Loomis and Saints Eavesdropping?

Just read an article that alleges that Mickey Loomis (Saints GM) had surveillance equipment in the visitors locker room so that he could listen in on their meetings.

They deny it 1000% (which shows their efficacy in hyperbole if not math)...

Their credibility is somewhat lacking at this point (although they only denied the bounty stuff 150%) and the reporters could be incorrect...

At some point, for the sake of the appearance of integrity, does the ownership get banned like DeBartolo did for his bribery stuff (also with the governor in Louisiana)?

In economics, you stress the value of the appearance of a fair market... at some point can a team be caught enough for being scoundrels and not be allowed to continue?

The Saints are the Bobby Petrino of the NFL.

So if they pull the Saints' SuperBowl win against the Colts, does that mean Peyton Manning finally gets his 2nd ring? :lol:

I feel really sorry for the fans in New Orleans who do not deserve this, but -

Its time for the NFL to put the hammer down on this criminal organization, sell the franchise to new owners, and move the team to another city.

HA!

Just like dumb jocks. If they had any sense at all, they'd place a hidden camera in the cheerleaders dressing room.

It always amazes me how supposedly "smart" people get caught doing such dumb things. Whether it pro team execs and coaches, athletes, politicians, movie stars, or business execs, is it the ego, arrogance or what that makes them think they can get away with such stupid *****?

HA!

Just like dumb jocks. If they had any sense at all, they'd place a hidden camera in the cheerleaders dressing room.

you must not be a dumb jock... if you were, you'd know that by being really good at sports, you don't have to spy on the cheerleaders, they will take their clothes off for you without hesitation...

that is why dumb jocks are usually in a good mood.

Let's just take every sucker in New Orleans, and dump them in a landfill or something.

Thank Goodness for Tom Benson. Buying the Hornets, what a cool move to try and tamp down the despondency.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/04/louisiana_ranks_as_the_least_p.html

Louisiana has been the "least peaceful state" for 20 years in a row, they said.

I feel really sorry for the fans in New Orleans who do not deserve this, but -

Its time for the NFL to put the hammer down on this criminal organization, sell the franchise to new owners, and move the team to another city.

You feel sorry for Saints fans but you want the franchise sold and moved to another city? Gee thanks...

The evidence I have would not cover a mole on a gnat's chin...but for years I have felt that there is simply too much money involved with the NFL for it to be anything but crooked from top to bottom.

I have worked at a small school in Iowa for over 30 years and have seen the "win at all costs" attitude that is pervasive in HS sports. (Although the teams here rarely win...ah! the irony of that!) I can't, for even a nanosecond, imagine that this culture is not vertically integrated into professional sports.

It will be interesting to see how much more crud and muck gets uncovered in conjunction with the Saints.

If it was "reported" on ESPN, I seriously doubt its veracity . . . .

The eavesdropping story is total bunk. Period.

You feel sorry for Saints fans but you want the franchise sold and moved to another city? Gee thanks...

Thats what I was thinking!

Let's just take every sucker in New Orleans, and dump them in a landfill or something.

Thank Goodness for Tom Benson. Buying the Hornets, what a cool move to try and tamp down the despondency.
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/04/louisiana_ranks_as_the_least_p.html

Louisiana has been the "least peaceful state" for 20 years in a row, they said.

Not having to pay a head coach and GM for an entire season and your interim coach for half a season really frees you up to take on other financial ventures. Not too mention eliminating the price take of top draft picks for multiple seasons! Benson should've invested in the future of the Saints and find a legitimate coach instead of purchasing a franchise no one in the state cares about.

The eavesdropping story is total bunk. Period.

I remember when Canseco's book came out and he was shouted down, called a liar and completely discredited....

He is a scoundrel and a liar and a not too savory character...

but, everything he wrote turned out to be true....

I will watch as this story continues to unfold... it will be interesting to see if the folks who were caught lying through their teeth about the bounty stuff are suddenly full of truth on this.

Not having to pay a head coach and GM for an entire season and your interim coach for half a season really frees you up to take on other financial ventures. Not too mention eliminating the price take of top draft picks for multiple seasons! Benson should've invested in the future of the Saints and find a legitimate coach instead of purchasing a franchise no one in the state cares about.

How old is Tom Benson?

When his son died, and his first GM (Mr. Jim Finks) died, I think it occurred to Tom he couldn't take the money with him. He doesn't care about the salaries for Coach Peyton and GM Mickey Loomis. If he could pay them on the side and not get caught, he'd do it.

I know the rest of the state didn't know the Hornets existed; I looked at the season's tickets and where they were sold and it is a local thing. But these locals are the ones I'm scared for. People in 70% of the state are fine; they can't be bothered about New Orleans. Benson thinks the 2012 Saints season is f$2ked and I tend to agree with him so who cares what coach they have as long as Drew and a few other key guys are able to cope with a dead season.

And now another former NFL defensive player, a guy named Ray Easterling, has died at his own hand.

A former Falcon, he started only 14 games ( played in 83 of them ) and yet he sustained a head injury that reportedly made his life impossible. What a cruel irony, that Goodell has killed or nearly killed the Saints, and the NFL is still gonna get the cr*p kicked out of them in the courtroom on these head injury cases that have been accumulating for so long.

two things can be equally true:

1) the Saints killed themselves by cheating and doing awful things
2) the NFL is morally bankrupt

it can also be true that the head injury 'big case' is about to be here and it will change the game in a way that will make it nearly unrecognizable and potentially cripple its market potential.

