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Kwerk's 2012 Challenge Build Thread -- COMPLETED

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kwerk
March 13th, 2012, 05:31 PM
I'm a glutton for punishment.

dilbone
March 13th, 2012, 05:33 PM
can't wait to see this one...

kwerk
March 13th, 2012, 05:33 PM
you and me both!

RogerC
March 13th, 2012, 05:45 PM
aww cr@p... :lol:

Seriously, good luck kwerk. I can't wait to see what you do this year.

Muzikp
March 13th, 2012, 05:46 PM
Oh great - what will you inspire me with this time? I'm still trying to master the roman numeral dot markers you turned me onto. No I haven't had much success in case you were wondering :wink:.

I really enjoyed your last years build, looking forward to this one.

ugly_guitar_guy
March 13th, 2012, 05:52 PM
Loved your guitar last year kwerk. Best of luck buddy!

crazydave911
March 13th, 2012, 06:14 PM
Glad to see you in my friend, good luck to you Phil! :grin:

Dave

Picton
March 13th, 2012, 06:30 PM
Looking forward to this one; I'll learn a lot.

R. Stratenstein
March 13th, 2012, 06:39 PM
Maybe with a little luck, there won't be an earthquake this year to slow ya down. . .

jkingma
March 13th, 2012, 07:25 PM
I'm a glutton for punishment.

So am I. I'll be watching closely. :razz:

adirondak5
March 13th, 2012, 07:59 PM
Hey kwerk , glad to see you are in .

Maricopa
March 13th, 2012, 08:10 PM
Did someone ask for punishment? If so you came to the right place. :wink:

vtcyclist
March 13th, 2012, 08:53 PM
So this year the gears will turn also? Good luck and have fun.

hockeygoon
March 13th, 2012, 09:42 PM
Is this one going to be a steam powered locomotive Tele?

Davecam48
March 13th, 2012, 10:53 PM
Pencils, laser beams, croc skins, shells, old clocks and plastic, just how it should be .
Good luck Mate!

waster
March 14th, 2012, 02:07 AM
Go Kwerk!

kwerk
March 14th, 2012, 04:49 AM
Well, I'm not gonna tell you what I'm doing straight away, but it won't be anywhere near as complex a project as last year's was.

Still sticking with the weird materials though, this year I'm using a product called "wood". I have expectations it will work well for this kind of thing.

What I will say is that the guitar is a tribute to a couple of forum members. It would give the game away if I said anymore about that at this stage.

This will be my first guitar with a "painted" finish. I use the word "painted" with quotations becuse, well, you'll see why soon enough. I'm gonna get down to designing in the next couple of days, and hopefully have my materials/proof pic and a start made on them before the weekend, when the floodgates OPEN!!

kwerk
March 14th, 2012, 04:50 AM
Oh, and thanks for the kind words everyone. :smile:

Gotta remember to buy a couple of months paid subscription on Photobucket for uninterrupted viewing. I'll add that to the build list.

CJFearn
March 14th, 2012, 08:54 AM
Go kwerk! :shock: :grin:

flatfive
March 14th, 2012, 02:17 PM
Phil, very glad you're participating.

You say that you've spent much less time thinking about
your entry this year.

I figure we can take the difference in spectacularness between
your entry this year and last, take the difference in how
many hours you planned, and get a spectacularness/hour
number for you. :lol:

PapaLion
March 14th, 2012, 06:33 PM
Wood you send some pics in on the build now and then?

I wood luv 2 sea them.

Wishing you smooth sanding friend.

nosmo
March 14th, 2012, 06:38 PM
I really liked your guitar last year. Can't wait to see what you come up with this year.

Guitarnut
March 15th, 2012, 08:02 AM
Hey Kwerk. Glad to see you in it this year! Anxious to see what you'll build.

You probably should design it in Lightwave first. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mark

kwerk
March 15th, 2012, 08:16 AM
Hey thanks for all the encouragement guys!

Cab, good to see you back! I can't wait to see what work of art you bring us this year!

Glenn, I'm not 100% convinced of your math, but thanks! I'm convinced the answer will be 42.

Bret, so glad you're along for the ride, it's gonna be a lot of fun. As they say down here, Don't let the buggers wear you down! :lol:

Nosmo, good luck with your first! Just realise you've doomed yourself to do this for the rest of your life - remember, as the line in Highlander goes, "there can be only, er, dozens". :mrgreen:

Mark, I only ever use LW for occasionally making money these days. Besides, Leo's already designed it. I just need to make it. :wink:

My weekend comes around first so I guess I'll be kicking it off for the friday night/saturday starting guys and girls. I'm not going for fastest build though!

Good luck to all you guys. This is gonna be such a blast!

:mrgreen:

kwerk
March 17th, 2012, 03:34 AM
And away we go.

I decided I might go a little more down low on the materials front this year. And what could be more down low than this? :shock::mrgreen:


http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7863copy.jpg

From the original machinery that these pallets carried, this stuff has come from the UK. Course, it may have originated elsewhere, but it's very light. If it's pine, it's a lot lighter than the local variety. I need lightweight for this build, so this will be perfect. I'm not worried about knots or defects at all as I' going for something approaching a painted finish.


Into the car it goes

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7862copy.jpg


And at home, with the neck wood, rough sawn matai, which is not as good a quality as my supplier from down in Christchurch, but I'm not worried. It's thicker for a start, so I'm going to experiment with a "one piece" neck with a double action rod.. :shock:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7865copy.jpg

I guess that makes it all official like. :wink:


So, better get started plucking:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7866copy.jpg


After that, I set up the router plane and get down to business. The wood varies in thickness, so I'm orientating on edge.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7867copy.jpg

And, an hour or so later

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7868copy.jpg


Glue and Crampzirra

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7869copy.jpg


Onto the neck. Trying to be economic with the matai plank, I should be able to get another two necks from it.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7870copy.jpg

Planed. This is still nice timber, even though I've had better. It planes beautifully.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7871copy.jpg

Rough cut:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7873copy.jpg


Neck mostly routed (except for the heel) and ready for another day tomorrow. Gotta put the designer hat on tonight. Work to do on that front. :shock:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7874copy.jpg

:wink:

Davecam48
March 17th, 2012, 03:46 AM
:confused:May the fork be with you Luke.... er ........... Phil!

waster
March 17th, 2012, 03:57 AM
I love scrap wood builds, pallets etc

TRexF16
March 17th, 2012, 05:17 AM
Loves me some pallets too! Keep the pics flowing.

Rex

paulmarr
March 17th, 2012, 05:48 AM
Sow's ear to silk purse - looking forward to seeing what you can do with it - lots of pallets lying around! :wink:

Davecam48
March 17th, 2012, 06:45 AM
We have the same router! They are a reasonable unit the old Makitas.

kwerk
March 17th, 2012, 07:20 AM
Yup, I love the old thing, but it's getting noisy. Bearings needed soon methinks.

adirondak5
March 17th, 2012, 09:38 AM
That neck wood , matai , looks quite nice , and the body , I like laminated bodies , once routed and sanded I think they look cool , you are going for a solid color on this or is it going to be a trans. finish ?

kwerk
March 17th, 2012, 09:42 AM
Oooohhh, Herb, I so want to answer that question. :wink:

I'll go with "solid colour".

Davecam48
March 17th, 2012, 09:59 AM
I bet he's going to try a swirl?

adirondak5
March 17th, 2012, 01:13 PM
Oooohhh, Herb, I so want to answer that question. :wink:

I'll go with "solid colour".

Guess I am gonna have to keep an eye on you then :razz:

kwerk
March 17th, 2012, 04:47 PM
I bet he's going to try a swirl?

I hope you have better luck at the TAB, Dave. :wink:

RogerC
March 17th, 2012, 05:48 PM
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7863copy.jpg


:lol: Best materials shot EVER! :lol:

kwerk
March 18th, 2012, 03:25 AM
Arrghh!! Frustrating lack of progress today. :mad:

Had a lot of stuff on my plate today, so I only had limited build time. Unfortunately, router planing 30mm (1.25") off a guitar blank took way longer than I'd hoped. :roll:


Started by chiselling off the highest bits

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7878copy.jpg

Put in a cheap router bit in case there were going to be any undetected nails. Fortunately there weren't.


Into the router sled, and planed, and planed and planed for 2 hours. :shock:

Naturally, on the last finishing pass, I gouged the obligatory makers mark nice and prominently near the middle of the blank. Ahhh. Kwerk was here (and bondo soon will be). :wink::mrgreen:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7879copy.jpg


Man, this is definitely pallet grade timber. This pic makes it appear a lot smoother than it is. There's some nasty rubbishy stuff in this blank. Still, it's not called a Challenge for nothing.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7879-2copy.jpg


Very roughly cut on the jigsaw.. have I ever mentioned I have a deep distrust for jigsaws? :roll:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7880copy.jpg


And another workout for the wee router eventually got me a body.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7881copy.jpg



And, sadly that was it. I knew I wouldn't have as much time as I would have liked on the guitar this weekend. I would have made more progress on the neck but my trussrod hadn't arrived by Friday. Nevermind, I can spend a little time on non-noisy stuff like grainfilling and so on in the evenings after work this week. I hope to have a much better run at things next weekend.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7882copy.jpg



In the meantime:

Bondopalooza!!

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7883copy.jpg

Will be out with the epoxy tonight.

:smile:

w3stie
March 18th, 2012, 03:51 AM
Looking good http://annzoid.com/images/smileys/thumbsup.gif

Guitarnut
March 18th, 2012, 08:59 AM
I'm loving the contrast between this build and last year's. From finely detailed and intricate to almost a put it together and see where it goes attitude.

Something earthy and raw about this one. Fantastic work so far...

Mark

Mojotron
March 18th, 2012, 01:53 PM
... Fantastic work so far...

