Jackie Blue- what effect?

I've always loved this song, but have never quite been able to get the tone they have on the slide parts. Is there some kind of effect being used to get that thick sustain?

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Is that a Leslie speaker at a really low speed? just a guess- that plus guitar+fuzz/dist?

Or phaser set slow, which is what I've always thought - ?
'Slide' is a pretty personal thing. You can do so much timbrally with your attack.

I think there's just a bit of reverb, all the rest of it is from the hands.

I believe that center lead had flanger on it too.

Wow, never thought I'd see the bravery required to make any sort of query about this particular song! :shock:

Secretly, I dig it too, but it's strictly a guilty pleasure! :lol:

(I shall now disavow any knowledge of having ever made this post.)

Wow, never thought I'd see the bravery required to make any sort of query about this particular song! :shock:

Secretly, I dig it too, but it's strictly a guilty pleasure! :lol:

(I shall now disavow any knowledge of having ever made this post.)

i have no idea what you are talking about

(hiding Sarah McLachlan cd's under sofa cushions)

I always thought it was multiple tracks... which caused some interesting minor delay, phasing and flanging stuff that as the tracks stacked it got more interesting...

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like a lot of slide parts... it is pretty simple... the amazing part is when compression, drive and that other studio stacking stuff starts happening...

kind of fun to watch him play it live...

Thanks for digging that up, GB. I'd kinda forgotten that song from my teenage years.

That video pretty much confirmed what I thought I was hearing: A slide played through a relatively clean amp with a fair amount of reverb during the solo and slight amp trem throughout (for the lead guitarist; there's also a wah on the rhythm guitar). There really isn't much sustain on the lead guitar, so the guitarist picks the notes as they start to fade. Overall, a nice sound and effect, but not really all that hard to cop. I had an old Gibson Falcon amp that sounded exactly like that.

Point being: In this case, it's not the effects so much as the amp.

Wow, never thought I'd see the bravery required to make any sort of query about this particular song! :shock:

Secretly, I dig it too, but it's strictly a guilty pleasure! :lol:

(I shall now disavow any knowledge of having ever made this post.)

I didn't say I wanted to _sing_ it. :lol:

That video pretty much confirmed what I thought I was hearing: A slide played through a relatively clean amp with a fair amount of reverb during the solo and slight amp trem throughout (for the lead guitarist; there's also a wah on the rhythm guitar). There really isn't much sustain on the lead guitar, so the guitarist picks the notes as they start to fade. Overall, a nice sound and effect, but not really all that hard to cop. I had an old Gibson Falcon amp that sounded exactly like that.

Point being: In this case, it's not the effects so much as the amp.

Interesting that we both saw the same video and come away with slightly different emphasis. I don't disagree with what you wrote, but compare the video to the studio version and the value of the studio really shows and the amazing stuff guys used to do sonically to get signature tones.

I like the live part (don't get me wrong) but the whole performance is self conscious and studied and, for me, relies heavily on the memory of the listener to recall the sonic goodness of the studio version and then the silent comparison (as if to say) Ah ha! yes, he is playing that very close to the studio version!

But, the live version is thin and loses the 'wow' factor of the studio version where the guitar 'sounds like something else'...

Copping the studio sound will be kind of difficult (for me the difference between the early boston stuff and using a rockman, some guys will say 'oh yeah, that is THE sound' and I will kind of frown and say, it sounds LIKE the sound because that sound is the multilayers sitting in the track...

