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Need a look see at my Kalamazoo Model 2 layout

Dennis Perusse
May 7th, 2012, 10:48 PM
Hello,




A while back I did a Kalamazoo model 1 layout using the cleaned up schematic done by Miles O'Neal. I originally did it since no one had done it before and I wanted to challenge myself to do one. That was the perfect opportunity in my own eyes to try out. Opinions were varied but positive, and although I had not real definite yay or nay that it was right I had, at least, the confidence to one day try to do a layout for the Model 2. I originally wanted to do it first but wasn't sure if I could do it right.

Having finished up my champ amp I figured that I'd put pen to ink + a scanner and see if I could do up the Model 2's layout. Now obviously I know that the only way to truly test my layout, whether it be for the Model 1 or Model 2 will work is just to build them both. But in the interest of spreading out knowledge and becoming more knowledgeable myself I'd rather submit it to all of you and see what you think about it. I know that the Model 2 is loved by Harp players for its sound and with it's tremolo.

I've also made some changes in the layout that differs from the schematic. I took the Hi/Low inputs from Fender, plus I also have use of a brass plate in my layout. Some will make plain that the grounds should be a star ground and some may differ. I figured that if it worked for fender it should work okay here. Besides, prototypes are fun even when you see the mistakes that seemed like good ideas or build practices at the time. :oops:

Plus I also upped the values on what was the multi-cap in the original amp to handle the low end better. Again where this is on paper then, in my head, it should be okay. It'll only be if people decide to build it if they feel that it is okay in its approach. I also put a pilot light on the heater side of it which is also different plus I also put a separate on/off switch too as I felt that that would clean up things a little bit better.

So if anyone can give me both constructive as well as negative criticism that would be cool. This is one amp I would love to build but really need help in ascertaining if my layout is good. I know that some on this list have cloned this amp or have wanted to clone this amp. My apologies if it looks somewhat hard to read the scanner can make some images look blurry sometimes. :smile: I can't thank you all enough for your time and efforts and am looking forward to your comments.

Dennis

firemedic
May 8th, 2012, 10:34 AM
Looks good to me....

Consider mounting the input gridstoppers (47k) directly on pin 7 of the input tube, instead of on the board. That way they will provide the best noise reduction.

Also, the cathode wire to pin 3 of the same tube is kinda long; even though it is low impedance & thus less prone to noise, you may want to use a shielded wire or route the wire away from the other tubes/heaters.

I'm sure you'll get some more suggestions presently.
Good luck!

Dennis Perusse
May 8th, 2012, 12:15 PM
Firemedic,


Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it. :-) I do wonder if I do get around to reconstructing this should I do it as a head or do it as a combo amp? With a head I can use a lot more speaker setups but with a combo amp I can just use an external jack. Both would have to have a larger OT to really bring out the tone in the circuit but I'm not sure which way to go. Any ideas out there?

Robster
May 13th, 2012, 09:25 PM
Thanks for the layouts on the Model one and two amps. I printed your model one so I could use it soon when I build one. I hand drew a wretched mess, but your layout will help me a LOT! We do appreciate the work you put into them!
Thanks!
Rob

Dennis Perusse
May 14th, 2012, 11:36 AM
Robster,


Thank you for the kind words. I look forward to when you build the Model 1 and hopefully all on this list will see a build thread on it. I figure that the more people chime in on it and try it out the more that the layout will evolve.
Still, though, I have to give a special shout out to Miles O'Neal who redid the original schematic as he cleaned up a lot of stuff on the original schematic. Also to Greg over at blowsmeaway productions for repairing and rebuilding Kalamazoo model 2's. Sometime I'll get around to doing a Model 2 but if I do it's gonna be different what what was originally done.

Dennis

TNO
May 14th, 2012, 12:43 PM
40uF is a bit too high for a 5Y3. I've re-built tons of Gibbies and Kalamazoos and 30-10-10 works really well. The bump from 20 to 30 or 32 on the first filter really helps the amp produce clean bass. The other two filters sound great at 10uF. Going higher there makes the amp a bit less "lively" and there's no need since the stock value is enough to prevent hum.

Robster
May 14th, 2012, 08:23 PM
Dennis, Miles is a nice guy why dont you send him your layout maybe he can add it to his website?

Dennis Perusse
May 14th, 2012, 09:16 PM
Tno, the rectifier tube is a 6x4 not a 5y3 but I hear what your saying about having it up too high in terms of filtering.

Robster, Yeah sounds like a plan. I'll send him both the model one and the model 2 layout tomorrow and see what he thinks about them. :-)

Dennis