Yes - fantastic work - love to see an awesome looking body come out of that pile- awesome!

kwerk
March 18th, 2012, 05:28 PM
I'm loving the contrast between this build and last year's. From finely detailed and intricate to almost a put it together and see where it goes attitude.

Something earthy and raw about this one. Fantastic work so far...

Mark

Yup, it took me 2 weeks to make templates last time!

Hopefully I know where it goes, this time the twist is in the finish, not the construction. :wink:

kwerk
March 19th, 2012, 10:10 AM
Well, this update is literally as much fun as watching paint dry, but it is an update and basically what I've got ahead of me after work this week.


Sanded the bondo back

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7886-2copy.jpg


Getting set to epoxy the body. Grainfill and sealer in one.

I'm keen while I have the epoxy out to experiment for something I'll be doing further on in the build. I need to see if I can make a black epoxy with stuff I have to hand.

Got these two. Rotring ink at the left, Good old Humbrol 33 on the right (familiar to kitset model making kids everywhere :grin:). Both of these have been kicking around in the bottom of my tool drawer for years.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7889copy.jpg


Start with the epoxy on the body. Cross grain mostly on the first coat.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7891copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7893copy.jpg


Then I start with the ink.

Eurgh. After mixing with the epoxy, it looks like something out of Night of the Living Dead.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7894copy.jpg

Turns out the ink may have separated over the years. The wet patch to the right of the spoon is straight ink from the bottle. Not particularly inky, to be fair. A whole lotta shaking later I get a denser black from it, but I think the densest may still be on the walls of the ink bottle. Eventually I get a good enough mix. I tried the paint too, so will see which one looks best after (or if) they dry.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7898copy.jpg

You try writing in epoxy with a plastic spoon! :shock: :wink:

waster
March 19th, 2012, 07:39 PM
You weren't tempted to use a matai floor board for your neck?

ChaosRocker
March 19th, 2012, 07:53 PM
you looking to get a contrasting black grain to the rest of the finish? I bought a guitar like that and would love to replicate the finish in a future build...I hope this is what you are after and you succeed in doing so!

I really love the finish on this, it's the main reason I bought the guitar!

kwerk
March 19th, 2012, 08:28 PM
You weren't tempted to use a matai floor board for your neck?

I would have if I'd found any. The piece I got is roughsawn, but it's cleaned up pretty nicely.

kwerk
March 19th, 2012, 08:29 PM
you looking to get a contrasting black grain to the rest of the finish? I bought a guitar like that and would love to replicate the finish in a future build...I hope this is what you are after and you succeed in doing so!

I really love the finish on this, it's the main reason I bought the guitar!

No, I'm planning on something else, but you're right, that's a cool effect.

kwerk
March 24th, 2012, 07:55 PM
Reporting in.

Everything is one step forward and five backwards, and Murphy is playing way too large a part for my liking.

I'm thinking about chucking it in for this year, I'm not sure my head's in the right place at the moment.

:sad:

emoney
March 24th, 2012, 07:59 PM
No sense getting all "rash judgement" . I know how "things" get it in the way, as
I'm Mr. 'Take on way too much at once'. However, you're already feet first in it, so
let it rest a bit but then come back.

And don't worry, I'm pretty comfortable in saying that I've got "last place/last finished"
wrapped up.

Muzikp
March 24th, 2012, 08:20 PM
Reporting in.

Everything is one step forward and five backwards, and Murphy is playing way too large a part for my liking.

I'm thinking about chucking it in for this year, I'm not sure my head's in the right place at the moment.

:sad:

What the what? :shock::shock::shock: No way, wrong head placement syndrome is temporary. Besides you sorta have to have your head wrong to even do something like this right?

Right...good talk, good talk. Lets reconvene on Monday and see where the head placement index is at :wink:.

nosmo
March 24th, 2012, 08:32 PM
Dude - you're one of the reasons I'm doing this. Have a beer, chill, think about it. I don't even know what I'm doing, but I'm having fun.

adirondak5
March 24th, 2012, 09:44 PM
Hey kwerk , don't chuck it , as was already said you are one of the reasons some of us are here doing this , myself included .

R. Stratenstein
March 24th, 2012, 10:11 PM
Hey kwerk , don't chuck it , as was already said you are one of the reasons some of us are here doing this , myself included .

Ditto, man.

You were an underdog favorite last year with all that happened to you, we were pulling hard for ya, and wanted to see you have an easier go of it this year.

With your check-in today, you reset the clock for yourself and now have a full week to step back a bit, clear your head, get some new inspiration going, and get back in the fray. May I suggest a few hopped, malted beverages to lubricate the process ?:smile:

jpbturbo
March 24th, 2012, 10:25 PM
Please don't go!
I'd really hate to see you leave.

flatfive
March 24th, 2012, 10:35 PM
Hang in there, Phil. Take a couple of days off and see how
you're feeling.

BR06623
March 24th, 2012, 11:39 PM
Reporting in.

Everything is one step forward and five backwards, and Murphy is playing way too large a part for my liking.

I'm thinking about chucking it in for this year, I'm not sure my head's in the right place at the moment.

:sad:

HANG IN THERE! You were part of my inspiration for getting into the build thing! :grin:

RogerC
March 25th, 2012, 12:20 AM
I'm just going to echo what everyone else has already said. However, if you've got other things higher on your priority list that need to be taken care of, then you know what you need to do.

I'd like to see you stick it out, though. You do some inspiring work.

kwerk
March 25th, 2012, 02:47 AM
Thanks everyone.

I made only slight progress this weekend. I need to rethink this a little. I definitely need to take a couple of days off thinking about it, I've been thinking about it all week at work, so to have two days off and not make any significant headway has been pretty disheartening.

I've made so little progress this weekend I won't bother putting up the pics at this stage.

Jupiter
March 25th, 2012, 02:55 AM
If you feel stuck, my advice is to plunge ahead until you're sure you've screwed something up; after that, you'll know what you should have done. It's like magic.

anyone
March 25th, 2012, 02:58 AM
I know the feeling.
It's good to breathe.
I hope you stick it out and inspire us all again.
Cheers!

Mojotron
March 25th, 2012, 01:53 PM
Thanks everyone.

I made only slight progress this weekend. I need to rethink this a little. I definitely need to take a couple of days off thinking about it, I've been thinking about it all week at work, so to have two days off and not make any significant headway has been pretty disheartening...

((I'll warn ya - here' some under-caffeinated opinion...))

I'm kind of in the same place as far as not being that satisfied with progress. Last year I was disappointed by not finishing on time, but I was really happy with the outcome: I think mostly because I spent time on the build mostly when I felt inspired so I got a lot of fulfillment out of taking the ideas I had and implementing them. The problem is that inspiration is really something that kind of comes and goes. Sometimes I can just get started working and then the inspiration hits me, sometimes not. We have plenty of time to work with on this challenge, if progress is not happening I would not sweat it. In fact - if you have ideas you really want to do in a way that is going to require more time/inspiration than what you can find in the next 6/7 weeks - I would suggest to just keep going with whatever progress you can make and don't worry about the time limit. In the end, what's going to matter is whether you implemented your ideas in a way where you got out of it what you wanted... We'll love to follow this thread with great interest no matter what you choose my friend. It's about making a great instrument with cool ideas, finishing on time and making demonstrable progress is a bit of a convenience as it's not going to happen (nor should it) every time.

junk mutt
March 25th, 2012, 02:00 PM
Take a little time off Kwerk, see how you feel in a week or so. Only you'll know whether to carry on or not. I'm sure you'll make the right choice. Good luck man.

nosmo
March 25th, 2012, 03:19 PM
What he (mojo) said!

PapaLion
March 25th, 2012, 04:22 PM
Hmmm, might take something like an earthquake to get you hopping? Well of course I'd like to see it come along... color might be a thought, choose a color, any color and vision it on the piece?

enjoy,

kwerk
March 31st, 2012, 02:20 AM
Well, I guess last weekend was a writeoff - or so I thought, but today has been salvage day. By tomorrow, I should be where I hoped to be by the end of the weekend last week. So be it. At least next weekend is a long one, plus I've taken the Tuesday and Wednesday off, so I'll have six days to really make some proper progress.

So I guess I'm still in. :wink:

So, in that today was salvage day, I really need to report on last weekend's fiasco.

This was what I did.


After sealing the body and filling the worst of the pits in my pallet body with epoxy, I proceeded to the binding rout. I just want a hairline bind, so this is the approach I took.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7902copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7903copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7907copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7912copy.jpg

It's a good thing both the body and neck will be painted. Especially so for the neck, considering the absolute botched up mess you're about to see coming up. :shock:


I'd bought a dovetail saw for fretting. I haven't had very good luck finding an affordable saw, but this one was the right price, and just needed a little modification.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7914copy.jpg

After hammering the kerf flat I got this result. Pre hammering on the right, which gave me an easy press fit by hand, with the flattened result on the left. This will be an ideal width for hammering the frets in. The only downside to the saw is that its a push rather than pull cut, but I'll be OK if I'm careful with it.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7916copy.jpg


So, onto the neck, I thicknessed the headstock by running it over the bit in the table. But it didn't come out perfectly flat, as you can see by the score line. This really marked the start of the neck issues. Just as an idea of how poorly last week's neckmaking went, I have christened this neck "Frankenstein". I'm doing this so you can see how not to do a neck!

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7921copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7922copy.jpg

Eventually, I reverted to my preferred method of using the router plane jig to finish the thickness "correctly".

