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Am I losing tone...

ADinNYC
June 21st, 2012, 04:09 PM
by having digital pedals mixed in with analogs?

I have a bunch of Wampler pedals but I also have two Hardwires (Reverb and Chorus). These use ADA converters right? Is my tone suffering as a result?

Thanks

Andrew

lefty73
June 21st, 2012, 04:17 PM
Absolutely positively no way. Tone-meister David Grissom (http://www.davidgrissom.com/blog/i_have_a_new_pedalboard) would agree, as would Nels Cline (http://nelscline.com/images/pedal05a.jpg) and Redd Volkaert (http://www.tdpri.com/forum/stomp-box/332972-redd-volkaerts-pedalboard.html). Plus about a thousand others that have analog pedals right next to digital ones.

Digital pedals don't use ADA converters in the extent you might be thinking. Yes, they convert analog to digital back to analog, but it's a much more simple process compared to converting mastered, full-range analog audio to a digital format (i.e. master tape to CD or MP3).

You're fine. Enjoy the tone!

waparker4
June 21st, 2012, 04:19 PM
I'm assuming since you're asking that you don't notice any suffering in tone.

I am not sure, but those pedals might pass the dry signal without AD/DA conversion, and only do the conversion on the wet effected signal. That would make sense to me from a design standpoint.

Dr. Pants
June 21st, 2012, 04:24 PM
I follow this link: Tone-meister David Grissom would agree: http://www.pedalboardpics.com/images...pedalboard.jpg

And I get this:

artdecade
June 21st, 2012, 04:28 PM
Only you could tell us. Take your cable and put it between the guitar and amp. Play and listen. Do the same thing with the pedals in line. Play and listen. Is there a difference? And it is necessarily a bad one?

Trust your ears, not the forums.

lefty73
June 21st, 2012, 04:28 PM
I follow this link: Tone-meister David Grissom would agree: http://www.pedalboardpics.com/images...pedalboard.jpg

And I get this:

O.... K. Wow, that's terrible. No idea what's going on there. I've edited my reply since the original submission - try it now?

And to get the thread back on track, what artdecade said ultimately rules the day as you're playing. But you can rest assured you're no worse for the wear having Wamplers in line with other, digital pedals.

waparker4
June 21st, 2012, 04:29 PM
O.... K. Wow, that's terrible. No idea what's going on there. I've edited my reply since the original submission - try it now?

Still there

gpasq
June 21st, 2012, 04:29 PM
How do you "lose tone"? You either like what you've got or not, no?

New2Teles
June 21st, 2012, 04:30 PM
by having digital pedals mixed in with analogs?

I have a bunch of Wampler pedals but I also have two Hardwires (Reverb and Chorus). These use ADA converters right? Is my tone suffering as a result?

Thanks

Andrew

If you have a digital delay pedal and you take it out of your chain, then your digital delay tone would certainly suffer :grin:

To be perfectly honest, I have used a mixture of digital, analog(ue), true bypass, buffered (good and bad), "hardwire" bypass, notorious tone suckers, some pedals that are famous for making my tone better when off than on (.... words fail me with that one), batteries, posh power supply, awful power supplies, you get the picture. The point is, it all has nsome kind of, parden the pun, "effect" on my sound. Whether you like that or not is up to you. As soon as you introduce more cable, your sound will change, even with no pedals. I think if you can't re-EQ your amp to compensate for what will ultimately amount to a loss of high-end, and it really bothers you, then seek a resolution - if not, just forget and it and play on. Certainly live, the only thing that ever became a real problem for me was excessive noise (hiss and hum etc), which was mainly down to pickups, power supplies and sheer volume.

You need the hearing of a bat to pick up what mixing digital and analogue pedals would do to your sound - you're far more likely to notice the effects of different cable (which I think is also overstated on the web, IMHO), power supplies and buffers. The most important part is... what difference do you hear?

lefty73
June 21st, 2012, 04:32 PM
Still there

Changed the link in my reply (post no. 2) to the most current from David's site. I think that's a vile way for a website (http://www.pedalboardpics.com/) to say "stop hotlinking to the images on this site".

tazzboy
June 21st, 2012, 08:46 PM
What Pedals type are you using like Wampler what?