The Jackie Blue Studio part is rich and textured and the magic you get from multitracks.. which, I agree, is the result of amp and guitar (i figured it would be an SG style guitar) but the radio version is that wonderful tape, track on track stacking that was gotten from painstaking playing and engineering on those old boards...

the same way you build the solo in Ronstadt's "when will I be loved" or Les Dudek's "City Magic"

Thanks for digging that up, GB. I'd kinda forgotten that song from my teenage years.

slight derail:

I liked the song just fine back in the day- it was the Ozark's "big hit!" but if anyone got one of their albums, it sounded nothing like their usual fare- kind of like say "Ramblin' Man" with the Allman's (a wonderful song, but sounding like nothing else on Brothers and Sisters) or my fave in this same manner: The Fabulous Thunderbirds with "Tough Enough" !

slight derail:

I liked the song just fine back in the day- it was the Ozark's "big hit!" but if anyone got one of their albums, it sounded nothing like their usual fare- kind of like say "Ramblin' Man" with the Allman's (a wonderful song, but sounding like nothing else on Brothers and Sisters) or my fave in this same manner: The Fabulous Thunderbirds with "Tough Enough" !

true... but, Ramblin Man was in the spirit of, say, Blue Sky...

I always loved the Dickie Betts country side of things....

true... but, Ramblin Man was in the spirit of, say, Blue Sky...

I always loved the Dickie Betts country side of things....

OH me too! And agreed about Blue Sky- I even have Dickey's "Highway Call" which has some phenomenal playing from Dickie and all- but I just remember buying Brothers and Sisters as a kid, and noticed how different the Dickey songs were from Gregg's blue songs- all wonderful for sure- opened my eyes to my two favorite guitarists! :wink:

slight derail:

I liked the song just fine back in the day- it was the Ozark's "big hit!" but if anyone got one of their albums, it sounded nothing like their usual fare- kind of like say "Ramblin' Man" with the Allman's (a wonderful song, but sounding like nothing else on Brothers and Sisters) or my fave in this same manner: The Fabulous Thunderbirds with "Tough Enough" !

When I was 14 or 15 a buddy of mine was really into the Ozark's, especially the album with the old car jumping into the lake, so I listened to quite a bit of their stuff. But, it was years later I realized Jackie Blue was one of theirs.

Interesting that we both saw the same video and come away with slightly different emphasis. I don't disagree with what you wrote, but compare the video to the studio version and the value of the studio really shows and the amazing stuff guys used to do sonically to get signature tones.

I like the live part (don't get me wrong) but the whole performance is self conscious and studied and, for me, relies heavily on the memory of the listener to recall the sonic goodness of the studio version and then the silent comparison (as if to say) Ah ha! yes, he is playing that very close to the studio version!

But, the live version is thin and loses the 'wow' factor of the studio version where the guitar 'sounds like something else'...

Copping the studio sound will be kind of difficult (for me the difference between the early boston stuff and using a rockman, some guys will say 'oh yeah, that is THE sound' and I will kind of frown and say, it sounds LIKE the sound because that sound is the multilayers sitting in the track...

The Jackie Blue Studio part is rich and textured and the magic you get from multitracks.. which, I agree, is the result of amp and guitar (i figured it would be an SG style guitar) but the radio version is that wonderful tape, track on track stacking that was gotten from painstaking playing and engineering on those old boards...

the same way you build the solo in Ronstadt's "when will I be loved" or Les Dudek's "City Magic"

Yeah, the live version almost sounds like a cover band doing the song. And I think you're right about the multi-tracking now that I listen closer. At first I thought there was some kind of delay or early chorus effect going on because some of the lead almost sounds as if it had been slowed down to match pitch, but layering could create the same lushness.

At first I thought there was some kind of delay or early chorus effect going on because some of the lead almost sounds as if it had been slowed down to match pitch, but layering could create the same lushness.

Wholeheartedly agree.

Yeah, the live version almost sounds like a cover band doing the song. And I think you're right about the multi-tracking now that I listen closer. At first I thought there was some kind of delay or early chorus effect going on because some of the lead almost sounds as if it had been slowed down to match pitch, but layering could create the same lushness.

in the old days, you'd drag your finger on the tape when you stacked... you got phasing and flanging (I kind of think that was how all that stuff was born)

you recorded 'without' delay, because as you added tracks, it created the slight delays.. if they were there at the beginning it actually made it 'thinner' and more brittle...