So I moved on to the truss rout. I had this idea to try and get two necks from the piece of matai that I bought, as it was far pricier than matai I've bought in the past. The idea was going to be to make it a one-piece but using a double action rod. Because the neck is going to be painted, I had the idea of "skunk-striping" thru the fretboard. I was going to try and achieve this by dovetailing an offset piece. It was an utter failure, because I wasn't thinking about what I was doing.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7925copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7926copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7927copy.jpg

As you can see above, one of the rails moved on me, giving me a lovely little curve in the truss rout. Fortunately it was early in the rout, so there would be enough depth to seat the rod correctly.

I got out my new dovetail bit.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7928copy.jpg

I realised once I started routing that I didn't have enough width of wood to make the insert, so I stopped just left of the truss rout, routing straight and parallel to the truss rout.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7932copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7933copy.jpg

Although I don't have a pic here, the inlay I'd cut had been angled both sides as I'd originally intended. Of course that meant the wrong angle for the inlay to work correctly. I'd actually done the whole thing in such a way that if it all turned to custard I'd be able to rout it clean and install a fretboard insted. At this point I decided that would be the best solution, so that's what I did:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7934copy.jpg

I had one last piece of black maire left that I'd been saving for a future build. It's not particularly pretty, so seeing as this neck is to be painted, I decided to go ahead and use it.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7950copy.jpg

I don't have pics of the hole drilling for the truss access, but it went together OK. Or so I thought. :shock:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7948copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7951copy.jpg

Now I guess I was mindful of the fact the neck will be painted, because I'd thrown caution and craftsmanship to the wind. A good example was that I'd been in too much of a hurry with the router planing after the dovetail fiasco and had torn out the top edge of one side of the neck:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7952copy.jpg

And I hadn't got a very good join on the other side:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7953copy.jpg

(if you need to go and throw up at this point, wait, there's more :wink:)

So, knowing paint was in this neck's future, I filled both misdemeanours and carried on.

But what's this?

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7955copy.jpg

Urgh. Despite the laissez faire approach, This build needs to be accurate, for reasons that I promise will become clear in the next week or so.

So, time to grab one of the last offcuts of the matai and get to planing.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7957copy.jpg

I then glued the resulting veneers to the underside of the heel and the headstock.

That night, i got onto the binding.

I'd previously done some testing with epoxy putty, as I'd seen motor_city_tele use on his beautiful build last year. One thing I realised quickly is not to make up too much of it, as it goes off incredibly quickly. I used the black humbrol paint, but the consistency of the resulting putty had made it very hard work to make it round the body. I did get there in the end, but the results weren't great.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7937copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7942copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7944copy.jpg

As you can see above, I went to much smaller quantities at a time to save wasting it. It's not cheap here. The large worm on the left dried as I was mixing it!

I did one side of the body at this stage.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7958copy.jpg

The next day dawned, and I decided to see if I could find a better pigment. Unbelievably, my small local hardware store actually had specific epoxy pigments, which was remarkable for nothing other than that they never have anything I'm looking for!

So I had much better success with the correct stuff, as you'd imagine.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7959copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7961copy.jpg

So here was the neck after it's veneered heel and headstock.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7962copy.jpg

I then routed it for further "binding"

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7964copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7965copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7968copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7970copy.jpg

I was feeling pretty discouraged at that stage, because I'd wanted to be much further into the build than I had got to by Sunday night. But the worst came Sunday night itself when I realised the whole neck was too narrow by about 3mm (about 1/16"). Normally I wouldn't worry too much, but this needs to be as accurate as it can possibly be, and I realised that I'd need to either do major surgery or a complete rebuild. I was in something of a state of despair at this stage, which explains my last few posts.

I contacted Paul midweek to get a ruling on whether I could proceed to start again on the neck. Personally I wasn't comfortable with the idea, as it had been specifically mentioned in the pre challenge rule discussions - no restarts. He was kind enough to allow me to restart the neck on the basis that I hadn't documented the neck build at that stage - to be honest it was too embarrassing at the time, after a frustrated weekend.

But I got to thinking in the last few days that I could do something about this and still have enough wood left for another neck in the future. So that brought me to today. I gotta go out for an hour or so at this stage, but I'll be back to report today's actual progress. Today was definitely a better day! :smile:

kwerk
March 31st, 2012, 04:03 AM
So I'd gone ahead and done the "binding" on the remainder of the body and neck.

Looks ok:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7972copy.jpg

Here was the discrepancy with the neck width:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7973copy.jpg

I really need this to be right. I found an offcut from the neck. This was actually the original dovetail insert piece. Decided to handsaw it as it was narrow enough not to be an all day affair. True to form, I got near the end and had a catastrophic collapse (I still can't quite work out how). :rolleyes:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7974copy.jpg

So, plan B involved taking a sliver off the precious last piece of matai. I used the jigsaw this time and had better results. I router planed both down to slim fillets, and glued them either side of the neck.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7975copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7976copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7977copy.jpg

I should point out that in allowing me to restart the neck, Paul did stipulate that should I restart it, it had to be from the same plank as displayed in the initial photo. Though I elected to push on with a repair to the existing neck, I have used pieces from the same plank as originally displayed. It's just getting ever closer to the limit of what's going to be available for a future neck. :rolleyes:

After a while in the Workmate I transferred it to a clamp sandwich, so I could carry on work on the body.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7978copy.jpg

I laid up the TDowns template. My old router template is based on the RevD, which had the incorrect angle on the bridge p/u, so I decided it would be best if I used the RevE paper template on the body itself as a guide to positioning my existing router template. I also decided to include the drill rout this time, despite having the appropriate aircraft bit to enable the drillthru from the neck pocket to the control cavity, my preferred option.

It went well, but either this wood is really poor quality (which it pretty much is) or my router bits are coming to the end of their useful sharpness (which they pretty much are).

Either way, I'm not too bothered at this stage.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7979copy.jpg

ATOTTC. :wink:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7980copy.jpg


I then routed for additional binding. :wink:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7981copy.jpg


So, back to Frankenstein, the glue had been able to dry nicely in the heat of the shop.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7982copy.jpg

I worked out how much I'd need to take of the sides. What turned out to be quite intriguing to me at least, was that halving the desired neck width and measuring half that distance from the centreline actually showed that the neck was narrow on only one side. I wish I'd had a look at that before the glue up.

At least I'm on form, I guess. :rolleyes:

So, I ironed off one of the fillets.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7983copy.jpg

That leaves me with one side needing attention.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7984copy.jpg

On to the table:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7985copy.jpg

And routed to shape. The gap you see here is the binding rout with the fillet glued to the outside.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7986copy.jpg

After trimming down to the binding rout height, all is good. The epoxy binding will be substantially thicker on the left side, but the neck will be painted, so I only need to expose as much of the binding as I want to.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7988copy.jpg

So at the end of the workshop day, I have something far more resembling a guitar than I did at the start. It probably qualifies as ugliest build at this stage, but I hope to remedy that somewhat in the next few days. Tonight I'll be back at it with the epoxy, and finish the binding off.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7989copy.jpg

A face only a mother could love. :wink:

Davecam48
March 31st, 2012, 06:06 AM
:lol:Don'tcha just love it when you save a stuff up?

adirondak5
March 31st, 2012, 06:17 AM
Hey kwerk , glad to see you are back at it :) ! Good fix on the neck .

Jupiter
March 31st, 2012, 07:01 AM
bDKxUt9UkmU

nosmo
March 31st, 2012, 08:37 AM
Glad to see you back at it.

emoney
March 31st, 2012, 08:38 AM
This update makes me "happy". Glad to see you trudged through and are back to where
you should be. Great save on the neck, and I must say, you're a stronger man than I
because I probably would've waved the "White Flag", whereas you soldiered on and got
through it. Very nice.

kwerk
March 31st, 2012, 09:58 AM
Thanks guys. Good to be back at it, however ugly it looks for the moment. :wink:

This update makes me "happy". Glad to see you trudged through and are back to where
you should be. Great save on the neck, and I must say, you're a stronger man than I
because I probably would've waved the "White Flag", whereas you soldiered on and got
through it. Very nice.

If it wasn't for the blessing of paint, I'd have given up long ago!

nosmo
March 31st, 2012, 10:44 AM
I think I might have an advantage over some of you guys. I don't know how thick some parts should be, so I just make them however they turn out. If some of my dimensions are off of spec, I don't even know so I just keep going. I mean, I want it to look good, and I want it to work well, but if it's wider, or longer, or thicker, or thinner......

I imagine this will bite me one day, but so far I'm just having fun plodding along happily ignorant.

Picton
March 31st, 2012, 11:02 AM
I think I might have an advantage over some of you guys. I don't know how thick some parts should be, so I just make them however they turn out. If some of my dimensions are off of spec, I don't even know so I just keep going. I mean, I want it to look good, and I want it to work well, but if it's wider, or longer, or thicker, or thinner......

I imagine this will bite me one day, but so far I'm just having fun plodding along happily ignorant.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Good save on the neck, kwerk.

Mojotron
March 31st, 2012, 01:52 PM
How you fixed that was one of the more interesting things I've seen in a while - great job!

RogerC
April 5th, 2012, 05:27 PM
Hey kwerk, I somehow missed this-- really glad you're still in this thing!

ugly_guitar_guy
April 5th, 2012, 06:11 PM
Hey kwerk, I somehow missed this-- really glad you're still in this thing!

+1

Can you add a sliver to the fretboard edge that's short?

kwerk
April 7th, 2012, 07:28 AM
I think I might have an advantage over some of you guys. I don't know how thick some parts should be, so I just make them however they turn out. If some of my dimensions are off of spec, I don't even know so I just keep going. I mean, I want it to look good, and I want it to work well, but if it's wider, or longer, or thicker, or thinner......



You'll soon see why this is reasonably important :wink:

So, first up, I gotta apologise for not being more active this time round, both in the building and in the keeping up with other threads. I've got a lot going on in my head at the moment, and, in a similar vein to Jack Wells, I'm struggling to find the enthusiasm this year.

