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HHS vs HSH. What's the diff?

Frog Antlers
June 22nd, 2012, 04:49 AM
I have these pickups in my strat clone. I know this is tele only tech talk, but I was wondering what kind of wiring suggestions you might have for me. I love the tele neck pickup. I was wondering if Nashville wiring is an option, or some kind of weird fat strat/tele mix.

Neck- two wire American Tele pickup

Middle- four wire Seymour Duncan little 59

Bridge-four wire Seymour Duncan hot rails

I see all sorts of HSH wiring diagrams, but no diagrams of HHS. What's the diff? Can I use HSH diagrams and just switch the pickup slots after its all wired up? Wouldn't that screw up the 5 way switching?

Feel free to tell me what YOU would do with these in a strat. As long as I can get classic tele tone with my neck pickup, go wild.

spook777
June 22nd, 2012, 08:13 PM
I see all sorts of HSH wiring diagrams, but no diagrams of HHS. What's the diff? Can I use HSH diagrams and just switch the pickup slots after its all wired up? Wouldn't that screw up the 5 way switching?

Feel free to tell me what YOU would do with these in a strat. As long as I can get classic tele tone with my neck pickup, go wild.

HSH doesn't equal HHS. Maybe think of it as BMN (B=bridge, m=middle, n=neck) when it refers to it...the order is only dependent on the soldering of the switch.

Check out the Duncan HSH (http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=HSH_1v_1t_5w). The switch location of 1-5 of a 5way is dependent on the lug combinations. So technically forget all the H's and S's and read it as:
Position 1: Lug 1
Position 2: Lug 1 + 2
Posision 3: Lug 2
Position 4: Lug 2 + 3
Position 5: Lug 3

So if you really wanted the Tele sounds, switch the middle and neck positions:

Position 1: Lug 1 - Bridge
Position 2: Lug 1 + 2 - Bridge + Neck
Posision 3: Lug 2 - Neck
Position 4: Lug 2 + 3 - Neck + Middle
Position 5: Lug 3 - Middle

You only end up losing the Bridge + middle sound in that arrangement and it's not completely intuitive for switch location.

If you incorporate a push-pull pot, you could in theory wire it normal and turn on a single pickup in conjunction with the switch. I have my strat wired this way. If I'm in the neck position, it's just the neck sound. If I pull up on the push-pull, it turns on the bridge, giving me the tele bridge/neck combo. In position 4 it turns all 3 pickups on with it up. I can't recall exactly the wiring, but I think it is post output of the switch. The other positions are 2 & 3 are identical with bridge/middle, and 1 is bridge with it up or down.

Frog Antlers
June 22nd, 2012, 10:29 PM
Wow, that's a nifty sounding mod you've got on your strat, Spook. Thanks for clearing up my initial questions! That is useful info, and helps fill in my meager knowledge of how those damn fender switches work!

I put this question in Tele Technical cause I was hoping someone might have some fantasy fender tele custom wiring ideas, or fat Nashville ideas, or...

Any takers?