why do i like old stuff?

is it because i'm old?

only the young like new stuff?

I think it's because old stuff is better?



That's my reason anyway

I do too. I can't explain why. I like old guitars, cars, and military rifles. Or maybe we all like older stuff that have stood the test of time?

They just don't make ____ like they used to

I think it's because old stuff is better?

That's my reason anyway

I disagree...

You can find new stuff made in America built very good. Better than the new made in China stuff. Of course your going to pay more for something of better quality.

Nostalgia is a longing for a past that never existed.

I think it's because old stuff is better?



That's my reason anyway

+1 ... and if we're talking music, there was once enough money sloshing around from record sales that lots of creative people could making livings doing it.

"Nostalgia is a longing for a past that never existed."

Ahh, but parts of it did, and still does. When I was a kid my first good amp was an Ampeg Reverbojet, around 1969. I sold it to trade up to another amp in the early '70s and for a long time, wished I didn't. A few years ago after much searching (they are not easy to find) I found another one. Now, I can plug my 1969 Tele into it (I didn't sell THAT) and it's like a time machine back to when I first started playing.

+1 ... and if we're talking music, there was once enough money sloshing around from record sales that lots of creative people could making livings doing it.

Do you really believe there's less creativity in modern music?

Do you think it's the exact same amount?

+1 ... and if we're talking music, there was once enough money sloshing around from record sales that lots of creative people could making livings doing it.

Interesting point. You mean it's a fast turnover these days?

Do you think it's the exact same amount?

I don't think it's really measurable, but there are countless artists around now pushing boundaries and creating great music. If people aren't finding it then they're not looking hard enough or in the right places.

I think we like old stuff because it's safe. Old stuff is tried and tested. We don't have to form opinions on old stuff, we already know what most people think about it.

New stuff can be scary.

Nostalgia is also a VERY powerful thing.

Good answer J-man!



Purpletele, your response is confusing to me.

"We don't have to form opinions on old stuff, we already know what most people think about it."

What does what other people think have to do with my own opinion?

Purpletele, your response is confusing to me.

"We don't have to form opinions on old stuff, we already know what most people think about it."

What does what other people think have to do with my own opinion?

This is what I mean in a sense : This was just the first of countless articles I found, but I think you see what I'm getting at. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-ferry/self-help-why-do-we-care_b_615063.html

Hey PT, that was an interesting article, thanks for posting it

I like older stuff too, mainly because it reminds me of and gives me a phsyical connection to the past.
I think it has something to do with durability.
When people buy collectibles they are expected to have some patina, or evidence of being exposed to the elements.
I think it kind of reminds people of their own patina. :smile:

There is a very interesting trait in humans. The Chinese call it "all the universe is a mirror".
In order to identify or understand an object you first have to have experienced the faculty of the object itself. We really can't help but attribute human characteristics, even if we don't do it consciously, to things.
When we define someone by their characteristics the only way we can understand is if we have experience the characteristic ourselves.

This is especially evident with babies and toddlers, but it continues throughout our life.
So I personally believe that there is something in the object that triggers something in us that links us to the past and a fond memory.

I like old stuff when I was a kid. My first bass, when I was 11-12, was an old Fender P bass and a silverface Bassman 100. Played an old gibson jazz box. I think they set a standard of quality that manufacturers are still struggling to match. I think they look cool too, even as a kid.

And to be clear I too like old stuff.

-I bought a pre CBS Mustang because i thought the history was cool.
-I only own one amp made after 1962.
-I only buy vinyl
-I collect old magazines and books and especially cookbooks
-I make more flea markets trips than I do any other shopping other than grocery shopping

I don't think old stuff is better, but I do really like it.

Nostalgia is a longing for a past that never existed.

Sounds like Steampunk

Nostalgia is a longing for a past that never existed.

Who is credited with this quote? Could be true if referring to love lost, angst or happiness.

Old "stuff" is cool because it not only lasts longer than new stuff but can be repaired when it finally does bite it. Most old stuff was built to be fixable. New stuff is "use it 'till it breaks and go buy a new one".

What is it called when you long for a past that did exist?

We like 'old' stuff because of adolescence. When we hit that time in our lives, we tend to bond to stuff, like musical styles, or styles of dress, or cars, etc. How many people do you know who seem to be living in the past? It's bceause their likes and dislikes solidified during their teenage years.

For me, there's a lot of stuff I bonded with young, like the TV shows of the 60's and 70's, B monster movies (usually the ones shown on TV during my formative years), and some types of music, meaning pop/rock from the 50's through about 85. the reason that's about 35 years is that the oldies stations played stuff from the 50's when I was young, and MTV came in when I was older.

I have a problem with bonding with the newer stuff. It just does nothing for me. But a lot of the big band stuff and 30's jazz does. Not sure why.

Work-wise, I don't have such a problem, being as I was an early adopter of computers, and make my living at it. I'm not sure why I have trouble in one area but not another.

What is it called when you long for a past that did exist?

Sad.


Kidding.. kidding.. :razz:

Haha! That sounds about right

yarbols, i'm modern, i smash my laptop and burn it after every post

Do you really believe there's less creativity in modern music?

Once, the creativity appeared front and center.

Now, you have to look all around the fringes to find it sometimes. In the sea of Beyonces, creativity does not come looking for you - you gotta go find it.