But for the time being, I'm still here.

In my inimitable slow way, I've made a little progress.


Finished puttying up the neck.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7990copy.jpg


Cut myself a neckhole

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7991copy.jpg

and routed for binding

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7993copy.jpg


Cut some fretslots

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_7994copy.jpg


Set up the Scatter jig

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8001copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8003copy.jpg


Got set up to carve

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8005copy.jpg

(btw, I win messiest shop. At the end of the build, I'll take a pano. I promise you'll be appropriately disgusted. :mrgreen:)

Rasp my starting points

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8008copy.jpg

Knock the edges off with the drawknife. I'm comfortable using it right until sanding stage, but in this case I used a rasp. Still, before that, I used the opportunity to practice my skills. If you look closely, you can do a pretty precise job with it.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8009copy.jpg


Rasping to finish the general shaping

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8010copy.jpg

First sanding

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8011copy.jpg

And, ready for final sanding

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8012copy.jpg

Looking a little less like some kind of Mary Shelley creation, thank goodness. :roll:


Body has had final sand, and stringthru holes drilled.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8016copy.jpg

Even attempt no.2 came out poorly for the ferrule holes:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8014copy.jpg

But I filled the offender and had another go:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8019copy-1.jpg

... I'll take it.


Neck almost looks useable as it is

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8020copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8023copy.jpg

You'd never know how much of a @#$%^ that was to look at it now. :mad:


But still, that's all academic:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8027copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8032copy.jpg


:shock:

jpbturbo
April 7th, 2012, 07:43 AM
You've got me on pins and needles over here.
I can barely wait to see what it is you are doing.
I'm so glad you are still in it.

adirondak5
April 7th, 2012, 07:43 AM
Kwerk , the neck looks great , gotta say I am very curious as to where you are going with this , specially after seeing the neck in primer .

Davecam48
April 7th, 2012, 08:31 AM
camouflage ?

kwerk
April 7th, 2012, 08:54 AM
camouflage ?

Yup, I'm having it airdropped over Antarctica tomorrow.

RogerC
April 7th, 2012, 05:43 PM
As always, I'm excited to see what you've got up your sleeve.

kwerk
April 7th, 2012, 08:08 PM
Huge thanks to the very talented JBennett:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8034copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8034copy-1.jpg

:wink:

Colt W. Knight
April 7th, 2012, 08:15 PM
JBennett is the man.

RogerC
April 7th, 2012, 08:21 PM
:lol:Love it! So I guess it's a genericaster, eh? :lol:

kwerk
April 7th, 2012, 08:31 PM
Hopefully I'll find some use for this stuff soon.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8035copy.jpg

:shock:

kwerk
April 7th, 2012, 08:33 PM
JBennett is the man.

Indeed, and as you know, Colt, he can supply either a finished decal or as in this and in your case, artwork that you can use yourself.

Great service, and I can't recommend him highly enough. :grin:

Colt W. Knight
April 7th, 2012, 08:41 PM
Hopefully I'll find some use for this stuff soon.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8035copy.jpg

:shock:

Please tell me more about this product.

emoney
April 7th, 2012, 08:42 PM
I dunno what's going on, but it's fun to watch!

kwerk
April 7th, 2012, 08:45 PM
Please tell me more about this product.

If I did, that would completely give the game away. You'll hopefully see it put to use soon, though :wink:

kwerk
April 7th, 2012, 08:46 PM
I dunno what's going on, but it's fun to watch!

You stole my motto!

:lol:

Colt W. Knight
April 7th, 2012, 08:48 PM
If I did, that would completely give the game away. You'll hopefully see it put to use soon, though :wink:

I think I know what it does, and I am awaiting your use of the product.

Greg M
April 7th, 2012, 08:56 PM
The next day dawned, and I decided to see if I could find a better pigment. Unbelievably, my small local hardware store actually had specific epoxy pigments, which was remarkable for nothing other than that they never have anything I'm looking for!


I can definitely relate to this. My local store never has anything I need either. If I want it, I mail order it. No other choice. :roll:

Loving the build btw.

kwerk
April 7th, 2012, 10:02 PM
So, time to put some theory to testing.

Every time I look at this:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8036copy.jpg

It reminds me of this:

dIYvD9DI1ZA


But I digress. :rolleyes:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8037copy.jpg


Decoupage time! (I gotta admit, not a sentence I thought I'd ever find myself saying)

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8038copy.jpg

And, just like the sign says:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8039copy.jpg

So far, so good.


So, early in this thread, I mentioned this is a tribute to a couple of outstanding forum members. Anyone like to guess who, at this stage? :rolleyes:

:razz:

jpbturbo
April 7th, 2012, 10:20 PM
So, early in this thread, I mentioned this is a tribute to a couple of outstanding forum members. Anyone like to guess who, at this stage? :rolleyes:

:razz:
Ehawley and Tdowns?

You're insane :lol:

kwerk
April 7th, 2012, 10:27 PM
Ehawley and Tdowns?

You're insane :lol:

Congratulations, you win an Ewok village retreat for two.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8042copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8041copy.jpg

Oh, and thanks. You're pretty nutty yourself.

:lol:

TheZ
April 7th, 2012, 10:45 PM
Genius! Can't wait to see more.

adirondak5
April 7th, 2012, 11:48 PM
Excellent !

kwerk
April 8th, 2012, 01:05 AM
Testing achieved, on to the more serious stuff. On this occasion I'm breaking it up into manageable chunks:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8044copy.jpg

And after a while

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8046copy.jpg

I'll trim it back and fret it later this evening.

Davecam48
April 8th, 2012, 01:48 AM
I know what etch primer does!

Jupiter
April 8th, 2012, 06:39 AM
Awesome!

kwerk
April 8th, 2012, 09:19 AM
Fretted

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8048copy.jpg

Which means I can put these bits on

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8051copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8050copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8049copy.jpg

And that's me for today. A far better day than I've had up til now. :smile:

kwerk
April 8th, 2012, 10:21 AM
I'm probably not getting this Star Wars narration thing right, but to be fair, I don't give a Sith.


http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/Untitled-2copy.jpg


:wink:

RogerC
April 8th, 2012, 10:45 AM
Absolutely brilliant, kwerk!

nosmo
April 8th, 2012, 10:50 AM
And that's me for today. A far better day than I've had up til now. :smile:

Your bad days make my good days look kind of weak :wink:

crazydave911
April 8th, 2012, 10:58 AM
I'm probably not getting this Star Wars narration thing right, but to be fair, I don't give a Sith.


http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/Untitled-2copy.jpg


:wink:

:lol::lol::lol:

Mojotron
April 8th, 2012, 01:55 PM
I'm probably not getting this Star Wars narration thing right, but to be fair, I don't give a Sith.
...
:wink:

ROTFL!! Darth Vader never had such a weapon... Awesome...

On the build... I think most of us have studied that drawing to the point where we could redraw it in our sleep. Those guys facilitated a lot of what we do here in the most understated, yet most critical, way. What a brilliant concept!! The 12th fret markers are perfect! I'm loving this!!

Are you are spritzing the early coats? I'm not sure how I would cover that except to go water based and/or a bizillian single pass coats with nitro/shellac.

RogerC
April 8th, 2012, 04:38 PM
Outstanding idea! What a great tribute.

kwerk
April 8th, 2012, 07:16 PM
Your bad days make my good days look kind of weak :wink:

Wow, dude, never an un-truer word spoken. Your build is magnificent, I'm not sure you know what a bad day is!!

:wink:

sketchanderase
April 8th, 2012, 07:28 PM
I'm probably not getting this Star Wars narration thing right, but to be fair, I don't give a Sith.


http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/Untitled-2copy.jpg


:wink:

We chalenge you to a rock-off! Give us one chance to rock your socks off!
No? Wrong movie? :twisted::wink::smile:

kwerk
April 8th, 2012, 07:45 PM
ROTFL!! Darth Vader never had such a weapon... Awesome...

On the build... I think most of us have studied that drawing to the point where we could redraw it in our sleep. Those guys facilitated a lot of what we do here in the most understated, yet most critical, way. What a brilliant concept!! The 12th fret markers are perfect! I'm loving this!!

Are you are spritzing the early coats? I'm not sure how I would cover that except to go water based and/or a bizillian single pass coats with nitro/shellac.

The paper has had several saturation coats of clear acrylic matt ahead of gluing (mercifully, as I can wipe any marks off it with a damp cloth). Once I've done some additional linework and a little more sanding the whole thing will get several coats of the same clear acrylic. I want it to have the effect of being a 3D version of the paper plans.

The only thing I'm slightly bummed by is that the primer is quite a bit warmer than the paper. The paper was a reasonably good match, but after the saturation it has changed tone a little. It's not a big problem for me though, I can live with 2-tone white :wink:

emoney
April 8th, 2012, 08:14 PM
Awesomer and awesomer every time I log in. And yes, that's a word...to some of us at least.

kwerk
April 8th, 2012, 11:51 PM
Well, the moment of truth has arrived.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8053copy.jpg


I would have done the back first, but I wasn't comfortable with the design I'd come up with for the back, so I had to wait until today (no trading in NZ on Easter Sunday) to get a fresh print made. It's currently drying from it's second coat of clear, so I expect to do it later today. That means I had to start with the scary bit first. :shock:

Before I show this, I gotta pause for a little endorsement.

Mod Podge.

Mod Podge, Mod Podge, Mod Podge.

Ok, back to the build.


Mod Podge.


Ok, no more commercials, here it is.


Got the plan out.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8054copy.jpg

Note the colour difference between the paper that's had the clear coat and the area that's been masked. The original colour was a slightly closer match to the paint. After the clear coats, the paper has become quite translucent.