We can call the cop an ass for pulling us over for DUI, but, if we're drunk, we're an ass too.

All I know is, I can get on the Interstate in New Orleans at for example 9:00 A.M. and drive 60-70 mph 10 miles to my exit without lifting. Where have all the people gone?

If there was ever a time that powerful idiots like Goodell should go easy on a city (however full of self loathing it may be) that would be right now.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/04/louisiana_the_least_congenial.html#incart_hbx

Ahh... it's a beautiful day when my team is no longer considered the most scandalous and reviled in the NFL. Yes, I'm a Patriots fan.

Ahh... it's a beautiful day when my team is no longer considered the most scandalous and reviled in the NFL. Yes, I'm a Patriots fan.

And it is a beautiful day when the biggest (and toughest to beat) rival in your division are falling apart at the seams, like the Saints are.

...If there was ever a time that powerful idiots like Goodell should go easy on a city (however full of self loathing it may be) that would be right now.

Yeah using that logic, the "powerful idiots" should probably just let the Lions, Tigers, Pistons, and Red Wings commit murder during a game because Detroit is such a mess.


Forget accountability for cheating and purposely injuring other players - We need a Championship in Detroit!




...and free Delmon while we're at it.

I have worked at a small school in Iowa for over 30 years and have seen the "win at all costs" attitude that is pervasive in HS sports.
sad, isn't it? i wish schools had a budget for learning and mentoring people to be better workers and citizens instead of everything being focused on sports and cheer leading.

Yeah using that logic, the "powerful idiots" should probably just let the Lions, Tigers, Pistons, and Red Wings commit murder during a game because Detroit is such a mess.


Forget accountability for cheating and purposely injuring other players - We need a Championship in Detroit!




...and free Delmon while we're at it.

We tried to look the other way, at the way the Lions got the job done this year. In part because Detroit has its troubles.

Yes, I would say more New Orleanians who went away to Detroit came home, than those who went anywhere else that I've known over the past 40 years.

If you think sports is as important in Detroit as it is in New Orleans, there's nothing else I can say; you're just not familiar enough with this area as I am with yours (when I turn off the NOLA accent, people always ask if I am from Toledo). Detroit's issues have come slowly, slowly over time; people who remain have had plenty of time to adapt to what they wake up to, or move on.

And finally, truth be told, Detroit life is not really vastly dissimilar from Chicago life or Cleveland life, not really. The hard part about putting New Orleans permanently out of its misery is (and most people understand this) there really is no other place like New Orleans. You can't replace it once it is gone.

We tried to look the other way, at the way the Lions got the job done this year. In part because Detroit has its troubles.

Yes, I would say more New Orleanians who went away to Detroit came home, than those who went anywhere else that I've known over the past 40 years.

If you think sports is as important in Detroit as it is in New Orleans, there's nothing else I can say; you're just not familiar enough with this area as I am with yours (when I turn off the NOLA accent, people always ask if I am from Toledo). Detroit's issues have come slowly, slowly over time; people who remain have had plenty of time to adapt to what they wake up to, or move on.

And finally, truth be told, Detroit life is not really vastly dissimilar from Chicago life or Cleveland life, not really. The hard part about putting New Orleans permanently out of its misery is (and most people understand this) there really is no other place like New Orleans. You can't replace it once it is gone.

So, your reply is basically: "NOLA is a troubled city where Sports are important to their troubled people so we need to condone behavior from their sports teams that would be unacceptable elsewhere, even Detroit."

I'm sorry, but nope.

NOLA isn't so special that they get special rules for their sports teams. You equate punishing a Sports Team to permanently putting a city out of existence. That is some pretty self serving hyperbole. If the fans can't have a strong enough self identity without condoning their sports teams to cheat and otherwise be given special treatment - well then I guess the fans going to have to find a new (and hopefully more healthy) source of self identification.

And when was Detroit given a pass for how they "got the job done this year"? Are you implying that Detroit cheated? Because nobody looked the other way when Suh stomped on Evan Dietrich-Smith. He was vilified by fans and media across the nation - including right here in Detroit. Rightfully so. I love the guy and think he is an amazing player - but he embarrassed himself, his team, and yes, he embarrassed Detroit by his actions. Most Detroit fans can admit that.

And it is a beautiful day when the biggest (and toughest to beat) rival in your division are falling apart at the seams, like the Saints are.

I remember following the Buffalo Bills in the 90s when everyone in their division was a joke and they won everything year after year.

The problem was, the Bills never got the adequate challenge to their team during the season to prepare them for the NFC teams they faced in the Superbowl, and they were totally humiliated twice, some would say 3 times.

Atlanta could, if the Saints are decimated, find themselves the least sucky of 4 teams in their division. The Falcons would be bounced even harder out of the playoffs than they get bounced now. Explain to me again how this is good, after what happened to you guys not long ago?

Be careful what you pray for. The Giants often have to play tough teams, over and over and over again and guess what? When the Superbowl does show up on their schedule, they are ready. The Atlanta Falcons have never been ready for that phone call; maybe they never will be.