the best guitar player to ever come out of oz. Fender had just given him a road worn series tele to try. He showed me his way of stringing using vintage tuners, he said that the great Hank marvin showed him this technique. He cut the string to approx length, poked the end of the string down the middle of the tuner as per normal, then bent the string and did a figure eight like patern through the slotted post. This "locks" the string and acts just like a locking tuner. Pretty good method and you dont need many windings on the post

anyone seen this done before?

jamie

Yep. There's actually a few ways to restring the vintage, split post tuners, and I've done it using the method described in your post.

However, if there's an advantage over the good old, "poke the end in the hole and tune to pitch" method, I didn't notice it.

You're mates with Tommy Emmanuel? :wink:

I really don't have any issues with the standard way of stringing up Klusons, but that locking idea might have merit on a guitar with a trem.

Fewer winds is good (except on the D and G strings where it substitutes if coiled down for a 2d string tree) but I haven't tried it that figure eight way.

Just sticking the cut string in the hole and winding 'er up requires more string, more winds and misses out on optimal tuning stability, IMO.

I try to "inform" the string of what is expected of it by using needle nose pliers and applying two 90 degree bends to match where the string emerges from the hole, and again where the string emerges from the split to coil around the post (very orderly, just like a spring) so that the string "takes off" in the direction of the nut slot from the lowest possible point on the post. This makes a mediocre nut slot good, and a good nut slot work great. Also, the individual coils of string don't bind up or impinge on one another and tuning is better, more certain.

I like to have at least 3 winds as I feel it optimizes the grip of the string on the tuner. It would be cool if they made a set that was pre-cut at this length for a 25.5" Fender scale.

It would be cool if they made a set that was pre-cut at this length for a 25.5" Fender scale.

This is a cool idea, but there's too many variations in bridges and stringing methods to make it work.

A trem Strat is going to need different length strings than a top mount Tele, and neither one of those string lengths would fit a traditional Tele string-thru body.

In his book, How to Make Your Electric Guitar Play Great Dan Erlewine credits Lindy Fralin as having come up with a variation on that theme, where you wrap the string around half the post, come back up the middle through the slot, then start winding.

I can't visualize any of this...

Pictures?

there is no need to do the "figure 8" for vertical hole vintage type tuners, what's far more important is the string angle past the nut.

I have used figure of eight with nylon strings on a classical because they do slip out, but not on the tele or other spilt tuners.

But if Hank does that on his strat then it must be right :mrgreen:

I was just looking at a You Tube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M45o2Znrvww&feature=related) on stringing up these split posts. In it I saw the guy having having issues with the 1st and 2nd string popping out before he got it wound to the point of holding itself firmly around the post.

Then I saw this Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdJSSQ9S7Ag&feature=related) on a tip to prevent slippage.

Using these kind of posts I would cut a small piece of Teflon or some other appropriate material rod into a taper, then jam the wire into the hole slip the taper pin in to hold it, wind it up and be done with it.

vintage vertical hole tuners are the easiest and fastest to string up.

vintage vertical hole tuners are the easiest and fastest to string up.

+1
I just put them on normally, never had tuning issues.

vintage vertical hole tuners are the easiest and fastest to string up.

+2 ~ What could be easier? Never had one slip, or my bad ears didn't detect it...?

the problem i see weekly with most with 6 on a side vintage tuners are low string angles past the nut, this can create buzzing and intonation issues. so, here's how to assure that won't be a problem with yer tele or strat or whatever ....

wiith a set of same height vintage tuner posts on a tele or strat ...

... if there are TWO string trees, cut each string 3 tuner lengths from the string post in question and yer good to go for a good string angle past the nut.

... if there is ONE string tree, cut the E, A, B, E strings at 3 tuner lengths past their respective string posts. for the D string, cut it at 5 tuner lengths past that post and for the G string cut it 6 tuner lengths past that post. this will insure that those pesky D & G strings are wound down enuf to give a good string angle aft of the nut when there is no D & G string tree.

there are other "string formulas" for other types of headstocks and tuners.

Nice tip Rob, Thanks.

You're mates with Tommy Emmanuel? :wink:

I really don't have any issues with the standard way of stringing up Klusons, but that locking idea might have merit on a guitar with a trem.

That was gonna be my first question. If there's one better I wanna see him.

There are some good tips here. I usually don't have a problem but I'd like to give a couple of these a shot next time to see if it does make a difference.

vintage vertical hole tuners are the easiest and fastest to string up.

+3 Never had an issue of any kind.

You're mates with Tommy Emmanuel? :wink:

I really don't have any issues with the standard way of stringing up Klusons, but that locking idea might have merit on a guitar with a trem.

Your close!! It's actually his brother Phil Emmanuel :) anyone who knows them, knows Phil is just as good as Tommy!!

Your close!! It's actually his brother Phil Emmanuel :) anyone who knows them, knows Phil is just as good as Tommy!!

I don't know, Phil needs help from Tommy to play his guitar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlR2OmH9YY0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Just kidding of course. Phil is amazing too. Seems a bit unfair he doesn't get the recognition Tommy gets.