Eagle eyed spotters will see there are a few subtle changes to the original plan so certain measurements displayed outside the body have been moved to within the body outline.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8055copy.jpg

So, time to do it.

I use MOD PODGE (TM)(R)(C) for best results.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8057copy.jpg


Yeehah. Not anywhere near as much drama as I thought it would be. Spent a little time touching up edges and smoothing out bubbles, but it's a great result at this stage.

Did I mention this stuff?

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/podge.png


But seriously, I'm impressed. I won't use 3M spray for templates again after this stuff.

:wink:

Davecam48
April 9th, 2012, 12:29 AM
Hell! I'm going to buy shares in the company now. With a ringing endorsment like that the prices will only go ^

Actually I tried to buy some locally here about 2 weeks ago, no one had it, most had never heard of it! Very strange.

kwerk
April 9th, 2012, 03:43 AM
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/hikids.jpg

Davecam48
April 9th, 2012, 04:09 AM
Nicely "out of the box" Phil.

DC

crazydave911
April 9th, 2012, 06:40 AM
This is just awesomely cool! :cool:

bcarter_1
April 9th, 2012, 07:14 AM
This is just awesomely cool! :cool:

+1

adirondak5
April 9th, 2012, 07:29 AM
What a great theme for a challenge build , my hat is off to you Phil .

JBennett
April 9th, 2012, 08:40 AM
Wow. I wasn't sure what you had planned. Love the plan-ocaster.

fretman_2
April 9th, 2012, 08:50 AM
Very cool!

kwerk
April 9th, 2012, 10:33 AM
Nicely "out of the box" Phil.

DC

This is just awesomely cool! :cool:

+1

What a great theme for a challenge build , my hat is off to you Phil .

Very cool!

Thanks everyone - nice to be out the other side of a rut! :wink:



Wow. I wasn't sure what you had planned. Love the plan-ocaster.

Thanks my friend. I know it was a bit of a weird brief, but it all makes sense now, eh?!

I'm looking forward to more of your fantastic work in the future.

:grin:

PapaLion
April 9th, 2012, 10:46 AM
Ok then, back on a nice track. Very glad to see that, and the progress looks good. It is wood... so can you have mind over wood... yup surely.

kwerk
April 9th, 2012, 10:51 AM
Thanks, Bret. I found the pallet wood much more frustrating than plexi!!

kwerk
April 9th, 2012, 10:51 AM
Baby got back:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8064copy.jpg

:cool:

junk mutt
April 9th, 2012, 11:00 AM
This is fantastic !!!:lol: No, I mean it!! :lol: Superb work kwerk.
Hey that rhymes:cool:

kwerk
April 9th, 2012, 11:06 AM
Darn it, I've just realised I could have changed the ferrule measurements. Mine are quite a bit smaller than the ones the plan calls for.

Oh well. :rolleyes:

Muzikp
April 9th, 2012, 12:22 PM
What can I say, this is a brilliantly creative way to pay some respect to those that helped us figure all this out. I would gig this guitar forever, everyone who sees this will be compelled to ask "What's with the plan guitar"? followed by a cool conversation. The only thing that could improve this is if there was no typo on the back of the headstock, but it's subtle so people likely won't notice it.
















kidding...got your heart rate up though :mrgreen:

Warnz
April 9th, 2012, 12:34 PM
Great theme, looks fantastic, and dedicated to two worthy guys.

(thumbs up) :)

only making the templates for my first build atm and you guys are the inspiration (bows humbly)

flatfive
April 9th, 2012, 01:11 PM
kwerk, you're the man!

(edit: I just saw above that JBennett is the man. So, let's say
"you rule".)

And I thought those t-shirts that show a technical plan of a
guitar were cool...

Want to also mention that the tenacity you displayed with the
neck was impressive.

And not only are you to be congratulated, so are the fine people
who encouraged you (way back when) to continue on this build. :lol:

nosmo
April 9th, 2012, 01:40 PM
Darn it, I've just realised I could have changed the ferrule measurements. Mine are quite a bit smaller than the ones the plan calls for.

Oh well. :rolleyes:

Once again, I am blissfully ignorant. If your ferrules are smaller, then wont that leave a cool outline from the plan around each one? I'd go with it :grin:

oigun
April 9th, 2012, 01:46 PM
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/hikids.jpg

You made my day!!!!!:mrgreen::mrgreen:

Muzikp
April 9th, 2012, 02:16 PM
Just a thought - can you add the centerlines on the neck? You could maybe tape it off and paint them on. Might take a while tapng all the little dashes etc but it would look cool and a little more plan like. Being an engineer and having to stare at plans all day my brain is overloading with ideas now. It would also be cool to use hidden lines to indicate the route for the truss rod slot.

ItZaLLGooD
April 9th, 2012, 03:05 PM
I like the painted fb/neck. Down the road sometime I think I will try it out.

collectiveoasis
April 9th, 2012, 03:14 PM
What a great idea, the guitar looks fantastic! Can't wait to see the completed design!

kwerk
April 9th, 2012, 08:49 PM
Just a thought - can you add the centerlines on the neck? You could maybe tape it off and paint them on. Might take a while tapng all the little dashes etc but it would look cool and a little more plan like. Being an engineer and having to stare at plans all day my brain is overloading with ideas now. It would also be cool to use hidden lines to indicate the route for the truss rod slot.

That's my plan, for the back at least. Centreline and skunk stripe outline, joining the heel piece and the headstock piece. I won't put a centreline on the top as the Ed Hawley plan doesn't have one.

kwerk
April 9th, 2012, 08:53 PM
This is fantastic !!!:lol: No, I mean it!! :lol: Superb work kwerk.
Hey that rhymes:cool:

Thanks!

You reminded me of this scene from my favourite movie:

BjlAmCk7TP8

whodatpat
April 9th, 2012, 09:14 PM
This is a great sentiment and an even better execution. I can't wait for the finale.

ModerneGuy
April 9th, 2012, 09:17 PM
Still one of my favourite movies too - will have to find my DVD copy and give it another spin.

Inspirational build idea too (like last year's) and one that anyone who's spent any time on this site can relate to. A shame that some of the hardware will be covering some of the most interesting bits of the blueprint - or do you have some spare plexi from last year's challenge you're planning on fashioning into bridges etc? I suspect that you aren't done with surprises quite yet. Great stuff!

kwerk
April 9th, 2012, 09:27 PM
Still one of my favourite movies too - will have to find my DVD copy and give it another spin.

Inspirational build idea too (like last year's) and one that anyone who's spent any time on this site can relate to. A shame that some of the hardware will be covering some of the most interesting bits of the blueprint - or do you have some spare plexi from last year's challenge you're planning on fashioning into bridges etc? I suspect that you aren't done with surprises quite yet. Great stuff!

Plexi will feature, but not on the bridge.

Still not sure how I'm going to approach the bridge. I have a couple of ideas, I'll just have to try them out.

The world's full of surprises. :wink:


On the Princess Bride: If I'm ever asked, and I state that my favourite is the Princess Bride, people who haven't heard of it look at me like I'm defective (why does a 42 year old man enjoy a fairytale movie?). But those that have know what I'm talking about. If I can convince someone to watch it, despite the title, invariably it becomes one of their favourites too!

NB for those who haven't seen it or are sceptical, among other highlights it has the greatest sword fight ever filmed!

RogerC
April 9th, 2012, 09:45 PM
Yes, I'm am not left-handed :twisted:

kwerk
April 9th, 2012, 09:47 PM
Well, you see, I too am right-handed!

Davecam48
April 9th, 2012, 09:59 PM
Does " The Princess Bride" have midgets in it?

kwerk
April 9th, 2012, 10:23 PM
Nope. It has unusually sized rodents, though.

Muzikp
April 9th, 2012, 11:27 PM
Westley: A few more steps and we'll be safe in the fire swamp.
Buttercup: We'll never survive!
Westley: Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has.

Inconcievable!!!

"Please consider me a suitable alternate to suicide"

"Let me 'splain...no there is too much, let me sum up"

kwerk
April 9th, 2012, 11:57 PM
This pains me to say it, but:

Relic time. :sad:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8069copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8070copy.jpg

Don't get me wrong, each to their own, YMMV, my 0.02, with all due respect etc, but, damn, that was torture for me. :wink:

Jupiter
April 10th, 2012, 12:44 AM
I thought you might just paint everything white.... Knocking the gloss off is not the same as relicing, so don't feel too bad.:lol:

This pains me to say it, but:

Relic time. :sad:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8069copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8070copy.jpg

Don't get me wrong, each to their own, YMMV, my 0.02, with all due respect etc, but, damn, that was torture for me. :wink:

PHawley
April 10th, 2012, 01:02 AM
"You see, your friend here is just mostly dead"

kwerk
April 10th, 2012, 01:50 AM
I know people have bleached wood, sheets etc for various things.

But did you know you could also bleach metal?

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8076copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8078copy.jpg

(Disclaimer: Some of the above maybe shameless fabrication. Do not bleach metal parts under any circumstances, unless they are someone else's parts.)

ModerneGuy
April 10th, 2012, 01:54 AM
:shock: A surprise and yet not a surprise ...arctic cool

Mojotron
April 10th, 2012, 02:26 AM
The all-important question - is that Rev-D or Rev-E of the body? I'm loving watching this come together.

kwerk
April 10th, 2012, 02:35 AM
Haha, it's Rev-E-modified. :wink:

I was pretty careful about that part at least. :lol:

kwerk
April 10th, 2012, 04:02 AM
kwerk, you're the man!

(edit: I just saw above that JBennett is the man. So, let's say
"you rule".)

And I thought those t-shirts that show a technical plan of a
guitar were cool...

Want to also mention that the tenacity you displayed with the
neck was impressive.

