best tubes for worship?

For all worship players with tube amps? What are some good tubes to use?
I like a good amount of dirt..but also a lot of cleans.
I'm playing through a fender hot rod deluxe and a strat

The EL84 is very popular for low watt amps. I prefer the 6V6. It's found in the classic Fender amps like the Champ, Deluxe and the Deluxe Reverb. It does 'clean' quite well.

I'm thinkin' the Hot Rod Deluxe uses two 6L6's for power tubes. Tuto103-post this question over at Amp Central Station-lots of knowledgable folks over there. Wally is one.

Black Doug-i totally agree with you on the 6V6-my fav too.

I worship all tubes.

Obviously.......

Winged C!

Obviously.......

Winged C!

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Yeah, my first thought was brand, too! That said, I'm an EL-84 kinda guy, but I play an Egnater Rebel 30, so I have 2 of each. Normally just play the EL-84s though.

Obviously.......

Winged C!

This may seem a dumb question, but what is Winged C?

This may seem a dumb question, but what is Winged C?



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The EL84 is very popular for low watt amps.

What's considered a low what amp???

I guess that's debatable but for me it's 30 watts and under.

Tuto113, fwiw the circuit may have more to do with what you are looking for than the tubes that are used.
For your amp that you have now, I am going to suggest that you put a 12AY7 in V1. Thsiiwll change the sweep in that Volume pot and make it muchmore useful. The 12AY7 also makes the Drive function a bit sweeter...compared tot he harsh OD that that amp yields normally.
As for the output section, have the bias checked and warm the current draw up if the amp is running to the cool side of things. The Hot Rod amps have as a basis the basic aspects of a 5F6A BAssman sitting in there. IF you get the voluem control into a useful situation and if the bias is warm, you can probably get where you are wanting to go with it.
To the question....the Winged C is the best new production 6L6 there is on the market for my ear. IT also is the most expensive. I don't' know if I woudldspend the bucks for these tubes to go in ah HRD amp...but then, I am not likely to be playing on an HRD. I like Winged C's in BF and SF FEnders...adn deem the expense acceptable.

And...imho....revereance is in the hands of the be-picking.

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I sacrifice a goat to Lord Telefunken each week.

When I was amp shopping this last year, I was surprised at the tubes used on some of the higher end amps I was hearing. I heard some EL84s that sounded like 6L6s, etc. The shop owner recommended not to worrying about the type of tube and to concentrate more on what I liked and sounded good. Great advice, especially since there are so many great amp builders who can work wonders with amp circuits. So if you can, try a bunch of stuff and buy what sounds good.

I'd use the Yellow Jacket Tube converter for Worship.
http://www.amplifiedparts.com/products/amp_parts/P-YJS
That way tubes of all denominations and faith could bewelcomed into the Service and their talents be amplified :-)

I'd use the Yellow Jacket Tube converter for Worship.
http://www.amplifiedparts.com/products/amp_parts/P-YJS
That way tubes of all denominations and faith could bewelcomed into the Service and their talents be amplified :-)

Amen. Wise words brother.

contender for most unfathomable thread title in recent times. but i wish only fortune upon your quest.

really?

i have no idea whats in my Tiny Terror but i like it.

I don't have a hot rod deluxe, but I do have a blues junior that I use at church. ohh man, I don't think I should say this but here it goes. Don't get JJ's ! Everyone says it's the best tube brand on the market, but I like the groove tubes better than JJ's. I put NOS RCA's in the power, and NOS Sylvanias in the preamp of the junior. Old tubes are better than new tubes, but that's just my opinion. But if you can't get NOS tubes, go with other peoples advice and get those terrible JJ's. I'm not attacking anyone, I just can't stand those tubes. They make the amp sound so harsh, and unmusical.

I don't have a hot rod deluxe, but I do have a blues junior that I use at church. ohh man, I don't think I should say this but here it goes. Don't get JJ's ! Everyone says it's the best tube brand on the market, but I like the groove tubes better than JJ's. I put NOS RCA's in the power, and NOS Sylvanias in the preamp of the junior. Old tubes are better than new tubes, but that's just my opinion. But if you can't get NOS tubes, go with other peoples advice and get those terrible JJ's. I'm not attacking anyone, I just can't stand those tubes. They make the amp sound so harsh, and unmusical.

I concur. I'm currently considering replacements for the JJs in my Princeton Reverb. Swapped out all the Pre tubes with Mullard or JAN tubes.

I don't have a hot rod deluxe, but I do have a blues junior that I use at church. ohh man, I don't think I should say this but here it goes. Don't get JJ's ! Everyone says it's the best tube brand on the market, but I like the groove tubes better than JJ's. I put NOS RCA's in the power, and NOS Sylvanias in the preamp of the junior. Old tubes are better than new tubes, but that's just my opinion. But if you can't get NOS tubes, go with other peoples advice and get those terrible JJ's. I'm not attacking anyone, I just can't stand those tubes. They make the amp sound so harsh, and unmusical.

