Deaf Eddie 5 way tele switch with 2 tone and 2 volume pots, need wiring help

Hi, a while ago I did the Deaf Eddie 5 tone tele mod on my rosewood tele, now I'm wanting to change my pots to have individual tone and volume for each pickup. I was going to do this with concentric pots, but I can't get my head around wiring them up with the 5 way switch. Has anybody got any idea's? Here's the how the wiring is at the moment:
http://www.deaf-eddie.net/drawings/5-tone.jpg

Cheers, Rhian.

You could always ask Deaf Eddie... er, oh, that's me. It's a messy rewire to go with individual volumes from this scheme. Do you have your heart set on it, or is this just a passing whim?

haha thanks for the reply DE. I figured it might be a bit tricky with the 5 way, I've been wanting the extra controls to use the pickups like I do on my les paul, setting my amp's tone for the neck, rolling a bit off the tone pot on the bridge, then using the volumes to switch between rhythm and lead tones. Basically trying to cut down the amount of pedals I'm using. I was thinking if the 5 way doesn't work with it, I'll wire up a new control plate with the concentric pots and a 3 way switch, that way I can easily go back to 5 way if it doesn't work the way I'm hoping. Really dig the 5 tone mod btw, I was also wanting to see what you can get out those series positions with some tweaking.
ps. Have you noticed an upper octave effect of the out of phase series position when playing right up the neck? Really cool sound!

If you are patient, I'll see if I can whip one up this weekend. It will requires a gross rewiring of the 5-way, because you have the phase reverse controlled on the same switch that is also the pup selector. The pup has to go to the switch for phase "alignment," then to the neck volume pot, and then back to the switch...

Yeah, try some Billy Gibbons-style pinched harmonics with the series/OOP combo, played through a little drive and crunch - YIKES!

Yeah, the phase switching is where I was getting lost. I understand if the whole idea is too much hassle. If you can figure something out I'd really appreciate it, thank you!

I did concentrics (250/500k) with 4-way switch thanks to Deaf Eddy's
diagram.

A soldering iron with a very fine tip is pretty much needed. Got one at
Wal Mart for ~$8. It seemed like doing minor surgery and fitting
into cavity was like putting 10lbs. in a 5 lb. bag. It took some care and
finesse.
After figuring out a few goofs all positions and controls work and sound great.

One thing on the series neck + bridge, the neck pickup has to be on ~ 1/2
or more so to get the combination working as signal runs from neck to
bridge in this schematic. The series sound with both on is big and full
but still real clear sounding.

Schematic >

http://www.tdpri.com/telephoto/showfull.php?photo=23832

http://deaf-eddie.net/tdpri-drawings/5-tone-2v-2t.jpg

You're the man Eddie! Thanks very much, just waiting on some concentric pots (I'm in Australia, so that may take a few weeks) but I'll let you know how it goes once I'm wired up. If I'm ever on the other side of the globe I owe you a few beers!

You could always ask Deaf Eddie... er, oh, that's me. It's a messy rewire to go with individual volumes from this scheme. Do you have your heart set on it, or is this just a passing whim?

Question before I loose what hair is let.
Project is HSH (H's are Prails) w/Triple shots, 5 way, dual volumes and tones. It's an RWG Scorpion btw. One solid hunk of wood... Heavy wood with a wilkison v50.

wanted... one volume, one tone, an EMG SPC and a plug cover for that darn pot that is where the whammy goes. a recessed push button is an option there tho. For what I'm not sure. To kick it into the phatest mode I guess.

I WAS thinking of two mini toggles so I can have ALL the options but I kinda think maybe... maybe, the SPC could do some good things when the single coils are in play.

The guitar now is pretty dark at the neck, thin in the sides and alright at the bridge. Pickups I think. and wiring. No treble bleeds so those are worthless.

So I know I'm gonna hookup these PRails and then I thought of this 10 pound hunk of wood and began searching which ultimately had me end up at your web site but this isn't a tele so i tossed this up for a sense of direction.

i'm suffering from "option anxiety" :roll:

rich

With that axe, the ONLY two ideas I would consider are a neck-on-with bridge switch, and a phase reverse for the mid pup. IMHO, any more than that quickly reaches the point of diminishing returns for the complexity of the scheme.

With that axe, the ONLY two ideas I would consider are a neck-on-with bridge switch, and a phase reverse for the mid pup. IMHO, any more than that quickly reaches the point of diminishing returns for the complexity of the scheme.

Thanks... I found out it has a master volume and 3 tone controls. and that volume control.. well i miss using my pinky for volume swells. It's set like a Les Paul and hard to reach for me. May drill in and move it to a useful place.

Anyway were you saying like ditch the Hot Shots mounts? or Prails in general. I'm starting to think maybe a decent neck pup and make it a rocker. These are stock Wilkinson pups. I have a variety laying around so maybe that's not a bad idea. It's really that dark neck pup messing with me.

I have to wonder on the 3 tones. That isn't really so useful imo. Heck I can hardly remember when I used a tone control.

Appreciate your feedback. I can understand what you're getting at and it makes sense.

Thanks again.

Rich

No, I meant along WITH the triple-shots...

I agree, three tones is a waste of time, since they're all probably parallel. I'd consider making one a master tone, and doing something else with the other two pots... separate bridge and neck volumes, like a Gretsch? Mid-cut?

No, I meant along WITH the triple-shots...

I agree, three tones is a waste of time, since they're all probably parallel. I'd consider making one a master tone, and doing something else with the other two pots... separate bridge and neck volumes, like a Gretsch? Mid-cut?

okay.... don't mind me... public schools!

no each tone is assigned to each pup and has full range although really are useless, like dialing in a tone between middle and bridge. they act like a Paul does. God you'll never get anything done nor be able to repeat it in a hurry. plus no treble bleed screws it up 3 times over and then some.

Pretty hot pups in it now too. 15K B & N. Bridge a hair hotter. 2&4 sound strat like too. I have a Fender Lace (Blue) that I've been wanting to put in somewhere. Would look outta place but I wonder how it'd sound. one way to find out. would cut out ny 60 cycle and maybe add good overtones.

Ya know...if I could play that would help my overtones!! details.

Cavity is wired tight too.
okay thank you again. :!:

rich