And not only are you to be congratulated, so are the fine people
who encouraged you (way back when) to continue on this build. :lol:

Glenn, sorry, I missed this earlier.

That's a big affirmative on those of you who gave me an appropriate butt kicking. I really do appreciate all the encouragement. Shoulda known this place would never let me down. Even on my darkest days there's always a smile to be had here. You guys and girls all rock.

BTW Glenn, if you could just oversand something or accidentally knock a piece out of your body with a chisel, I'd appreciate it. You're making us all look bad.

:mrgreen:

sjohnbruton
April 10th, 2012, 06:04 AM
...my favourite movie:

Still one of my favourite movies too - will have to find my DVD copy and give it another spin.

On the Princess Bride: If I'm ever asked, and I state that my favourite is the Princess Bride, people who haven't heard of it look at me like I'm defective (why does a 42 year old man enjoy a fairytale movie?). But those that have know what I'm talking about. If I can convince someone to watch it, despite the title, invariably it becomes one of their favourites too!

NB for those who haven't seen it or are sceptical, among other highlights it has the greatest sword fight ever filmed!

One of my all-time favorites, too! True about "those that know." It is definitely one of the best. More jewels for your amusement:

Montoya: "You seem a decent fellow... I hate to kill you."
Man in Black: "You seem a decent fellow... I hate to die."

Vizzini: "Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"!

Westley: "WRONG! Your ears you keep and I'll tell you why. So that every shriek of every child at seeing your hideousness will be yours to cherish. Every babe that weeps at your approach, every woman who cries out, "Dear God! What is that thing," will echo in your perfect ears. That is what to the pain means. It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever."

Great Movie.

emoney
April 10th, 2012, 06:15 AM
I am constantly walking around saying out of the blue, "My name is Inigo Montoya. You
killed my father. Prepare to die"

kwerk
April 10th, 2012, 06:31 AM
I am constantly walking around saying out of the blue, "My name is Inigo Montoya. You
killed my father. Prepare to die"

I know you're not supposed to air your dirty laundry in public, but this is my favourite T-shirt. I probably shouldn't have worn it in the shop. :wink:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8082copy.jpg

Jupiter
April 10th, 2012, 06:31 AM
I thought you might just paint everything white....

:shock: Don't know if I should say "aha!" or "sorry"....

kwerk
April 10th, 2012, 06:33 AM
"Aha!" will be fine. :wink:

jkingma
April 10th, 2012, 06:54 AM
Really neat concept. Looks great.

Westerly Sunn
April 10th, 2012, 07:13 AM
This has got to be the best "V-8" idea of the century... :lol:

RogerC
April 10th, 2012, 08:58 AM
This pains me to say it, but:

Relic time.

I do not that word means what you think it means :lol:


Ok, ok. We need to stop now, or before you know it, kwerk's build thread will be nothing more than us reciting the entire movie :lol:

flatfive
April 10th, 2012, 09:10 AM
BTW Glenn, if you could just oversand something or accidentally knock a piece out of your body with a chisel, I'd appreciate it. You're making us all look bad.


kwerk, seems a good time to share this thought that's been
in my mind for a few weeks.

If you build telecaster replicas, les paul replicas, etc., you're
eventually working yourself into a dead end, where you're
competing against a CNC and other robots that can do
perfectly precise work.

The way out is to eventually focus more on the design and
creative aspects. Your build is to me a great example of
creative thinking -- that's something no guitar factory can do.

BTW, last night I finally got the idea for the song I want to
do for the "proof" part of this challenge. :wink:

kwerk
April 10th, 2012, 09:59 AM
Made a start on the sides.

Started with the jack hole:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8088copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8089copy.jpg

Aaaaannnddd... that's where I stopped. I messed up the endpin graphic, so I moved on to the plain paper lining to the right of the jackhole, but I went off track with that and had to peel it all back. I say peel back, but I mean laboriously soak and scrape. Mod Podge goes off real fast.

I don't have any more coated versions of these graphics, so I'll need to get them printed again tomorrow, and spray them up. I'll likely scrape the jack hole graphic off too, and start this bit over. I'd like to have all the graphics on the body by day's end tomorrow so I can start coating up the body ahead of the edge rout on the weekend. I don't want any paper tearing at the edges when I do this.

Tomorrow I'd like to get a primer coat over the etch primer on the hardware, and finish off the neck.

Night, all!

emoney
April 10th, 2012, 11:10 AM
I know you're not supposed to air your dirty laundry in public, but this is my favourite T-shirt. I probably shouldn't have worn it in the shop. :wink:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8082copy.jpg

I sooooo need this. Can you include it with the guitar when you ship it to me?:mrgreen:

dwdantzler
April 10th, 2012, 11:20 AM
Anybody have any idea what font Inigo's name is in on that shirt?

kwerk
April 10th, 2012, 12:45 PM
Anybody have any idea what font Inigo's name is in on that shirt?

It's called Aquiline Two.

dwdantzler
April 10th, 2012, 01:08 PM
awesome, thanks

adirondak5
April 10th, 2012, 05:54 PM
It's called Aquiline Two.

I thought that was the Fesik font :lol:

Jupiter
April 16th, 2012, 01:12 AM
Better have 'em print 2. ;-)

Ryden
April 16th, 2012, 03:36 AM
I knew you would recover and make a strong comeback from those mishaps!
I wasn't nervous. Maybe I was a little bit "concerned" but that's not the same thing.

kwerk
April 16th, 2012, 05:38 AM
Still here. Some progress made over the weekend but not a lot. Will post some pics shortly.

:neutral:

Scooby Snax
April 16th, 2012, 04:15 PM
Kwerk,

Love the design, glad to come back from holiday, and have you "in it" and with a original design too!!

Ryden
April 17th, 2012, 02:59 AM
You didn't catch it, did you?

PapaLion
April 17th, 2012, 08:55 AM
Ah so, vellle intelesting. Inscrutablecaster.

kwerk
April 18th, 2012, 09:11 AM
So at my last report I was trying to stick the sides on. This proved problematic as the sides are all hand sanded, so they aren't necessarily straight. Following the body curves was giving me troubles trying to get things to stick evenly. In the end, after several attempts, I had the design printed on heavier paper. Though counter to what you'd expect, it was much easier than the lighter weight paper. The only downside is that it has a high quality coating on it which alas picks up every touch of an object.

But so far, I've managed to keep it reasonably clean. It does have a coat of poly over it.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8096copy.jpg

Excuse the shadows, that was me!! :wink:


Currently, I'm still building up the surface using mod podge. I want to have a good binding coating over it before I do the edge rout to give the paper the best chance of holding up against the router. Any bubbles (of which there are a small few that became apparent after coating over the glued paper) will be stuck down before a poly finish.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8099copy.jpg


I've sorted out a pickguard. I made a control plate the same way, but it snapped when I went to drill one of the pot holes. I'll make another this weekend. I'm on a momentary nostalgia trip with this bit :wink:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8111copy.jpg


One job that has had me worried all along has been the addition of ink into the scheme of things. I thought I'd start with the most difficult aspect, so I worked out a way to get a good consistent centreline on the back of the neck.

I arrived at this idea.

Using a "thing" with a long thing attached to it using a screw thing, I then used a marking thing to leave little mark type things on the neck thing, by marking where the long thing attached to the thing thing came in contact with the neck thing (I thingk).

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8118copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8125copy.jpg

This was invaluable as it was difficult to re-find the centreline on the carved neck.


After that I used masking tape to provide a flexible ruler, matching the tape to the marks:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8128copy.jpg

And, pretty good result.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8130copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8132copy.jpg


Now having a centreline, I eyeballed the outer lines for the skunk stripe

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8137copy.jpg


Aaaannnddd... then the camera battery died. I can report that the operation was a partial success, one side went ok but the other will need some remedial scraping following a bit of a bleed. I can't have pressed the tape down hard enough. Should be a reasonably easy fix.

I've been doing some experimenting, with encouraging results:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8104copy.jpg


I also got a final parts shipment today. Same usual dumb things I forget I need til midway thru my builds. :rolleyes:

I'll be looking forward to being all done bar the final finish by the end of this weekend.

:smile:

emoney
April 18th, 2012, 09:19 AM
The effort you're putting into the tiny details is what makes this an epic build. Thanks a
lot for sharing it with us. I'm stunned.

jpbturbo
April 18th, 2012, 09:21 AM
That's looking really good.
I love the clear bits.

nosmo
April 18th, 2012, 09:22 AM
That's really looking good. There won't be any need to post finished pictures - we all have that picture already! :grin:

RogerC
April 18th, 2012, 09:28 AM
^ :lol:

You've done an outstanding job. I think it's a great tribute to the guys who've been critical to getting so many of us started.

kwerk
April 18th, 2012, 09:42 AM
Still needs a little tidying up, but pretty good for the time being.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8140copy.jpg

My first faux skunk stripe! Actually my first skunk stripe at all, as i always use double rods.

It's more of a faux faux skunk stripe. :wink:

nosmo
April 18th, 2012, 09:45 AM
Incredible work!

Suttykins
April 18th, 2012, 09:46 AM
This is too cool, I was wondering how you were going to top last year's build but you've surpassed yourself by far! :shock:

Jupiter
April 18th, 2012, 09:48 AM
There are a lot of interesting and impressive builds this year, but this one in particular fills me with delight. I reckon we'll be talking about this one for a long time to come.

Greg M
April 18th, 2012, 09:49 AM
This is the first I'm seeing of this build. A very cool idea! :cool:

kwerk
April 18th, 2012, 09:52 AM
Thanks for the nice comments guys.

Man, feels like i'm struggling to get out of bed at the moment, let alone building a guitar.

But I'm plodding along.

sjohnbruton
April 18th, 2012, 10:18 AM
Of all the damn solid deseign ideas this year, this is my favorite. And with competition like popcicle sticks, concrete, and alligator skin, that is saying something...