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I think in 1965 there were a lot of missed opportunities, of people who could've made a big impact but they'd made other choices and were busy doing other things. Over time everything changed. Since 2005, it seems everyone has some sort of minimal shot at breaking though, but each must now compete with just stupidly large numbers of fame seekers who want the lifestyle and the attention and don't have anything personally theirs I want to hear or see. The ones with true creative gifts are quite often trampled and pushed out of the way.

is it because i'm old?

only the young like new stuff?

We like stuff we've been around a lot and gotten accustomed to.

The window to the world was once much smaller; we focused on a smaller number of things, repeated exposure to them until they ingrained. These memories grabbed the best seats in the house and to some extent have hung onto them.

Newer experiences are bewilderingly numerous, diverse and complex. We seldom find time to full ingrain on them, and they have to compete with other memorized things that got there much earlier and have real deep roots.

The young have the flexibility of not having been there in 1965 and they get to "start fresh" but they're just being swamped with so much; their choices have got to be very difficult where ours in 1965 were comparatively easy. There's some book out there recently about post 2000 man having too many choices - but since I read it after having read 20,000 other books first I have forgotten the title and the author.......if you can imagine. :wink:

Who is credited with this quote? Could be true if referring to love lost, angst or happiness.

Not a quote so I guess it's me, but I refuse any credit. Many, many people have said close to the same thing when opining on nostalgia and longing for the past.

My favorite: Nostalgia - J-B Pontalis, Windows, University of Nebraska Press, 2003.

Sounds like Steampunk

You nailed it.

Life in the past was not simpler, not easier, not better, nor less morally ambiguous than today. Just different.

If you gave people chance to play a guitar or car from the fifties they'd say "cool, I want that and I would love to have been around when all this cool stuff existed!"

If you gave people a chance to work in a coal mine from the fifties - with all vintage safety equipment, because modern replacements would lessen the value of the experience, kinda like refinishing an old Tele - I'm betting the answer would be a lot different.

It can't be that - I'm young and prefer the old stuff.

Most of the new things in the charts aren't good (unless their dance songs played in a club, then they work!), but things outside the mainstream that harken back to the Golden-era (late 50s to early 80s) are still out their in abundance!

^this

I used to like new stuff, but then the STUFF got old....

Everyone that bemoans nostalgia as some kind of poison seems to overlook this particular phenomenon.

I'm not smart enough to figure out what that is, but surely it's something?


Ever since I can remember, my tastes have been drawn towards previous decades. Is this not nostalgia? I didn't live through it, how could it be?


Obviously, we live in the best of times, as far as cultural and technological advancement goes. In this vacuum of life, everything is at our fingertips, now more than ever. So why are people still drawn to the past?

Especially if it's a past they never lived through?


And, do people that have a problem with nostalgia, have a problem with their own past?

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This is old pop music.

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This is a current real popular song that reflects the current state of pop.

I like the old stuff better.

My Dad has always called me a throwback and I'm currently 35. Love history, antiques, and old stuff in general. Music is no different. Even the new stuff I like has a bit of a vintage vibe to it. My gear is all vintage, or reissue, and I don't do modeling amps.

I've been into blues since I was a kid. Not that cheesy stuff, I'm talkin' old country, down and dirty delta blues to Chicago, and Texas.

If you ask me, the old stuff IS the good stuff, and that's why you like it.

Some old stuff is good. But remember they invented "planned obsolesence" in the sixties. For those of you not old enough, that was a marketing-manufacturing scheme to make things so they broke/became unusable after a few years forcing you to buy the "next/new" one.

Used to drive people crazy back in the good old days.

Not a quote so I guess it's me, but I refuse any credit. Many, many people have said close to the same thing when opining on nostalgia and longing for the past.

My favorite: Nostalgia - J-B Pontalis, Windows, University of Nebraska Press, 2003.

I was just yankin' your chain. I googled quotes and found numerous pages of psychodrivel regarding nostalgia.:mrgreen:

Old stuff is not stuff that never existed. And if it's still here and accessible, it's not the past either. It may have existed in the past, but it still exists, therefore it is part of the present. It's just older than new stuff. Blowing it or people liking it off as "nostalgia" is no more useful or real than nostalgia is.

Good old stuff is good. Good new stuff is good. Obsession with things because they are either old or new does not add value to either one.

They just don't make ____ like they used to

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I have always haunted antique stores, even as a kid. Old things just appealed to me for some reason. the store owners always thought I was going to steal something, or they chased me out after a while. There was antique dealer who claimed to have a ton of 78 rpm records. I wanted to look through them, but he wouldn't allow it. I can understand why now, but back then, I didn't. I had some money and would have bought some. I loved the big bands from the 30's and 40's, and still do.

I think as we reach a certain age, we pine for the things of our youth and "the way it used to be." I remember looking through the bins in record stores in 1965 and '66 and seeing Chocolate Watch Band, Them, The Barbarians, Thirteenth Floor Elevators, Cryan Shames, Pretty Things, Paul Revere & the Raiders, Shadows Of Knight, Standells, and every other band imaginable. Now, you flip through the CD rack and it's a totally different world of music. Great music was everywhere. Now, you have to hunt for it.

If I knew than what I know now, I would have had my father buy five '59 Les Paul Standards at $247 each and just put them away unplayed.

Interesting point. You mean it's a fast turnover these days?

Yes, once artists could develop and record companies could afford to have many on their rosters because a single hit could keep it all going. Physical recording media made money.

These days it's about the fast buck.

There's probably lots of creative artists out there but they're lost without the filtering, promo and support to develop professionally from smaller financially viable labels.

I miss the old nostalgia. Back in the old days, the older days were so much better.

Lather, rinse, repeat.