Tell me, Do they sound like light bulbs rattling in my amp? I recently put JJ's in and now I got glassy rattling NOT coming through my speaker... I have tightened everything gone through everything and man I think it is the tubes?

Tell me, Do they sound like light bulbs rattling in my amp? I recently put JJ's in and now I got glassy rattling NOT coming through my speaker... I have tightened everything gone through everything and man I think it is the tubes?

Could be. IIRC, that's why Egnater quit using them.

This thread has me reminiscing - I had Sovtek's in my Peavey Classic 30 that I REALLY loved. <sigh> Great amp for worship, too.

This thread has me reminiscing - I had Sovtek's in my Peavey Classic 30 that I REALLY loved. <sigh> Great amp for worship, too.

I just scored a Classic 30 head a few weeks ago and ordered a whole set of jj's for it because the tubes were still the originals (sovteks and eh's). It sounded stale and boring, so I put the softek's back in and it sounds warm again. I never would have thought that!

I don't have a hot rod deluxe, but I do have a blues junior that I use at church. ohh man, I don't think I should say this but here it goes. Don't get JJ's ! Everyone says it's the best tube brand on the market, but I like the groove tubes better than JJ's. I put NOS RCA's in the power, and NOS Sylvanias in the preamp of the junior. Old tubes are better than new tubes, but that's just my opinion. But if you can't get NOS tubes, go with other peoples advice and get those terrible JJ's. I'm not attacking anyone, I just can't stand those tubes. They make the amp sound so harsh, and unmusical.

I googled 'groove tubes' and then clicked on the tubestore.... interesting reading there. You might check it out, jebbo. IF you didn't know it already, you may actualy have JJ's in your amp...because Groove Tubes 'silkscreens' their logo on two different EL-84's and sells them as GT's...JJ's and Sovteks..
AS noted at the top of the literature there at The Tubestore, Groove tubes is not a maker of tubes...except for one 6L6, IIRC> They 'brand' tubes and sell them---at rather high prices compared to the prices you can find for the same tubes elsewhere, ime.

Check it out....

http://thetubestore.com/groovetubes.html


bikercr wrote: "When I was amp shopping this last year, I was surprised at the tubes used on some of the higher end amps I was hearing. I heard some EL84s that sounded like 6L6s, etc."

IN my post right before yours, Bikercr, I pointed out that the circuit is the primary determinant of the ultimate sonics of an amp. You experienced just that. YOu didn't hear EL-84's that sounded like 6L6's. Rather, you heard circuits that sounded like circuits that you have heard and that run 6L6's; but these amps were running EL-84's.
YEs, different tubes...adn different biasing...will change to some degree waht a certain circuit sounds like, but if you modded a Fender Deluxe REverb to run EL-84's in a fixed bias situation, that DR would not sound like what most folks would call an ''EL-84" sound. YEs, if you plug in YEllowjackets, things will change some..because the YEllowjackets apply a cathode biased circuit to the EL-84s. IF you built a swtich in that DR to take the 6V6's form fixed bias to cathode bias, the soncis would change in a manner that might think you had YEllowjackets in there...if you were used to hearing that DR with YEllowjackets/EL-84s in it.
I have tube stereos with EL-84 power tubes. They are not 'jangly' or 'Voxy' sounding. They are full range and clean. IT all starts with the circuit.

Just ask yourself, what tubes would the J man use?:smile:

I don't have a hot rod deluxe, but I do have a blues junior that I use at church. ohh man, I don't think I should say this but here it goes. Don't get JJ's ! Everyone says it's the best tube brand on the market, but I like the groove tubes better than JJ's. I put NOS RCA's in the power, and NOS Sylvanias in the preamp of the junior. Old tubes are better than new tubes, but that's just my opinion. But if you can't get NOS tubes, go with other peoples advice and get those terrible JJ's. I'm not attacking anyone, I just can't stand those tubes. They make the amp sound so harsh, and unmusical.
I recently swapped out all the tubes in mine for JJs and IMO its never sounded better. I am thinking about swapping some of the 12AX7s for JAN 12AT7s to knock down some of the gain on my overdrive channel though.

For the record I play through a Crate Blue Voodoo BV6212 with the overdrive master cranked clear up and the gain somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 way up, none of the EQ knobs over 1/2 way up, it stays fairly clean but breaks up when I want it to with less volume than the clean channel. Anything less than about 70% on the Master knob and it loses the nice warm tube sound and just sounds dead.

Obviously.......

Winged C!

YAY!!


Avoiding Chinese made tubes is half the battle.....

I switched over to JJ's a few years ago. When they work properly they sound relatively great. I get a bad batch every once and awhile. I use KT 88's in my Hiwatt. Very interesting tube.

If your amp hasn't been properly biased then don't even bother talking about tube tone. But then again - volume probably has more effect on your tone than anything.