You idea is awesome, your execution is top quality. Carry on, sir!

pulaifaz
April 18th, 2012, 10:29 AM
kwerk - the decoupagecaster is one of the coolest builds IMO - great work!

whodatpat
April 18th, 2012, 12:10 PM
Why roundover? I think the square corners add to thelook of a drawing that has come to life. They would be squared if bound anyhow, so its not really uncharacteristic.

crazydave911
April 18th, 2012, 02:42 PM
Original ideas seem to take it out of you (not that I know much about that :lol:) :wink:. In 1908-1909, the Wright brothers were demonstrating "the first practical aeroplane", Wilbur in France, Orville in Fort Meyer Maryland for the U.S. Army. After the flight trials were begun in America, a young man having witnessed the first day's flights, and having seen the machine up close, wrote the following comments to his father;
"The thing, once seen, seems so obvious, from the planes of wood covered canvas, staples and baling wire and turnbuckles and the carved paddles (propellers), it seems the contrivance of a mechanic, the purpose of each part plain to see". "What does not seem obvious, is how these taciturn brothers from Ohio, thought and conceived of such a wonderful machine and taught themselves to fly it. They are wonderful engineers and some recognition must be made of them. You are friends with the President, cannot this be done?"
Original ideas always seem obvious after the fact, some having long range implications, some not. You have had such an idea, and while it probably won't revolutionize life as we know it, it is with much enjoyment that we share it with you, congrats! :grin:



Dave

sjohnbruton
April 18th, 2012, 02:49 PM
Original ideas seem to take it out of you (not that I know much about that :lol:) :wink:. In 1908-1909, the Wright brothers were demonstrating "the first practical aeroplane", Wilbur in France, Orville in Fort Meyer Maryland for the U.S. Army. After the flight trials were begun in America, a young man having witnessed the first day's flights, and having seen the machine up close, wrote the following comments to his father;
"The thing, once seen, seems so obvious, from the planes of wood covered canvas, staples and baling wire and turnbuckles and the carved paddles (propellers), it seems the contrivance of a mechanic, the purpose of each part plain to see". "What does not seem obvious, is how these taciturn brothers from Ohio, thought and conceived of such a wonderful machine and taught themselves to fly it. They are wonderful engineers and some recognition must be made of them. You are friends with the President, cannot this be done?"
Original ideas always seem obvious after the fact, some having long range implications, some not. You have had such an idea, and while it probably won't revolutionize life as we know it, it is with much enjoyment that we share it with you, congrats! :grin:



Dave

+1

Well said Crazy Dave.

jstream
April 18th, 2012, 03:37 PM
Very well said. This build is brilliant!

sketchanderase
April 18th, 2012, 04:35 PM
Keep up the great work Kwerk! I can't wait to see this one completed, it's so great thus far.

kwerk
April 18th, 2012, 06:20 PM
You didn't catch it, did you?

Not at the time, no. :wink:

The scene early on where Peter Falk chucks Fred Savage on the cheek is one of the funniest parts of the movie. :mrgreen:

Why roundover? I think the square corners add to thelook of a drawing that has come to life. They would be squared if bound anyhow, so its not really uncharacteristic.

It won't be a roundover. It'll be a very small chamfer to expose the black binding underneath and relieve the paper meets paper edges. Without doing this it will just constantly catch and peel back the edges.


Original ideas seem to take it out of you (not that I know much about that :lol:) :wink:. In 1908-1909, the Wright brothers were demonstrating "the first practical aeroplane", Wilbur in France, Orville in Fort Meyer Maryland for the U.S. Army. After the flight trials were begun in America, a young man having witnessed the first day's flights, and having seen the machine up close, wrote the following comments to his father;
"The thing, once seen, seems so obvious, from the planes of wood covered canvas, staples and baling wire and turnbuckles and the carved paddles (propellers), it seems the contrivance of a mechanic, the purpose of each part plain to see". "What does not seem obvious, is how these taciturn brothers from Ohio, thought and conceived of such a wonderful machine and taught themselves to fly it. They are wonderful engineers and some recognition must be made of them. You are friends with the President, cannot this be done?"
Original ideas always seem obvious after the fact, some having long range implications, some not. You have had such an idea, and while it probably won't revolutionize life as we know it, it is with much enjoyment that we share it with you, congrats! :grin:



Dave

Dave, you always manage to say the most wonderful things. Thank you.

It's not the guitar that's sucking the life outta me at the mo, in fact, the guitar is one of the only things I have going on that does the opposite. It's just convincing myself to get going that seems to be the hard bit. :neutral:

Nick JD
April 18th, 2012, 08:32 PM
In 1908-1909, the Wright brothers...

Funny you mention this considering where Richard Pearse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pearse) lived! :mrgreen:

glen smith
April 18th, 2012, 08:58 PM
This is coming out very nicely!

emoney
April 18th, 2012, 09:05 PM
+2 on what CrazyDave said....ya' know, he might not be so crazy after all. I reflect those
sentiments. You know it's a cool build when I search it out in order to share it with my
wife....she that knows, nor cares anything about guitars, lol. You did, however, get her
seal of approval, so you'll always have that for motivation.

crazydave911
April 19th, 2012, 12:26 AM
Funny you mention this considering where Richard Pearse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pearse) lived! :mrgreen:

I was aware :smile:

As it would appear, Richard was aware of this:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6VPSUCCS1a0/TBB2CWXq-KI/AAAAAAAAAB4/x5LsvAilHwE/s800/206309main_image_976_1024-768.jpg

ModerneGuy
April 19th, 2012, 03:32 AM
Well, the things you learn from these learned people on Guitar forums... My neighbour has that surname and is from New Zealand - you can probably work out what I'll be asking him about next time I see him.

I too have a wife who generally isn't that interested in other people's guitar building but I remember she was pretty impressed with your last year's effort - it was probably the repeated "what the f...s" that she could hear emanating from me that drew her to the computer.

Looking great Kwerk. Carry on ...

kwerk
April 19th, 2012, 04:57 AM
Funny you mention this considering where Richard Pearse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pearse) lived! :mrgreen:

An academic has recently (within the last week) concluded that it is highly unlikely Pearse flew before the Wrights. In fact, it was as late as 1909 that the first local newspaper reports came out announcing his experiments. Given the size of the town he lived in, it's unlikely he would have been flying for six years without anyone noticing or reporting it. I think the "before the Wrights" claim that persisted for years was more out of a sense of parochial hope and some spinning of yarns by the locals. :lol:

Well, the things you learn from these learned people on Guitar forums... My neighbour has that surname and is from New Zealand - you can probably work out what I'll be asking him about next time I see him.

I too have a wife who generally isn't that interested in other people's guitar building but I remember she was pretty impressed with your last year's effort - it was probably the repeated "what the f...s" that she could hear emanating from me that drew her to the computer.

Looking great Kwerk. Carry on ...

:lol::lol::lol:

kwerk
April 19th, 2012, 07:44 AM
Came up with this idea, too. I reckon the Wilkinson bridge is a good complement to the homebuilt tele ethos, so it seemed a good fit for this build.

I reproduced the Stewmac diagram with a few changes to allow for the components to take their place and for the measurements to still be visible. Oh, and this way I get to sneak some metric measurements in there too. :wink:

A little more ink on the sharp edges, and Bob's your auntie:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8149copy.jpg

And on the body

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8151copy.jpg

I've inked a screw, spring and saddle up in the same manner and it looks brilliant. :smile: I'll wait until I've got the whole thing done before I post a pic.

BTW, if for any weird or obscure reason, anyone ever needs a vectorised Wilkinson logo, hit me up. :lol:

adirondak5
April 19th, 2012, 07:49 AM
Fantastic job Phil , it looks great ! :smile:

Picton
April 19th, 2012, 08:10 AM
Freakin' mesmerizing. This is the most elegantly simple idea in the competition, IMO. Sort of the opposite of Stijn's, though both look fantastic.

paulmarr
April 19th, 2012, 09:00 AM
very clever!

kwerk
April 19th, 2012, 09:31 AM
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8164copy.jpg

:smile:

nosmo
April 19th, 2012, 10:30 AM
Your attention to detail is astounding!

sjohnbruton
April 19th, 2012, 11:00 AM
Freakin' mesmerizing. This is the most elegantly simple idea in the competition, IMO.

Your attention to detail is astounding!

Dude! You've already won in my book...

Of course you need to finish it. Can't wait to hear it play! What music would go best on a blueprint Tele??

jpbturbo
April 19th, 2012, 11:11 AM
Dude! You've already won in my book...

Of course you need to finish it. Can't wait to hear it play! What music would go best on a blueprint Tele??

TT2KA3LNou0

flatfive
April 19th, 2012, 12:30 PM
Your attention to detail is astounding!

+1. Kwerk, it's fantastic the way that you're
perfecting this mad, creative idea.

adirondak5
April 19th, 2012, 12:36 PM
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8164copy.jpg

:smile:

What !:shock: I am running out of words , incredible !

Davecam48
April 19th, 2012, 05:12 PM
So Phil ...............When you get it finished, if you want to produce another for someone let's say your old mate who lives in Aussie ...............all you have to do is whack it in the photocopier, and churn 'em out ..........right?

nialldabass
April 19th, 2012, 06:50 PM
So Phil ...............When you get it finished, if you want to produce another for someone let's say your old mate who lives in Aussie ...............all you have to do is whack it in the photocopier, and churn 'em out ..........right?

Yeah if you could just post it up zipped we could all download one:lol:

Superb build, fantastic attention to detail

Muzikp
April 19th, 2012, 07:11 PM
I like the Wright brothers reference. Kwerk is very much like them in humbly challenging himself to do this, not seeking great fanfare, and from pallets none the less. Doe's anyone remember the part about Dr. Samuel Langley? One of the times most brilliant engineers, given a huge grant and a team of brilliant minds to achieve flight? They never did achieve flight and Langley's pride got the best of him and couldn't deal with having failed.

