June 26th, 2012, 09:42 AM
Like many before me, I'm thinking about augmenting my board with an M9 to cover all the 'occasional use' modulation effects, especially with the current used prices looking so good.
One thing swaying me towards the M9 over a bunch of single pedals is the inclusion of the pitch effects, mainly the Whammy type stuff.
As I'll be sticking it later in the chain, after all my drive pedals, can anybody give me a heads up on how well the pitch-based effects on there (such as Whammy, harmonisers etc) perform when they're after your dirt boxes?
June 26th, 2012, 10:02 AM
If you play single notes cleanly, it shouldn't be much of an issue. You'll get some odd artifacts every now and then (more weirdness the more gain you have).
The thing to keep in mind is those effects after dirt will dominate the sound. Meaning, you'll hear almost all Whammy or pitch shift - your distorted tone will be sucked down into the effect that's active. On one hand, that might be cool because it'll have a very synthesizer-like quality. On the other, you lose the "weight" or "mass" of anything that comes before it.
June 26th, 2012, 10:18 AM
Thanks - gives me some idea of what to expect.
On the few occasions I've had the use of a Whammy, I've always stuck it right at the front, on the premise that it would track better with a clean signal, never had experience of sticking it post-dirt so it's good to hear from someone who's tried it!
June 26th, 2012, 11:20 AM
It will sound more like you imagine if it's the first in line, but you should be OK - not ideal, but workable - with it after distortion.
June 26th, 2012, 11:40 AM
Yeah, that's the impression I'm getting. If I do pick up an M9, I'll mainly be using it for modulation, reverbs and delay, so it'll be going after all my drive boxes.
I was just wondering if the pitch-based effects would be useable enough in that position for me to consider them as part of my pros/cons for buying one but from the sounds of things they'll be less than ideal at that point in the chain - still tempted to build the MusicPCB tap tremolo, and I do love my Dlx Memory Boy, so might end up sticking with single pedals for now. I just get temped by all the pretty lights and shiny buttons!
June 26th, 2012, 04:32 PM
If the M9 had software-routable input and output I would have one specifically for tap tempo "analog" delay, the pattern tremolo or the sample-and-hold effects (Oberheim VCF or Z. Vex Seek-wah), and an octave up pedal. I'd put my dirt pedals after the octave up, then into the delay and trem.
I guess that's why Line 6 makes the M13, eh? ;)
June 26th, 2012, 05:44 PM
I have an HD500 which is marketed as having the M series effects. In an MFX unit, it really doesn't matter if you put the pitch effect before or after dirt. everyone does it differntly. To really emulate 2 guitars harmonizing though it should come post dirt. Below is a demo of the harmonizing ability of the HD500, should be the same as the M9.
Whammy stuff is very different between the M/HD series and Digitech though. The M series pitch bending is actually smoother. Where the traditional whammy glitches with that wignature warble, the M/HD can have a more ring mod type of sound at certain ranges on the guitar or when more than one note is played. Both sound very good, really more a matter of taste as to which one prefers (though the new Whammy V offers polyphonic shifting, something the M/HD does not).
In terms of chorus/flange, I personally don't like the HD very much and feel Boss, Zoom, and Digitech do a much better job. Also annoying that some of the pattern effects aren't set up to trigger by input. For example, the seek wah effect is cool but would be way more cool if the pattern was triggered by detecting input (Zoom, Boss, and Digitech all offer effects which work this way) But the M9 has some other strengths: great looper, nice delays, and all those filter effects.
June 26th, 2012, 10:53 PM
Just to repeat and confirm what Lefty said, IME it tracks single notes fine with dirt, and you will hear much more pitch shift than dirt with mix control dimed.
I've said it before, I'll say it again, I would happily swap the stereo in and outs on the M9 for an effects loop a la the M13. But you aren't listening, are you Line6? You guys are sitting around with tribal tattoos, drinking mountain dew, and watching wrestling. Somehow, I just know it.