So Mr. Kwerkwright - carry on, this is very inspiring to all of us, the build and your humble character. Do you have a brother that could install a tuner or something? That would help us come up with a catchier name for you :mrgreen:.

RogerC
April 19th, 2012, 09:41 PM
There's nothing better than a well thought-out and executed vision. Phil, you are the man

emoney
April 19th, 2012, 09:48 PM
Technically, it's much more neighborly to offer up the guitar to a...ahem...."newer" member.

Let's see.....who might that be? Hey...wait....I'm kinda new. Well, whaddya know?
Let me know where to send the money for shipping.

Allthesound
April 19th, 2012, 09:54 PM
Simply unbelievable!!!! This is one of the coolest ideas i have ever seen! :shock: Very gutsy build man I looove it! :grin:

R. Stratenstein
April 19th, 2012, 10:03 PM
Keeps on getting better and better. Black strings to emulate inked ones???

nblades
April 19th, 2012, 10:40 PM
This. Is. Awesome.

JBennett
April 19th, 2012, 11:09 PM
So... black or white strings?

kwerk
April 20th, 2012, 03:17 AM
Haha, unfortunately the strings are gonna have to match the frets, though if I thought I could get away with painting both, I would!

kwerk
April 20th, 2012, 03:39 AM
So Phil ...............When you get it finished, if you want to produce another for someone let's say your old mate who lives in Aussie ...............all you have to do is whack it in the photocopier, and churn 'em out ..........right?

I promise I'll put it on the photocopier and send you the result. :wink:

Davecam48
April 20th, 2012, 05:35 AM
Thanks Phil !!! You know, most of that stuff OTHER people say about you can't be true, and I didn't believe it for a minute.

The thing with the sheep and the midget is though.

kwerk
April 20th, 2012, 08:58 AM
I told you, Dave, keep Baarbara and Little Butch out of it.

kwerk
April 20th, 2012, 09:41 AM
Anyways, I'm a little late, but farewell to a personal favourite. Had his weight lifted at last.
RIP.

This played in my head over and over at work all day today.

eOi0tC00Luc

:sad:

GunsOfBrixton
April 20th, 2012, 02:55 PM
Anyways, I'm a little late, but farewell to a personal favourite. Had his weight lifted at last.
RIP.

This played in my head over and over at work all day today.

eOi0tC00Luc

:sad:

Same here. :(

Davecam48
April 20th, 2012, 05:33 PM
RIP Levon

kwerk
April 22nd, 2012, 06:47 AM
I had coated the body in mod podge ahead of chamfering the edge. This provided mixed results as you'll see shortly.


Laid down masking tape to keep the surface clean ahead of the chamfer.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8167copy.jpg


Set the height, after some testing. I had to make some small adjustments to allow for the slight increase in height from the masking tape.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8168copy.jpg


And the result:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8170copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8171copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8172copy-1.jpg

If you look closely at the image above, you'll see that the masking tape completely removed the mod podge where it lay. If I bump up the contrast a little you can see what I mean:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8172copy.jpg

This worried me a little, I knew I'd need to remove the remaining mod podge. The masking tape had done such a thorough job, I decided to use it to remove the remaining finish. Half a roll later I had a clean top again.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8181copy.jpg

Curiously, there was no lifting whatsoever on the other side. I've decided to just finish directly over the top of it. It's the back, so if it all turns to custard I can redo it without too many hassles. The front will effectively just be more acrylic matt clear on top of the existing coats.

After that I drilled the output socket:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8175copy.jpg


Satisfied with that, I cut a new control plate and then did a little more inking.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8178copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8180copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8179copy.jpg


Also sprayed up a bunch more parts:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8195copy.jpg


Then decided it was time for a dry run.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8186copy.jpg

I'd inked one of the knobs, but it went pretty badly. I'm going to respray it and then roll both of them on an inked pad. Hopefully that will do the trick. I need to redo the switch knob too, but in the meantime, I was happy to see the thing mocked up enough to give me a good idea of the overall look..

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8187copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8188copy.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8192copy.jpg


So now i just need to finish the neck, including a nut and some more inking on both it and the body, then I can get to finishing. I'll be using a matt acrylic clear. It should still dry quickly in this oncoming cold weather.


Here's a portrait with my other current build. I'm giving it to my brother for Christmas.

Last Christmas. :oops:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8194copy-1.jpg

:rolleyes:

EDIT: Sinead, if you are reading this from facebook, please don't show your Dad!! :wink:

Jupiter
April 22nd, 2012, 07:33 AM
Thing a bewdy.

Davecam48
April 22nd, 2012, 07:52 AM
Standing next to Gandalph I think we should rename the tele the Caspercaster?

DeepSouth
April 22nd, 2012, 08:27 AM
Completely awesome Kwerk. I dips me lid to you guv - you are so clever!

adirondak5
April 22nd, 2012, 08:50 AM
I said it before , I'l say it again , Fantastic :smile:

nosmo
April 22nd, 2012, 09:08 AM
That is really cool - the other guitar is a work of art too! Great stuff.

esetter
April 22nd, 2012, 09:31 AM
That's both really weird and really cool!!

tehcnalp
April 22nd, 2012, 09:40 AM
Great build Kwerk!

jkingma
April 22nd, 2012, 09:50 AM
This build has just blown me away Phil.

kwerk
April 22nd, 2012, 09:57 AM
Decided seeing as I had the mod podge off the top I could go back and do something I'd wished I'd done before I'd put it on. I'll be spraying over this.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8197copy.jpg

Do ya see it?

:wink::mrgreen:

LeroyBlues
April 22nd, 2012, 09:57 AM
very nice

kwerk
April 22nd, 2012, 10:07 AM
Thing a bewdy.

Standing next to Gandalph I think we should rename the tele the Caspercaster?

Completely awesome Kwerk. I dips me lid to you guv - you are so clever!

I said it before , I'l say it again , Fantastic :smile:

That is really cool - the other guitar is a work of art too! Great stuff.

That's both really weird and really cool!!

Great build Kwerk!

This build has just blown me away Phil.


Thank you all. It really does feel like the home stretch.

Us Kiwis and Aussies have ANZAC Day on Wednesday (our Remembrance Day), so I'll be able to get a little midweek work done too. This time I'm looking forward to it!!

sketchanderase
April 22nd, 2012, 11:35 AM
My oh my the attention to detail is astounding, inking the pots! Amazing! She's a beaut! What will you name her? Plan-elope? :grin:

JBennett
April 22nd, 2012, 12:35 PM
You keep going farther and farther than I think you will with this. It's turning out great. This seems like the kind of guitar that will stand up along with the clear, acrylic bodied telecasters as an interesting sales tool. Kind of like a telecaster version of those old encyclopedias with the layers of acetate printed with different levels of erosion, or the human body. Very cool.

crazydave911
April 22nd, 2012, 12:54 PM
That is the bomb :grin:. You and Dave do such original work, it's quite an inspiration, I change a shape, a diminsion or a material and think I've done something, until I see something like this :wink:


Superb!

macaroonie
April 22nd, 2012, 01:40 PM
Well if I had anything to do with FMIC I would be on the horn to Mike Eldred and finding some budget to buy that thing off you there Phil. What a piece for their museum. !!

Picton
April 22nd, 2012, 02:09 PM
Sheesh... inked pots? And I thought Preeb's builds were thorough...

Beautiful work.

czook
April 22nd, 2012, 03:10 PM
I love watching your creativity. I started watching on last years build and was amazed and could not imagine how you could even compete against yourself after last years build !

Now I know the truth, you have help from a sheep and a midget. :)

I really appreciate the sharing that comes from your expert builds. It's been fun watching your process and progress in designing and thinking this out as you go. Great build, again !!!

guitarbuilder
April 22nd, 2012, 03:32 PM
That is so excellent.... I thought I was looking at a paper/ posterboard 3D guitar for a while.

glen smith
April 22nd, 2012, 04:30 PM
Really outstanding work!

RogerC
April 22nd, 2012, 05:49 PM
Brilliant, Phil. Absolutely, positively brilliant!

kwerk
April 22nd, 2012, 06:38 PM
You keep going farther and farther than I think you will with this. It's turning out great. This seems like the kind of guitar that will stand up along with the clear, acrylic bodied telecasters as an interesting sales tool. Kind of like a telecaster version of those old encyclopedias with the layers of acetate printed with different levels of erosion, or the human body. Very cool.

I used to LOVE those things! I see Encyclopaedia Brittannica has recently stopped printing after about 250 years. :neutral:

That is so excellent.... I thought I was looking at a paper/ posterboard 3D guitar for a while.

I keep looking at it and thinking the same thing. It looks like it's made of card, which bothers me a little, til I remember when I think about it, that is kinda the idea. :wink:

Brilliant, Phil. Absolutely, positively brilliant!

The city I'm living in has that very thing as it's advertising slogan - Absolutely Positively Wellington! (it pains me to say that, I'm from Christchurch and I'm loathe to buy in to it :mrgreen:)

BR06623
April 22nd, 2012, 06:49 PM
Very, very cool Phil. I have to admit that you have captured the essence of a tele here! :wink:

nosmo
April 22nd, 2012, 10:29 PM
I sure am glad you didn't drop out early on in the competition. I had faith in you.

Decided seeing as I had the mod podge off the top I could go back and do something I'd wished I'd done before I'd put it on. I'll be spraying over this.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/kamerawerk/2012%20Challenge/DSC_8197copy.jpg

Do ya see it?

:wink::mrgreen:

OK - I'll play. Is it the hand written notes on the template?